Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

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    Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

    With the economy stuck in the doldrums, the unemployment rate mired in the mid 7% range and the U-6 rate, which measures those out of work along with those who have given up or who are working part time in lieu of full time work, lounging in the 14% range one has to wonder why there is no popular outcry to throw the bums out.

    The answer would seem to be that many are discovering not working is more lucrative than their options in the workforce.

    In a study released by Cato Institute today titled The Work versus Welfare Tradeoff: 2013, researchers Michael D. Tanner and Charles Hughes show that in every state in the nation the cash and benefits package available under various welfare programs exceeds what a person would earn at a minimum wage job. The lowest benefit is available in Mississippi ($16,984) as compared to $15,080 working at the federal minimum wage. The fact that many welfare benefits are tax free, the value is much greater than a similar amount earned in a private sector job.

    In the Empire State, a family receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, public housing, utility assistance and free commodities (like milk and cheese) would have a package of benefits worth $38,004, the seventh-highest in the nation.

    While that might not sound overly generous, remember that welfare benefits aren’t taxed, while wages are. So someone in New York would have to earn more than $21 per hour to be better off than they would be on welfare.That’s more than the average statewide entry-level salary for a teacher.

    Plus, going to work means added costs such as paying for child care, transportation and clothing. Not to mention that, even if it’s not a money-loser, a person moving from welfare to work will see some form of loss — namely, less time for leisure as opposed to work.

    Is it any wonder, then, that, despite the work requirements included in the 1996 welfare reform, only 27.6 percent of adult welfare recipients in New York are working in unsubsidized jobs?(Another 13 percent are involved in the more broadly defined “work participation,” which includes job search, training and other things.)

    Indeed, the top paying jurisdiction is Hawaii where a mother (note, not mother and father) of two can receive northwards of $60,000 per year.

    Poor people are not stupid. When given the choice of working at a minimum wage job and not working and receiving at least the same quality of life… probably better as your leisure time goes way up… there is small wonder at the seeming contradiction between the intractable unemployment rate and the availability of jobs.

    When combined with up to 99 weeks of unemployment and the generous availability of disability payments the political question of how Obama has avoided accountability for the most atrocious economic strategy since Jimmy Carter is answered. The people out of work may be fairly content with their status.

    In the words of Walt Kelly, creator of the iconic Pogo comic series, we have met the enemy and he is us.

     
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    Re: Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    And yet, the problem is with welfare. Not with the fact that businesses are allowed to pay a non-living wage under the delusion that somehow, if we just maximize the amount of income top executives make, they will give everyone jobs despite a complete lack of demand.

    Face it. Trickle-down doesn't work. It's a lie.

     

     

    Go after welfare fraud hard, and raise the minimum wage a few bucks. Businesses will grumble but there won't be any catastrophe. At most your 99 cent menu fake hamburger will become a $1.09 fake hamburger, and no one who buys such hamburgers will stop doing so.

     

     

    I'd be for that - go after fraud hard and raise the minimum wage. 

    I haven't had a $1 burger lately but I am sure it is no different now.  I noticed that when I got a burger at McDonalds I'd get a bunch of mystery stuff caught in my teeth. But when I made a burger myself, I never had such an experience. They make those burgers from things you probably do not want to know about if you eat them.

    I disagree on the living wage BS. People have to prove their value, not be given it. There is too much given these days from wallets of productive taxpayers. Punishing productivity and rewarding unproductive people is not good for the society. It applies equally to the corporate cronies as it does to welfare cheats and layabouts. 

     
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    Re: Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

     

    I disagree on the living wage BS. People have to prove their value, not be given it. There is too much given these days from wallets of productive taxpayers. Punishing productivity and rewarding unproductive people is not good for the society. It applies equally to the corporate cronies as it does to welfare cheats and layabouts. 

     




     

    I just want to be clear: The "living wage" I am advocating would simply be the same amount as the minimum wage was in real dollar terms in the 60s, when business was doing great.

    I'm not saying giving people 20 bucks an hour to flip burgers.

     



    How much then?

     
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    Re: Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    I disagree on the living wage BS. People have to prove their value, not be given it. There is too much given these days from wallets of productive taxpayers. Punishing productivity and rewarding unproductive people is not good for the society. It applies equally to the corporate cronies as it does to welfare cheats and layabouts. 



    Whether the employee is making $8/hr or $20/hr, the "productive taxpayer" can fire unproductive people and replace them, usually at will. 

    And who do you consider a "productive taxpayer".....Anyone with a business?  Even if that business pushes people onto the safety-net?

     

     
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    Re: Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    And yet, the problem is with welfare. Not with the fact that businesses are allowed to pay a non-living wage under the delusion that somehow, if we just maximize the amount of income top executives make, they will give everyone jobs despite a complete lack of demand.

    Face it. Trickle-down doesn't work. It's a lie.

     

     

    Go after welfare fraud hard, and raise the minimum wage a few bucks. Businesses will grumble but there won't be any catastrophe. At most your 99 cent menu fake hamburger will become a $1.09 fake hamburger, and no one who buys such hamburgers will stop doing so.

     

     



    The safety net has become a hammock.

    If raising minimum wage is what it takes to kick people out of the hammock, I'll give it a whirl.

    I'm left with the notion that politicians are keen on illegal imigration to solve our low-end labor iussues because it is simply not politically feasible to get the lardbutts off of welfare.

     
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    Re: Obama’s Work to Welfare Program

    In response to UserName99's comment:

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

     

    I disagree on the living wage BS. People have to prove their value, not be given it. There is too much given these days from wallets of productive taxpayers. Punishing productivity and rewarding unproductive people is not good for the society. It applies equally to the corporate cronies as it does to welfare cheats and layabouts. 

     



    Whether the employee is making $8/hr or $20/hr, the "productive taxpayer" can fire unproductive people and replace them, usually at will. 

     

    And who do you consider a "productive taxpayer".....Anyone with a business?  Even if that business pushes people onto the safety-net?

     



    What's the problem with this?

    are business owners obligated to hire and fire based on your silly perception of how things work?

     
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