Pelosi "Hamas a Humanitarian Org"

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    Pelosi "Hamas a Humanitarian Org"

    headline says it all


    And Candy Crowelly let her get away with it, nice going 


    Pelosi has been senile since she was born, and the house Dems vote for her, too sad to be funny


    Nice to see Candy the Sow still works for the Democrat Party

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    seawolf,

    Your headline apparently does not say it all. Your headline is incorrect. 

    Nancy Pelosi NEVER said it. She NEVER said Hamas is a Humanitarian organization. 

    On CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    As you can read in the below article, her precise answer was as follows.

    "Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was."

     

    You can read the rest of the article, the rest of the facts below.

     

     

    Nancy Pelosi's Ties to "Humanitarian Organization" Hamas
    Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.



    In most people’s lists of humanitarian organizations, Hamas is unlikely to make the cut.

    Unless the person compiling the list is House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). During an appearance Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley, the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was.



    Unsurprisingly, once the quote percolated to the surface of Twitter, Pelosi’s people fired up the spin cycle. In a statement quoted in the Washington Examiner, Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said:

    As Leader Pelosi reiterated in her CNN interview, Hamas is a terrorist organization. As also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels.

    Apparently, Hammill didn’t watch “Leader Pelosi’s” spot on Crowley’s show or read the readily available transcript, a quick perusal of which reveals that Nancy “Are You Serious” Pelosi never once calls Hamas a terrorist group. In fact, if she genuinely believed Hamas is a terrorist organization (as it has been defined by the U.S. State Department since 1997) would she support giving control of a significant swath of the Holy Land to it?

    And what of Pelosi’s reliance on the opinion of the unnamed claque of Qataris? The Washington Examiner observes:

    Qatar is a major sponsor, both financially and ideologically, of Hamas. Though allied with the U.S., the Wahhabi regime in Doha is widely reported to have supplied hundreds of millions of dollars to Hamas, shelters the group's political leaders and provides an outlet for its ideological leaders through the Al Jazeera satellite network, which it controls.

    “Qatar has a long history of providing shelter to Islamist groups, amongst them the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban,” Shashank Joshi, senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, told Time magazine.

    Maybe Pelosi’s identification of Qataris as the Hamas-admirers has less to do with her reliance on their ability to judge character and more to do with her hesitancy to denounce those who have donated cash to her campaigns. Consider this story published in November 2012 by The Daily Caller:

    Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi headlined a high-dollar fundraiser in May that was attended by U.S.-based Islamist groups and individuals linked by the U.S. government to the Hamas jihad group and to the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood movement.

    Also present at that $5,000+ a plate fundraiser held to stuff the coffers of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was Nihad Awad, the co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), The Daily Caller reports, citing data provided by Project on Terrorism.

    Or, how about this endorsement as evidence of the mutual admiration between Hamas and Pelosi: In a statement to World Net Daily, Islamic Jihad spokesman Khaled Al-Batch said,

    Nancy Pelosi understands the area [Middle East] well, more than Bush and Dr. [Condoleeza] Rice. If the Democrats want to make negotiations with Syria, Hamas, and Hezbollah, this means the Democratic Party understands well what happens in this area and I think Pelosi will succeed.... I hope she wins the next elections.

    In light of these statements, it seems that Pelosi’s ventriloquistic use of Qataris to praise Hamas is cowardly, but not uncommon.

     



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    Nancy Pelosi understands the area [Middle East] well, more than Bush and Dr. [Condoleeza] Rice.

    My milk just went gushing out of my nose.

     

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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to andiejen's comment:
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    seawolf,

    Your headline apparently does not say it all. Your headline is incorrect. 

    Nancy Pelosi NEVER said it. She NEVER said Hamas is a Humanitarian organization. 

    On CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    As you can read in the below article, her precise answer was as follows.

    "Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was."

     

    You can read the rest of the article, the rest of the facts below.

     

     

    Nancy Pelosi's Ties to "Humanitarian Organization" Hamas
    Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.



    In most people’s lists of humanitarian organizations, Hamas is unlikely to make the cut.

    Unless the person compiling the list is House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). During an appearance Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley, the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was.



    Unsurprisingly, once the quote percolated to the surface of Twitter, Pelosi’s people fired up the spin cycle. In a statement quoted in the Washington Examiner, Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said:

    As Leader Pelosi reiterated in her CNN interview, Hamas is a terrorist organization. As also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels.

    Apparently, Hammill didn’t watch “Leader Pelosi’s” spot on Crowley’s show or read the readily available transcript, a quick perusal of which reveals that Nancy “Are You Serious” Pelosi never once calls Hamas a terrorist group. In fact, if she genuinely believed Hamas is a terrorist organization (as it has been defined by the U.S. State Department since 1997) would she support giving control of a significant swath of the Holy Land to it?

    And what of Pelosi’s reliance on the opinion of the unnamed claque of Qataris? The Washington Examiner observes:

    Qatar is a major sponsor, both financially and ideologically, of Hamas. Though allied with the U.S., the Wahhabi regime in Doha is widely reported to have supplied hundreds of millions of dollars to Hamas, shelters the group's political leaders and provides an outlet for its ideological leaders through the Al Jazeera satellite network, which it controls.

    “Qatar has a long history of providing shelter to Islamist groups, amongst them the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban,” Shashank Joshi, senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, told Time magazine.

    Maybe Pelosi’s identification of Qataris as the Hamas-admirers has less to do with her reliance on their ability to judge character and more to do with her hesitancy to denounce those who have donated cash to her campaigns. Consider this story published in November 2012 by The Daily Caller:

    Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi headlined a high-dollar fundraiser in May that was attended by U.S.-based Islamist groups and individuals linked by the U.S. government to the Hamas jihad group and to the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood movement.

    Also present at that $5,000+ a plate fundraiser held to stuff the coffers of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was Nihad Awad, the co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), The Daily Caller reports, citing data provided by Project on Terrorism.

    Or, how about this endorsement as evidence of the mutual admiration between Hamas and Pelosi: In a statement to World Net Daily, Islamic Jihad spokesman Khaled Al-Batch said,

    Nancy Pelosi understands the area [Middle East] well, more than Bush and Dr. [Condoleeza] Rice. If the Democrats want to make negotiations with Syria, Hamas, and Hezbollah, this means the Democratic Party understands well what happens in this area and I think Pelosi will succeed.... I hope she wins the next elections.

    In light of these statements, it seems that Pelosi’s ventriloquistic use of Qataris to praise Hamas is cowardly, but not uncommon.

     



    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas

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    Propaganda is propagande

    you are word smithing

    She took her information from the Quataris that hamas is a Humanitarian Org.

    How she could repeat it, and imply that they are a Humantarian Org, while knowing that Ohole's State Deprtment has them on the Terrorist list is her typical  dumbchit talking points. It is either incompentence _ which she is de facto or she is part of the new left - like Ohole , who at best makes the moral equivalence of MUslim BRo hood to Isreal or justt hates Isreal. And since Ohole had so many MBH people roaming around in the WH who lnows if it is the former rather than the latter

    Let us say tath she didnt mean that they were??? This is the sort of loose talk taht is then used agisnt isreal. These terroirsts have already used Kerry's inartful off the mike statemetns agisnt Isreal - what do you think they will do with this?

    Pelsois was still senile at birth

    Candy Crowelly got Pelosi off the air quickly with out a follow up- She was either covering up for or afraid to hear the real answer

     

    Lets face it the Dems are dangerous to everyone.

     

     

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from ronreganfan. Show ronreganfan's posts

    Re: Pelosi

    In response to andiejen's comment:
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    seawolf,

    Your headline apparently does not say it all. Your headline is incorrect. 

    Nancy Pelosi NEVER said it. She NEVER said Hamas is a Humanitarian organization. 

    On CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    As you can read in the below article, her precise answer was as follows.

    "Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was."

     

    You can read the rest of the article, the rest of the facts below.

     

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas

    [/QUOTE]

    Right.  She only said that the Qataris told her that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, then did not dispute it.

    In progressive circles, this usually passes for an endorsement, as she did not condemn them.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from andiejen. Show andiejen's posts

    Re: Pelosi

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Nancy Pelosi understands the area [Middle East] well, more than Bush and Dr. [Condoleeza] Rice.

    My milk just went gushing out of my nose.

     

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    [/QUOTE]


    SB,

    Due respect,that statement was not made by any of Nancy Pelosi's people. Not even close.

     In a statement to World Net Daily it was made by Islamic Jihad spokesman Khaled Al-Batch.

    So, of course, Khaled Al-Batch is entitled to his opinion about who better understands the Middle East. 

    Just as importantly, Nancy Pelosi is not responsible for what he has to say about this or anything else.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from NowWhatDoYouWant. Show NowWhatDoYouWant's posts

    Re: Pelosi

    In response to Pelosi's comment:
    [QUOTE] “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” [/QUOTE]

    Qatar has aligned itself with Hamas.....

    Since when is Qatar a reliable source on Hamas's motivations, let alone any terrorist groups' motivations?

     

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    . Consider this story published in November 2012 by The Daily Caller:

    Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi headlined a high-dollar fundraiser in May that was attended by U.S.-based Islamist groups and individuals linked by the U.S. government to the Hamas jihad group and to the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood movement.

     

     

    Oh. Since then.

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to andiejen's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    seawolf,

    Your headline apparently does not say it all. Your headline is incorrect. 

    Nancy Pelosi NEVER said it. She NEVER said Hamas is a Humanitarian organization. 

    On CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    As you can read in the below article, her precise answer was as follows.

    "Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was."

     

    You can read the rest of the article, the rest of the facts below.

     

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas

    [/QUOTE]

    Right.  She only said that the Qataris told her that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, then did not dispute it.

    In progressive circles, this usually passes for an endorsement, as she did not condemn them.

    [/QUOTE]

    ron, 

    Shall we say the same about conservative circles?  Substitute a different scenario. If a conservative does not condemn a certain group, then it usually passes as an endorsement?

    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas";

     
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    Re: Pelosi

     "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."


    Pelosi hasn't been paying attention. Qatar has given hundreds of millions to Hamas without paying heed to how they spend it.

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to andiejen's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to andiejen's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    seawolf,

    Your headline apparently does not say it all. Your headline is incorrect. 

    Nancy Pelosi NEVER said it. She NEVER said Hamas is a Humanitarian organization. 

    On CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley the host asked Pelosi if she thought Israel should be doing more “to protect civilians in Gaza.”

    As you can read in the below article, her precise answer was as follows.

    "Pelosi responded (in part), “We have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” In fairness, Pelosi did not exactly say she considers Hamas a humanitarian organization; she said the Qataris told her it was."

     

    You can read the rest of the article, the rest of the facts below.

     

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas

    [/QUOTE]

    Right.  She only said that the Qataris told her that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, then did not dispute it.

    In progressive circles, this usually passes for an endorsement, as she did not condemn them.

    [/QUOTE]

    ron, 

    Shall we say the same about conservative circles?  Substitute a different scenario. If a conservative does not condemn a certain group, then it usually passes as an endorsement?

    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas";" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/18809-nancy-pelosis-ties-to-humanitarian-organization-hamas";;

    [/QUOTE]

    You don't already do that?

    could have fooled me.

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from andiejen. Show andiejen's posts

    Re: Pelosi

    ron,

    "You don't already do that?

    could have fooled me."

    That was NOT the important part of my post.

    The part I wanted you to comment on was this.

    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."

    Thoughts?

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to andiejen's comment:


    ron,


    "You don't already do that?


    could have fooled me."


    That was NOT the important part of my post.


    The part I wanted you to comment on was this.


    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."


    Thoughts?




    The two-state solution....too bad the Palestinians aren't for it. Their opinion might carry the day over that of Ms. Pelosi.


    How long do we give the Palestinians to join the civilized world???

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to andiejen's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    ron,

    "You don't already do that?

    could have fooled me."

    That was NOT the important part of my post.

    The part I wanted you to comment on was this.

    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."

    Thoughts?

    [/QUOTE]

    Having a reporter state what Pelosi believes without her actually saying seems to be the main function of the press these days.


    She can support or say what ever she supports. She doesn't have the mental capacity to understand that her sophomoric point of view, particularly a two state solution, where Hamas and the PLO are only interested in a two state solution until they get enough strength to push Israel into the sea, is a fools errand.

     

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to andiejen's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    ron,

    "You don't already do that?

    could have fooled me."

    That was NOT the important part of my post.

    The part I wanted you to comment on was this.

    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."

    Thoughts?

    [/QUOTE]

    Having a reporter state what Pelosi believes without her actually saying seems to be the main function of the press these days.


    She can support or say what ever she supports. She doesn't have the mental capacity to understand that her sophomoric point of view, particularly a two state solution, where Hamas and the PLO are only interested in a two state solution until they get enough strength to push Israel into the sea, is a fools errand.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    ron,

    I will go this far. I do agree with the last line of the article.

    "In light of these statements, it seems that Pelosi’s ventriloquistic use of Qataris to praise Hamas is cowardly, but not uncommon."

    This reporter never stated Pelosi believes Hamas is a humanitarian organization. The OP never gave a site for that so of course none of us know what source, if any, he was using.

    Among the many things she does support is yes, a two-state solution. She is hardly the first politician over the years to support this concept.

    If this is not the ultimate solution, then what is? What should be done about Palestine?

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from andiejen. Show andiejen's posts

    Re: Pelosi

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to andiejen's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

     

    ron,

     

    "You don't already do that?

     

    could have fooled me."

     

    That was NOT the important part of my post.

     

    The part I wanted you to comment on was this.

     

    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."

     

    Thoughts?

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    The two-state solution....too bad the Palestinians aren't for it. Their opinion might carry the day over that of Ms. Pelosi.

     

     

    How long do we give the Palestinians to join the civilized world???

    [/QUOTE]


    Hansoribrother,

    I do not have an answer to how long we keep working on a two-state solution. I just do not.

    I thoroughly support Israel. What they did after the holocaust to fight for and establish that country and keep that country is a story I hope every child absorbs in their education.

    I do not know if there will ever be peace between Israel and Palestinians. But as Israel's ally is it not our obligation to keep trying to effect a peace?

     

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from seawolfxs. Show seawolfxs's posts

    Re: Pelosi

    Reasonable debate

    until Palestinians drop all Jews must die, there is no two state solution

    hamas is committing war crimes very day, but we have the UN lehumanitarian group led by Iran, and Cuba for just 2" deciding how evil Israel is and barely barely mention Hamas in an 2800 page report

    and the USA is led by a group of lite weights, and those who have read me before knows how light a critism this is

    There are times there are no such thing as good negotiations resulting in win win for all, there wasn't for Hitler, Stalin or Mao. And there aren't for these dirtbags either. You either teach them to heal or kill the rabid dog, sorry that's just the way it really is

    Pat's Fan lost in Jet Land

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from high-road. Show high-road's posts

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    ... the largest backer of Hamas was Saudi Arabia, with over 50% of its funds coming from that country, mainly through Islamic charity organizations. An earlier estimate by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs estimated a $50 million annual budget, mostly supplied by private charitable associations but with $12 million supplied directly by Gulf states, primarily Saudi Arabia, and a further $3 million from Iran.


    Interesting .... but I'm sure there's a handy excuse from the wingnuts as to why their defacto party royalty has been sooo close with the single largest source of funds for Hamas for oh sooo long ... hey, maybe Hamas really is a 'humanitarian org'.


     


    bush1


    Bush

     
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    Your pictures tell such a compelling story but what, no youtube videos explaining the underlying new world order conspiracies?

     

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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to andiejen's comment:


    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
    [QUOTE]


    In response to andiejen's comment:
    [QUOTE]


    ron,


    "You don't already do that?


    could have fooled me."


    That was NOT the important part of my post.


    The part I wanted you to comment on was this.


    More importantly, away from hypotheticals, "Leader Pelosi also stated, she believes that in supporting a two-state solution, we must support Abbas, we must support Israel's Iron Dome initiative and we must support the humanitarian needs of the Palestinians. She also believes that engaging the Qataris, who refer to Hamas as a humanitarian organization and fund such needs, would put additional pressure on Hamas to stop the rockets attacks and destroy all tunnels."


    Thoughts?



    Having a reporter state what Pelosi believes without her actually saying seems to be the main function of the press these days.



    She can support or say what ever she supports. She doesn't have the mental capacity to understand that her sophomoric point of view, particularly a two state solution, where Hamas and the PLO are only interested in a two state solution until they get enough strength to push Israel into the sea, is a fools errand.


     


    [/QUOTE]

    ron,


    I will go this far. I do agree with the last line of the article.


    "In light of these statements, it seems that Pelosi’s ventriloquistic use of Qataris to praise Hamas is cowardly, but not uncommon."


    This reporter never stated Pelosi believes Hamas is a humanitarian organization. The OP never gave a site for that so of course none of us know what source, if any, he was using.


    Among the many things she does support is yes, a two-state solution. She is hardly the first politician over the years to support this concept.


    If this is not the ultimate solution, then what is? What should be done about Palestine?


    [/QUOTE]



    Pelosi didn't disagree with the description of Hamas as a humanitarian organization. You are smart enough to understand that is acceptance of the description. When Crowely did a stephanopulous on her (when the press lovingly corrects the democrat), Pelosi did one of those close lipped hmmhm responses, which is an acknowledgement of what she heard, but a rejection of the correction.


    as far as Palestine: made up people group which largely didn't reside in Israel, but Jordan and Syria. When the leftie's start leaning on these countries to assimilate these people, instead of warehousing them, as they have done for the past 60 years, then a discussion on the efficacy of the Palistinian occupation claim is laid naked.  It has no merit never did.

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    High Road

    It is so frustraing to see people deal from Loaded Decks day after day and this is no exception

    First - There are a: Sunni vs Sharia, Arab vs Persian, and Palestinian vs Isreal wars going on.  Then you have the wild card terrorsits -Hamas - sharia, Hezbolah - sunni.  Al Qudea - Sunni,  Muslim Bro Hood MBH a mess, ISIS- crack pot Sunni - and Kurds Sunni - but non players

    The ME is a complex , double dealing world - the Sauds and every president since the beginning of the House of Saud have played the game

    SA is an enigma - they do some good things and then they have factions that are not good for the USA. Alot of money goes to MBH factions but you have no idea who the real funders are. OBL family is one of SA richest - who knows what they do? the house of Saud may only do it to save their own skins - who knows???

    The Bush's made there mistakes - But funny thing is I have never hear any of the left really nail them down. And I am not going to help them - Clinton made his mistakes and Obama. well he  is just one  BIG MISTAKE.

    To say that SA is behind Hamas now is just plain irresponsible. - Isreali money went in to Gaza to help build houses and help the Gazans -  I am sure Egypt gave money too - but under the MBH not under Sissi- does that make them responsible? of course not!  SA, Egypt Jordan and the Emeriates are all non vocal backers of of Isreal against Hamas- Iran, Quatr and Hezbola (cause iran funds them) are backers of Hamas.

    Russia is a backer of Iran and China goes along for the ride - as they have usally een quiet and non leaders - hiding behind Russia skirts - until recently in the Pacific

    Your pictures are a pure distortion of what is going on there.

    So why didnt you show Obama bowing to this same Saudi King?

    So why dont you show the pictures of the MBH that has access to Obamas White House?

    Are you not honest? or do you have and Agenda?

     

    High Road

    What are you? a partisan zealot or a reasonable person who looks at the complexities?

    I am afraid of the ansswer - but will not be surprised

     

    . As it is SA, Egypt,

     
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    In response to high-road's comment:


    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
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    High Road


    It is so frustraing to see people deal from Loaded Decks day after day and this is no exception


    First - There are a: Sunni vs Sharia, Arab vs Persian, and Palestinian vs Isreal wars going on.  Then you have the wild card terrorsits -Hamas - sharia, Hezbolah - sunni.  Al Qudea - Sunni,  Muslim Bro Hood MBH a mess, ISIS- crack pot Sunni - and Kurds Sunni - but non players


    The ME is a complex , double dealing world - the Sauds and every president since the beginning of the House of Saud have played the game


    SA is an enigma - they do some good things and then they have factions that are not good for the USA. Alot of money goes to MBH factions but you have no idea who the real funders are. OBL family is one of SA richest - who knows what they do? the house of Saud may only do it to save their own skins - who knows???


    The Bush's made there mistakes - But funny thing is I have never hear any of the left really nail them down. And I am not going to help them - Clinton made his mistakes and Obama. well he  is just one  BIG MISTAKE.


    To say that SA is behind Hamas now is just plain irresponsible. - Isreali money went in to Gaza to help build houses and help the Gazans -  I am sure Egypt gave money too - but under the MBH not under Sissi- does that make them responsible? of course not!  SA, Egypt Jordan and the Emeriates are all non vocal backers of of Isreal against Hamas- Iran, Quatr and Hezbola (cause iran funds them) are backers of Hamas.


    Russia is a backer of Iran and China goes along for the ride - as they have usally een quiet and non leaders - hiding behind Russia skirts - until recently in the Pacific


    Your pictures are a pure distortion of what is going on there.


    So why didnt you show Obama bowing to this same Saudi King?


    So why dont you show the pictures of the MBH that has access to Obamas White House?


    Are you not honest? or do you have and Agenda?


     


    High Road


    What are you? a partisan zealot or a reasonable person who looks at the complexities?


    I am afraid of the ansswer - but will not be surprised


     


    . As it is SA, Egypt,





    That is hilarious!!!


    So let me get this straight ... you started a thread based purely on your ideological ignorance of world affairs ... and then, when the reality of global politics is thrust in front of your face ... you make a long, disjointed, and often incorrect excuse for the previous wingnuts who supported Hamas ... which I correctly predicted you would ... but that circuitous route to your excuse only applies to the wingnuts ... libruls don't get to follow your same ideologically ignorant excuses ... thank gawd.


    So you have explained the alternate reality thinking of idiots like yourself ... you base your ire on the letter after the name regardless of all those 'facts' you posted ... because in your bass ackwards world excuses are for wingnuts and libruls are to be blamed for everything ... regardless of facts or history.


    And to top it off ... you throw in a "MBH in the Whitehouse" crazyarsed non-squitur for good measure ... as if to prove how off-the-wall you are ...


    Geepers, you crack me up.


    I have to say though ... all that rambling prose ... though sometimes contradictory ... is the best effort you've made in a long time to appear normal. I'll give you a B for effort on that one.


    [/QUOTE]


    Pat's Fan lost in Jet Landyou are a joke high road you arent


    go drink your yellow pea colored koolade with the rest of you fascists. Just Another dirt bag 

     
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    Re: Pelosi

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to high-road's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

     

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
    [QUOTE]

     

    High Road

     

    It is so frustraing to see people deal from Loaded Decks day after day and this is no exception

     

    First - There are a: Sunni vs Sharia, Arab vs Persian, and Palestinian vs Isreal wars going on.  Then you have the wild card terrorsits -Hamas - sharia, Hezbolah - sunni.  Al Qudea - Sunni,  Muslim Bro Hood MBH a mess, ISIS- crack pot Sunni - and Kurds Sunni - but non players

     

    The ME is a complex , double dealing world - the Sauds and every president since the beginning of the House of Saud have played the game

     

    SA is an enigma - they do some good things and then they have factions that are not good for the USA. Alot of money goes to MBH factions but you have no idea who the real funders are. OBL family is one of SA richest - who knows what they do? the house of Saud may only do it to save their own skins - who knows???

     

    The Bush's made there mistakes - But funny thing is I have never hear any of the left really nail them down. And I am not going to help them - Clinton made his mistakes and Obama. well he  is just one  BIG MISTAKE.

     

    To say that SA is behind Hamas now is just plain irresponsible. - Isreali money went in to Gaza to help build houses and help the Gazans -  I am sure Egypt gave money too - but under the MBH not under Sissi- does that make them responsible? of course not!  SA, Egypt Jordan and the Emeriates are all non vocal backers of of Isreal against Hamas- Iran, Quatr and Hezbola (cause iran funds them) are backers of Hamas.

     

    Russia is a backer of Iran and China goes along for the ride - as they have usally een quiet and non leaders - hiding behind Russia skirts - until recently in the Pacific

     

    Your pictures are a pure distortion of what is going on there.

     

    So why didnt you show Obama bowing to this same Saudi King?

     

    So why dont you show the pictures of the MBH that has access to Obamas White House?

     

    Are you not honest? or do you have and Agenda?

     

     

     

    High Road

     

    What are you? a partisan zealot or a reasonable person who looks at the complexities?

     

    I am afraid of the ansswer - but will not be surprised

     

     

     

    . As it is SA, Egypt,

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    That is hilarious!!!

     

     

    So let me get this straight ... you started a thread based purely on your ideological ignorance of world affairs ... and then, when the reality of global politics is thrust in front of your face ... you make a long, disjointed, and often incorrect excuse for the previous wingnuts who supported Hamas ... which I correctly predicted you would ... but that circuitous route to your excuse only applies to the wingnuts ... libruls don't get to follow your same ideologically ignorant excuses ... thank gawd.

     

    So you have explained the alternate reality thinking of idiots like yourself ... you base your ire on the letter after the name regardless of all those 'facts' you posted ... because in your bass ackwards world excuses are for wingnuts and libruls are to be blamed for everything ... regardless of facts or history.

     

    And to top it off ... you throw in a "MBH in the Whitehouse" crazyarsed non-squitur for good measure ... as if to prove how off-the-wall you are ...

     

    Geepers, you crack me up.

     

    I have to say though ... all that rambling prose ... though sometimes contradictory ... is the best effort you've made in a long time to appear normal. I'll give you a B for effort on that one.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Pat's Fan lost in Jet Landyou are a joke high road you arent

     

    go drink your yellow pea colored koolade with the rest of you fascists. Just Another dirt bag 

    [/QUOTE]


    High-road must have taken a real zinger of a hit from the crack pipe when he woke up this morning. don't worry about him seawolf he's a coward. Just ask 46&2.

     
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    In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:


    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
    [QUOTE]


    In response to high-road's comment:


    [QUOTE]


     


     


    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
    [QUOTE]


     


    High Road


     


    It is so frustraing to see people deal from Loaded Decks day after day and this is no exception


     


    First - There are a: Sunni vs Sharia, Arab vs Persian, and Palestinian vs Isreal wars going on.  Then you have the wild card terrorsits -Hamas - sharia, Hezbolah - sunni.  Al Qudea - Sunni,  Muslim Bro Hood MBH a mess, ISIS- crack pot Sunni - and Kurds Sunni - but non players


     


    The ME is a complex , double dealing world - the Sauds and every president since the beginning of the House of Saud have played the game


     


    SA is an enigma - they do some good things and then they have factions that are not good for the USA. Alot of money goes to MBH factions but you have no idea who the real funders are. OBL family is one of SA richest - who knows what they do? the house of Saud may only do it to save their own skins - who knows???


     


    The Bush's made there mistakes - But funny thing is I have never hear any of the left really nail them down. And I am not going to help them - Clinton made his mistakes and Obama. well he  is just one  BIG MISTAKE.


     


    To say that SA is behind Hamas now is just plain irresponsible. - Isreali money went in to Gaza to help build houses and help the Gazans -  I am sure Egypt gave money too - but under the MBH not under Sissi- does that make them responsible? of course not!  SA, Egypt Jordan and the Emeriates are all non vocal backers of of Isreal against Hamas- Iran, Quatr and Hezbola (cause iran funds them) are backers of Hamas.


     


    Russia is a backer of Iran and China goes along for the ride - as they have usally een quiet and non leaders - hiding behind Russia skirts - until recently in the Pacific


     


    Your pictures are a pure distortion of what is going on there.


     


    So why didnt you show Obama bowing to this same Saudi King?


     


    So why dont you show the pictures of the MBH that has access to Obamas White House?


     


    Are you not honest? or do you have and Agenda?


     


     


     


    High Road


     


    What are you? a partisan zealot or a reasonable person who looks at the complexities?


     


    I am afraid of the ansswer - but will not be surprised


     


     


     


    . As it is SA, Egypt,


     


     





    That is hilarious!!!


     


     


    So let me get this straight ... you started a thread based purely on your ideological ignorance of world affairs ... and then, when the reality of global politics is thrust in front of your face ... you make a long, disjointed, and often incorrect excuse for the previous wingnuts who supported Hamas ... which I correctly predicted you would ... but that circuitous route to your excuse only applies to the wingnuts ... libruls don't get to follow your same ideologically ignorant excuses ... thank gawd.


     


    So you have explained the alternate reality thinking of idiots like yourself ... you base your ire on the letter after the name regardless of all those 'facts' you posted ... because in your bass ackwards world excuses are for wingnuts and libruls are to be blamed for everything ... regardless of facts or history.


     


    And to top it off ... you throw in a "MBH in the Whitehouse" crazyarsed non-squitur for good measure ... as if to prove how off-the-wall you are ...


     


    Geepers, you crack me up.


     


    I have to say though ... all that rambling prose ... though sometimes contradictory ... is the best effort you've made in a long time to appear normal. I'll give you a B for effort on that one.


     


    [/QUOTE]


    Pat's Fan lost in Jet Landyou are a joke high road you arent


     


    go drink your yellow pea colored koolade with the rest of you fascists. Just Another dirt bag 


    [/QUOTE]


    High-road must have taken a real zinger of a hit from the crack pipe when he woke up this morning. don't worry about him seawolf he's a coward. Just ask 46&2.


    [/QUOTE]


    He doesn't like being shown up for the hypocrite he is


    so far I have clearly counted 4here who smoke oholes little piece pipe


    There is no difference between Ohole and any dem, save the dem senators who say while running that they will stand up to Ohole, at least until they r elected


    there is no real difference between a : communist,socialist, fascist,progressive statist or today's liberal. All distinctions with out a difference. they are either they ones pulling the "con job""or the conned and need to be confronted for the dishonest dirt bags they are


    they have no policy that works, internationally our enemies laugh at Ohole and our friends don't trust him, economically they rail against the one per centers, while being one themselves, all the while knowing that their inside trading will keep them rich


    these people no longer deserve the respect of their opinions but be shamed for showing themselves as the pathetic hypocrites they are it then again they can not be shamed, they have too many cards missing fron their deck, and psychotics are unable to learn from their mistakes


     


     

     
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