Panetta said "Obama was absent during beghazi and never even checked in" WOW

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    Re: Panetta said

    I know as much as I need to at this point.


    Spoken like the true little apparatchik that you are.

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    Can you blow any harder? 

    Honestly....these conservatives... 

     

     

    Yea no reason for the CIC to care when our people are being attacked and killed for 12 hours!!

    You act like a fool who puts party over whats right and wrong for the country!!

     




     

     

    Stock response.



    And, the right response.

     

    this, again, is why the left cannot be trusted with our security. They simply don't care.

     

    "what difference does it make?"

     
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    Re: Panetta said

     

    Why would the wingnuts want "the worst PotUS in history" involved in the planning and execution of the actions to aid our embassy staff?

     

     

    Because it's his job. It's what we're paying him to do. You do know what a job is, don't you?

     
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    So, Obama is told at the beginning "the American Consulate in Beghazi is under attack" he says "ok", and gives no direction nor does he appear to care enough to even ask for updates. the attack continues for 12 hours and 4 Americans are murdered.

    The left say's "there's nothing wrong with that" and "you conservatives are just trying to make something out of nothing"!

    geez, this is the low of lows for protecting the brand!!

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    So, Obama is told at the beginning "the American Consulate in Beghazi is under attack" he says "ok", and gives no direction nor does he appear to care enough to even ask for updates. the attack continues for 12 hours and 4 Americans are murdered.

    The left say's "there's nothing wrong with that" and "you conservatives are just trying to make something out of nothing"!

    geez, this is the low of lows for protecting the brand!!



    Your characterization doe not match up with the facts. 

    The attack commenced at 9:42 P.M.. At 10:32 Panetta was notifed. Obama was notified at 11:00 P.M.. 11:30 P.M. personnel were evacuated, Stevens was already dead.  A security team was dispatched at 1:30 A.M. and a second attack killed two of them at 5:15 A.M.  European based assets get there after the fighting and evacuation.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

    So Obama learned of the event after the ambasador was killed and defensive actions were initiated thereafter.  So how is he to blame for the event?  What more could have been done?

    Sure seems like right wingers are just looking to score political points over an unfortunate tragedy...

     

     

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    Your characterization doe not match up with the facts. 

    The attack commenced at 9:42 P.M.. At 10:32 Panetta was notifed. Obama was notified at 11:00 P.M.. 11:30 P.M. personnel were evacuated, Stevens was already dead.  A security team was dispatched at 1:30 A.M. and a second attack killed two of them at 5:15 A.M.  European based assets get there after the fighting and evacuation.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

    So Obama learned of the event after the ambasador was killed and defensive actions were initiated thereafter.  So how is he to blame for the event?  What more could have been done?

    Sure seems like right wingers are just looking to score political points over an unfortunate tragedy... 

     



    So, you have no problem with the POTUS being told our consulate is under attack but, he doest engage or even ask for updates?

    When he was notified at 11 they didnt know Stevens was dead. There is a second wave attack; but, he doesnt even get informed of it.

    There is reason for alarm in the POTUS's response and characterists of what happened the next day because he wasnt engaged.

    That is a problem. Every leader knows those that follow you will only exhibit the amount of urgency and intitiative shown by the leader!!

    If my leader is unconcerned and apathetic why should I be any dfferent?

     

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    Your characterization doe not match up with the facts. 

    The attack commenced at 9:42 P.M.. At 10:32 Panetta was notifed. Obama was notified at 11:00 P.M.. 11:30 P.M. personnel were evacuated, Stevens was already dead.  A security team was dispatched at 1:30 A.M. and a second attack killed two of them at 5:15 A.M.  European based assets get there after the fighting and evacuation.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

    So Obama learned of the event after the ambasador was killed and defensive actions were initiated thereafter.  So how is he to blame for the event?  What more could have been done?

    Sure seems like right wingers are just looking to score political points over an unfortunate tragedy... 

     

     



    So, you have no problem with the POTUS being told our consulate is under attack but, he doest engage or even ask for updates?

     

    When he was notified at 11 they didnt know Stevens was dead. There is a second wave attack; but, he doesnt even get informed of it.

    There is reason for alarm in the POTUS's response and characterists of what happened the next day because he wasnt engaged.

    That is a problem. Every leader knows those that follow you will only exhibit the amount of urgency and intitiative shown by the leader!!

    If my leader is unconcerned and apathetic why should I be any dfferent?

     




    What could have been done differently? That's the problem with your line of attack: complaints for no real purpose.  You hate Obama, but you should have some fact to hate him for.  The situation was addressed as best as possible with the assets available.  And yet you still complain.  It's just the politics of hate...  You are quite trasparent. 

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    What could have been done differently? That's the problem with your line of attack: complaints for no real purpose.  You hate Obama, but you should have some fact to hate him for.  The situation was addressed as best as possible with the assets available.  And yet you still complain.  It's just the politics of hate...  You are quite trasparent. 




    That's where you are wrong. I like Obama, I just disagree with his politics and I set a high bar for leadership that IMHO he has not met.

    When Americans diplomats are attacked by armed groups overseas; I expect him to be engaged and aware of every aspect of it during the event and until it is completed!

    Why is that asking too much of the Commander in Chief??

     
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    Re: Panetta said

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/02/07/Dereliction-of-Duty-Obama-Did-Nothing-to-Save-American-Lives-in-Benghazi--and-Lied-About-It

    Under direct questioning by Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), Panetta admitted that he had no communication with President Obama after their “pre-scheduled” meeting at 5:00 p.m. EDT. The attack on the consulate had already been under way for 90 minutes at that time. Neither the president nor anyone else from the White House called afterwards to check what was happening; the Commander-in-Chief had left it “up to us,” said Panetta.

    Panetta’s testimony directly contradicts President Obama’s own claim to have issued “three directives” as soon as he learned “what was going on” in Benghazi. As he told a Denver reporter in October:

    I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure we are securing our personnel and that we are doing whatever we need to. Number two, we are going to investigate exactly what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. Number three, find out who did this so we can bring them to justice.

    That same claim was subsequently repeated by other Democrats, including Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, who came to the president’s defense. But if those directives were indeed given--and proof has never been produced--they were given long after the attack, not while the attack was going on, during which time the president did nothing.

    Panetta and Dempsey also admitted, under questioning by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), that they were not in touch with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during the attacks, and did not receive a request for help from the State Department. Dempsey also testified that he had been “surprised” at Clinton’s testimony last month that she did not know of an urgent cable from Ambassador Stevens last August about the dire security situation.

    To borrow a metaphor from the 2008 Democratic primary campaign: when the 3 a.m. call came (at 5 p.m. in the afternoon), neither Clinton nor Obama were there to respond.

    Panetta was also forced to admit, in the face of vigorous questioning by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), that no military action at all had been taken to intervene in Benghazi after the attack had begun, promising only that a similar lapse would not happen again.

    Later, on Thursday afternoon, during Deputy National Security Adviser John Brennan’s confirmation hearing to lead the Central Intelligence Agency, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) demanded to know why the administration failed to interview a suspect in the attack.

    Brennan’s response was merely that the Tunisian authorities who had arrested him “did not have a basis in their law” for allowing the U.S. to question him about the attack.

    In sum: President Obama did nothing to save Americans under attack from terrorists. His Secretary of Defense did nothing. His Secretary of State did nothing. The Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff did nothing. His Deputy National Security Adviser defended doing “nothing” to help bring the perpetrators to justice. And the entire administration participated in an effort to cover up the truth. Because there was an election to be won.

     
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    Re: Panetta said

    You're wrong, it's not PotUS's job to micromanage every aspect of every situation that arises.

     

    Oh for the love of...


    It's his JOB to make the BIG DECISIONS. This was a BIG DECISION and, like the Clinton ad suggested would happen during the Democrat primaries, Obama was MISSING. He FAILED. He is an ABSENT PRESIDENT. We would be better off with HONEY BOO BOO as president (as long as it wasn't past her bedtime.) Nevermind! We would be JUST AS WELL OFF with HONEY BOO BOO as president because apparently he has the SAME BEDTIME as HONEY BOO BOO!

     

     

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    Why would the wingnuts want "the worst PotUS in history" involved in the planning and execution of the actions to aid our embassy staff?

     

     

    Because it's his job. It's what we're paying him to do. You do know what a job is, don't you?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    You're wrong, it's not PotUS's job to micromanage every aspect of every situation that arises.

    It's his job to ensure that the people whom he has chosen for certain positions have the resources to perform their jobs to the best of their ability. That's what true leaders do; they delegate specific roles to the appropriate individuals. They are responsible for the outcome, not the execution.

    Not only is your premise a ridiculous argument it's completely irrational. I guess he should be telling the field commanders in Afghanistan how to conduct each and every military operation. Or how the FBI should investigate murders. Or how the CIA should go about collecting intel.




    Yu are SOOO right.  Why interupt Obama's singing and dancing on the stage with Jay-Z WHEN HIS VERY OWN APPOINTED AMBASSADOR IS BEING KILLED AND DRAGGED THROUGH THE STREETS OF BENGAZI?????

     

    Jeepers airhead, give it a rest.

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    You're wrong, it's not PotUS's job to micromanage every aspect of every situation that arises.

     

     

    Oh for the love of...


    It's his JOB to make the BIG DECISIONS. This was a BIG DECISION and, like the Clinton ad suggested would happen during the Democrat primaries, Obama was MISSING. He FAILED. He is an ABSENT PRESIDENT. We would be better off with HONEY BOO BOO as president (as long as it wasn't past her bedtime.) Nevermind! We would be JUST AS WELL OFF with HONEY BOO BOO as president because apparently he has the SAME BEDTIME as HONEY BOO BOO!

     

     

     




     

    Hey barbie, which part of leadership are you unable to comprehend?

    Is it the "delegating" and "giving the resources part", as in;

    It's his job to ensure that the people whom he has chosen for certain positions have the resources to perform their jobs to the best of their ability. That's what true leaders do; they delegate specific roles to the appropriate individuals.

     

    Or is it the "responsibility" part, as in;

    They are responsible for the outcome, not the execution.

     


    Could it be that you really don't give a ratsass about the people who died and are only trying to politicize a tragedy?

    Funny how you wingnuts would want "the worst PotUS in history" to be mucking up what is best left to those people with intimate knowledge of their respective offices.

     

    I bet you don't get your car repaired unless the CEO himself is under the hood.

     

    Freakin ridiculous.



    Right. An ambassador is surrounded by hostile troops in a house, and Obama DELEGATES what, exactly?  What did he delegate?

    Obama was MIA on the issue, irregardless of outcome.  We cannot afford leadership that is that weak.

    Maybe Obama needed to immediately consult with Jay-Z and Beyonce to see if they had any contacts in Libya.

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    You're wrong, it's not PotUS's job to micromanage every aspect of every situation that arises.

     

     

    Oh for the love of...


    It's his JOB to make the BIG DECISIONS. This was a BIG DECISION and, like the Clinton ad suggested would happen during the Democrat primaries, Obama was MISSING. He FAILED. He is an ABSENT PRESIDENT. We would be better off with HONEY BOO BOO as president (as long as it wasn't past her bedtime.) Nevermind! We would be JUST AS WELL OFF with HONEY BOO BOO as president because apparently he has the SAME BEDTIME as HONEY BOO BOO!

     

     



    <<...laughing AT you, not WITH you...>>

    Some on the right need their rags changed....

     

     

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    the attack ended before they could get off the ground.



    It bears repeating.

     



    Not true.  the consulate was under seige for how many hours?  There were drones over the consulate when?

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    the attack ended before they could get off the ground.



    It bears repeating.

     

     




    And again.

     



    And, again, you are wrong.  Unless you think 12 hours is "over before it began".

    You can say it wasn't worthy of our support, you can say the chain of command blew it.  But, you cannot say Obama didn't have time to react. He did.  12 hours worht of react time.  instead, he went to a fundraiser with JAy Z.

    Now, I ask you.  Is that presidential?

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    the attack ended before they could get off the ground.



    It bears repeating.

     

     




    And again.

     



    Here's the timeline that puts and end to your horrible lie.

    9:42 p.m. -- Armed men begin their assault on the U.S. Consulate.

    9:59 p.m. -- A surveillance drone is directed to fly over the U.S. compound, but it is unarmed.

    10:32 p.m. -- The Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. "The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey."

    11 p.m. -- Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey meet with President Obama at the White House where they discuss the unfolding situation and how to respond. The meeting had been previously scheduled.

    11:10 p.m. -- The surveillance drone arrives over the Benghazi facility.

    11:30 p.m. -- All surviving U.S. personnel are evacuated from the consulate. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and State Department computer expert Sean Smith were killed in the initial assault.

    September 12

    Midnight to 2 a.m. -- Panetta and other senior leaders discuss possible options for further violence if it were to break out. Panetta gives verbal orders for Marine anti-terrorist teams from Rota, Spain, to prepare to deploy to Tripoli and Benghazi. Panetta also orders a special operations force team training in Croatia and an additional special operations force team in the United States to prepare to deploy to a staging base in southern Italy.

    1:30 a.m. -- A six-man security team from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrives in Benghazi.

    2:39 a.m. to 2:53 a.m. -- The National Military Command Center gives formal authorization for the deployment of the two special operations force teams from Croatia and the United States.

    5:15 a.m. -- Attackers launch assault on a second U.S. facility in Benghazi. Two former U.S. Navy SEALs acting as security contractors are killed. They are identified as Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

    6:05 a.m. -- A C-17 aircraft in Germany is told to prepare to deploy to Libya to evacuate the consulate personnel.

    7:40 a.m. -- The first wave of Americans are evacuated to Tripoli via airplane.

    10 a.m. -- A second group, including those killed in the attack, are flown to Tripoli.

    2:15 p.m. -- The C-17 departs from Germany for the flight to Tripoli.

    7:17 p.m. -- The C-17 leaves Tripoli with the American consulate personnel and the bodies of Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty.

    7:57 p.m. -- The U.S. special operations force team based in Croatia arrives at a staging base in Italy.

    8:56 p.m. -- One of the Marine anti-terrorist teams from Spain arrives in Tripoli.

    9:28 p.m. -- The U.S.-based special operations force team arrives at its staging base in Italy.

     
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    Re: Panetta said

    The initial assault started at 9:42.  The Drone was launched at 9:59.  The Ambassador and staff member were killed in the initial assault.  Initial assault is over by 11:30.

    Reinforcements arrive from the Embassy at 1:30.

    A second attack starts at 5:15 AM.  2 1/2 hours later, a plane leaves benghazi with survivors, meaning the second attacl lasted less than 2.5 hours.

    What should have been done differently? 

    Nothing prevents the Ambassador and staff member from being killed. 

     
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    Re: Panetta said

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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    the attack ended before they could get off the ground.



    It bears repeating.

     

     




    And again.

     

     



    Here's the timeline that puts and end to your horrible lie.

     

    9:42 p.m. -- Armed men begin their assault on the U.S. Consulate.

    9:59 p.m. -- A surveillance drone is directed to fly over the U.S. compound, but it is unarmed.

    10:32 p.m. -- The Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. "The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey."

    11 p.m. -- Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey meet with President Obama at the White House where they discuss the unfolding situation and how to respond. The meeting had been previously scheduled.

    11:10 p.m. -- The surveillance drone arrives over the Benghazi facility.

    11:30 p.m. -- All surviving U.S. personnel are evacuated from the consulate. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and State Department computer expert Sean Smith were killed in the initial assault.

    September 12

    Midnight to 2 a.m. -- Panetta and other senior leaders discuss possible options for further violence if it were to break out. Panetta gives verbal orders for Marine anti-terrorist teams from Rota, Spain, to prepare to deploy to Tripoli and Benghazi. Panetta also orders a special operations force team training in Croatia and an additional special operations force team in the United States to prepare to deploy to a staging base in southern Italy.

    1:30 a.m. -- A six-man security team from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrives in Benghazi.

    2:39 a.m. to 2:53 a.m. -- The National Military Command Center gives formal authorization for the deployment of the two special operations force teams from Croatia and the United States.

    5:15 a.m. -- Attackers launch assault on a second U.S. facility in Benghazi. Two former U.S. Navy SEALs acting as security contractors are killed. They are identified as Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

    6:05 a.m. -- A C-17 aircraft in Germany is told to prepare to deploy to Libya to evacuate the consulate personnel.

    7:40 a.m. -- The first wave of Americans are evacuated to Tripoli via airplane.

    10 a.m. -- A second group, including those killed in the attack, are flown to Tripoli.

    2:15 p.m. -- The C-17 departs from Germany for the flight to Tripoli.

    7:17 p.m. -- The C-17 leaves Tripoli with the American consulate personnel and the bodies of Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty.

    7:57 p.m. -- The U.S. special operations force team based in Croatia arrives at a staging base in Italy.

    8:56 p.m. -- One of the Marine anti-terrorist teams from Spain arrives in Tripoli.

    9:28 p.m. -- The U.S.-based special operations force team arrives at its staging base in Italy.

     



    I think it puts an end to your terrible lie.  Resources were summoned to address the situation.  They got there too late to be of any real use.  There is no indication that anything could have been done differently.  But the "Blame Obama game" must continue at all costs and regardless of the actual facts.

     

     
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