Paul Ryan wants to Reform Failed Poverty Programs

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    Paul Ryan wants to Reform Failed Poverty Programs

    Reform, of course,  will be stridently opposed by the reactionary liberals who earn their fat salaries and pensions by administering dozens and dozens of DC-based federal programs that demonstrably fail to help the poor rise from their station in life...but do allow liberals the joy of seeing redistribution of hardearned income to Government programs....


    NY Times:


    Mr. Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee and a leading voice in his party on fiscal matters, said in a speech at the American Enterprise Institute that the federal government represents the “rear guard — it protects the supply lines. The people on the ground, they’re the vanguard. They fight poverty on the front lines.”


    Mr. Ryan’s proposal gives new policy backbone to Republicans’ recent promises to address poverty and is part of a broader political strategy to increase the party’s appeal. This has given Mr. Ryan, the Republican nominee for vice president in 2012, the opportunity to show that he and his party are as concerned about the poor as Democrats are while offering a dramatically different approach to addressing poverty.


    His plan includes a mix of both traditional Republican tax proposals to expand the earned-income tax credit and reduce regulations and some new commitments to reducing criminal sentencing and recidivism.


    Other Republicans, like Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky and Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who, like Mr. Ryan are considering a 2016 presidential run, have echoed his broad call to broaden their party’s appeal. Mr. Rubio spoke about broken families at Catholic University in Washington yesterday, and Mr. Paul will address the National Urban League in Cincinnati tomorrow.


    Mr. Ryan tumbled somewhat awkwardly[says the Times, anyway]  into the anti-poverty discussion this year when he said a “tailspin of culture in our inner cities” perpetuated poverty, a comment that Democrats and some African-American groups called racist. [naturally] But since then, Mr. Ryan has appeared to try to make amends, traveling the country to listen to Americans in poorer cities as he prepared to unveil this proposal.


    The “Opportunity Grants” resemble block grants to individual states, which would have autonomy to spend on whatever anti-poverty programs they desire as long as Washington approves the plan. The federal government currently spends about $800 billion on social welfare programs like food stamps and housing assistance. Mr. Ryan said total spending would remain the same and that his plan was revenue-neutral.


    Mr. Ryan’s previous broad policy introductions outlined in his budgets have focused on deficit reduction, but he stressed that this anti-poverty proposal focused on reforming, not curtailing, the safety net.


    “It is important to note that this is not a budget-cutting exercise — this is a reform proposal,” the policy discussion draft said. “This proposal seeks to create the space and flexibility necessary for local, state, and federal government to add value without making judgments about the right level of spending.”


    If a state opted into the pilot program, it would have low-income residents meet with case managers who would craft an “opportunity plan” offering both financial advice and coordinating the provision of the several different programs they need to survive. A neutral agency would evaluate each provider’s success at moving poor Americans out of poverty.


    “The point is, don’t just pass a law and hope for the best,” Mr. Ryan said. “If you’ve got an idea, let’s try it. Test it. See what works.”


    The proposal also gives childless workers the chance to claim a larger earned-income tax credit, which grants a subsidy to low-income families with a working parent. The credit was greatly expanded during the 1990s when Republicans similarly homed in on poverty as a policy priority. Mr. Ryan’s proposal recommends doubling the maximum tax credit for the childless poor and lowering the age of eligibility from 25 to 21.


    President Obama and House Democrats have also signaled support for an expansion of the credit, and Democrats applauded Mr. Ryan’s plans to tackle recidivism.


    But when push comes to shove, The Party of Government will refuse to reform failed bureaucracies...because the secret is, Democrats care more about their precious Government programs and Government unions than they do about the poor...

     
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    Oh, wow.  Give poor people more money.  Thanks Paul Ryan.  Why didn't the Dems think of that?

     
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    Re: Paul Ryan wants to Reform Failed Poverty Programs

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    Reform, of course,  will be stridently opposed by the reactionary liberals who earn their fat salaries and pensions by administering dozens and dozens of DC-based federal programs that demonstrably fail to help the poor rise from their station in life...but do allow liberals the joy of seeing redistribution of hardearned income to Government programs....


    But when push comes to shove, The Party of Government will refuse to reform failed bureaucracies...because the secret is, Democrats care more about their precious Government programs and Government unions than they do about the poor...





    Also, btw, the ranting, lying, and smearing seriously gets in the way of whatever position you might actually have.

     
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    Reform, of course,  will be stridently opposed by the reactionary liberals who earn their fat salaries and pensions by administering dozens and dozens of DC-based federal programs that demonstrably fail to help the poor rise from their station in life...but do allow liberals the joy of seeing redistribution of hardearned income to Government programs....


     


    But when push comes to shove, The Party of Government will refuse to reform failed bureaucracies...because the secret is, Democrats care more about their precious Government programs and Government unions than they do about the poor...


     


     





     


     


    Also, btw, the ranting, lying, and smearing seriously gets in the way of whatever position you might actually have.





    Lying and smearing, you say.  Please enlighten us where Democrats have supported reform of ANY failed Government bureaucratic social welfare program, like Head Start , or Food Stamps, never mind repeal and replacement......The party of the Status Quo, the Party of Government, only supports the public employees, regardless of whether the public employees actually do something successfully...


    Obama actually had the gall to make speeches talking about Government reform, but of course hasnt done a thing but expand the bureaucracy and defend the existing failures......

     
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    Reform, of course,  will be stridently opposed by the reactionary liberals


    Rant, Smear


    who earn their fat salaries and pensions by administering dozens and dozens of DC-based federal programs


    Lie for the most part. Smear/rant to boot; the low level workers administering things don't make much. They also aren't necessarily "liberals".


    that demonstrably fail to help the poor rise from their station in life


    Smear, rant. Questionable whether lying or ignorant.


    ...but do allow liberals the joy of seeing redistribution of hardearned income to Government programs....


    Smear, rant, lie.


    But when push comes to shove, The Party of Government will refuse to reform failed bureaucracies...


    rant


    because the secret is, Democrats care more about their precious Government programs and Government unions than they do about the poor...


    lie, rant, smear





    Questions?


    You need to start posting facts and then logical analysis flowing from those facts. At least high-road works some of that in between his whacko-wingnuts and BWAAAs.


    Your only commentary in the OP is literally a highly redundant smear about everyone you identify as liberal and/or Democrat and/or works in the government.


     


    Boring.




     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:


    Reform, of course,  will be stridently opposed by the reactionary liberals who earn their fat salaries and pensions by administering dozens and dozens of DC-based federal programs that demonstrably fail to help the poor rise from their station in life...but do allow liberals the joy of seeing redistribution of hardearned income to Government programs....



    But when push comes to shove, The Party of Government will refuse to reform failed bureaucracies...because the secret is, Democrats care more about their precious Government programs and Government unions than they do about the poor...


    Also, btw, the ranting, lying, and smearing seriously gets in the way of whatever position you might actually have.





    Lying and smearing, you say.  Please enlighten us where Democrats have supported reform of ANY failed Government bureaucratic social welfare program, like Head Start , or Food Stamps, never mind repeal and replacement......The party of the Status Quo, the Party of Government, only supports the public employees, regardless of whether the public employees actually do something successfully...


     


    Obama actually had the gall to make speeches talking about Government reform, but of course hasnt done a thing but expand the bureaucracy and defend the existing failures......


     


     


     


     





    Hey spanky, what was ya'lls reaction to Obama giving states flexibility in reforming welfare?


     


     


    A plan which Ryan apparently copy and pasted off the interwebby thingy.... but which you now support ... maybe because he creates a whole new federal bearaucracy to oversee his 'reforms'.


     


    HILARIOUS!!!!!





    This is the 'flexibility' you are talking about? Gutting work requirements for welfare found in the succesful 1996 Clinton-signed  welfare reform?


     


    On July 12, 2012 the Obama administration issued a new policy asserting that it would issue waivers to exempt states from the work requirements established in the 1996 welfare-reform law. This move violates the reform law and undermines what made it such a success. Welfare reform helped millions of families out of welfare and into jobs. Obama’s policy will “end welfare reform as we know it.”


     

     
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    Reform, of course,  will be stridently opposed by the reactionary liberals who earn their fat salaries and pensions by administering dozens and dozens of DC-based federal programs that demonstrably fail to help the poor rise from their station in life...but do allow liberals the joy of seeing redistribution of hardearned income to Government programs....

     


    But when push comes to shove, The Party of Government will refuse to reform failed bureaucracies...because the secret is, Democrats care more about their precious Government programs and Government unions than they do about the poor...

     

    Also, btw, the ranting, lying, and smearing seriously gets in the way of whatever position you might actually have.

     



     

    Lying and smearing, you say.  Please enlighten us where Democrats have supported reform of ANY failed Government bureaucratic social welfare program, like Head Start , or Food Stamps, never mind repeal and replacement......The party of the Status Quo, the Party of Government, only supports the public employees, regardless of whether the public employees actually do something successfully...

     

     

     

    Obama actually had the gall to make speeches talking about Government reform, but of course hasnt done a thing but expand the bureaucracy and defend the existing failures......

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Hey spanky, what was ya'lls reaction to Obama giving states flexibility in reforming welfare?

     

     

     

     

     

    A plan which Ryan apparently copy and pasted off the interwebby thingy.... but which you now support ... maybe because he creates a whole new federal bearaucracy to oversee his 'reforms'.

     

     

     

    HILARIOUS!!!!!

     

     




    This is the 'flexibility' you are talking about? Gutting work requirements for welfare found in the succesful 1996 Clinton-signed  welfare reform?

     

     

     

     

    On July 12, 2012 the Obama administration issued a new policy asserting that it would issue waivers to exempt states from the work requirements established in the 1996 welfare-reform law. This move violates the reform law and undermines what made it such a success. Welfare reform helped millions of families out of welfare and into jobs. Obama’s policy will “end welfare reform as we know it.”

     

     



    So when Ryan lets the states decide, he's reforming welfare, but when Obama lets the states decide he's ending welfare reform.  You just scan for keywords without actually understanding what you're posting, don't you?

     

     
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    Re: Paul Ryan wants to Reform Failed Poverty Programs

    There are 2 types of people on welfare.  1 type will be on welfare for less than a year.  The best way to help them get if welfare is a better economy.  The second type is the chronic welfare recipients.  They haven't got the skills that will land them a decent job.  Unfortunately, their kids will probably never learn the skills that will get them a decent job.  The point being, if you want to reduce the long term welfare roles, there needs to be jobs that pay a decent wage for unskilled workers.

    there is also a need to focus in the children in welfare.  Income is positively correlated with reading and math skills. The reading skills of an adult are positively correlated to being read to as a child.  Essentially an adult passes their reading skills to their children.   If the parents don't read, then the children won't read.

     
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    definitively cannot support Ryan yet, need to hear more, but

    you cannot believe what we have now is working, except yo keep people on the liberal/ progressive plantation

    please see Detroit, or even Chicago and here comes Deblasio

     
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    I actually find his ideas on this somewhat solid. I have long thought there should be more coordination between the agencies who provide assistance to the poor. While there have been some improvements on sharing information and referrals, there is still a lot of room for improvement.

    One thing I find interesting though..is who pays for all these theoretical caseworkers which are a big part of his plan. Seems like this will be an additional layer of public employees , in other words more government hiring, not less.

    I can't imagine that his GOP counterparts will really go for his plan.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    I actually find his ideas on this somewhat solid. I have long thought there should be more coordination between the agencies who provide assistance to the poor. While there have been some improvements on sharing information and referrals, there is still a lot of room for improvement.

    One thing I find interesting though..is who pays for all these theoretical caseworkers which are a big part of his plan. Seems like this will be an additional layer of public employees , in other words more government hiring, not less.

    I can't imagine that his GOP counterparts will really go for his plan.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)



    Ryan never said we have to have an "additional layer' of bureaucracy. We have 92 federal programs,  $800 billion spent a year . Get rid of layers of useless bureaucrats and duplicative programs, Allow states to experiment and spend money on programs that actually work to pull people out of poverty!

    The poverty industry now seems to be by the bureaucrats, for the bureaucrats...creating and encouraging dependency.

    Is is the part of the religious belief of Government-worshipping Democrats that a federal program has eternal life, even if it is a failure? That public employees cant be laid off ?

     

     
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    Paul Ryan speaks as though poverty is just an inner city African American problem. He needs to get out more.  Our poverty problem is large and growing, particularly in thousands of rural communities where you just see white faces.

    The white welfare recipient may represent a multi-generational culture of poverty that has nothing to do with inner cities but everything to do with gaming the system while living by under the table odd jobs, charity and mooching. The thing that bothers me about the focus on the inner city males who have no skills and no motivation to make their own way is that it stigmatizes one group of dependent poor while utterly ignoring a much larger group of equally (or more) dependent white poor. I wonder if so many of these white poor would vote Republican if the GOP policy makers like Ryan categorized them for what they are: economically, educationally and culturally the same as the inner city minorities the GOP loves to showcase. This is the GOP base, after all.

     
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    Paul Ryan speaks as though poverty is just an inner city African American problem. He needs to get out more.  Our poverty problem is large and growing, particularly in thousands of rural communities where you just see white faces.

    The white welfare recipient may represent a multi-generational culture of poverty that has nothing to do with inner cities but everything to do with gaming the system while living by under the table odd jobs, charity and mooching. The thing that bothers me about the focus on the inner city males who have no skills and no motivation to make their own way is that it stigmatizes one group of dependent poor while utterly ignoring a much larger group of equally (or more) dependent white poor. I wonder if so many of these white poor would vote Republican if the GOP policy makers like Ryan categorized them for what they are: economically, educationally and culturally the same as the inner city minorities the GOP loves to showcase. This is the GOP base, after all.



    You are very confused. 

    "Our poverty problem is large and growing..."  Thanks, Obama. This is exactly why the trillion we spend on ending poverty needs to be reformed...to actually do some good toward ending poverty, not creating the culture of permenent Government dependence.

    The GOP base is actually mostly those who are self reliant, meaning mostly those working in the private sector. And those who may be temporarily down on their luck, but working toward bettering themselves, and not settling for a Government check.....

    It is Democrats who stigmatize, by pandering and stereotyping individuals,  that they cant rise from their current station in life. Wanting them to settle for permanent welfare checks, and not requiring them to be reponsible and self reliant.

    The Democratic base are those of any ethnicity race or gender who are reliant upon Government...and of course those who are lucky enough to have a lifetime 'no heavy lifting' public sector job.

    So your supposed culture of whites who are "mooching" , would definitely lean toward voting for the Party of Mooching....

     
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