Petraeus destroys Republicans fake Benghazi Scandal

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    Those on the right who are trying to make this into a scandal are simply engaging in partisan political games. Blaming Obama for the deaths in Benghazi is the equivalent of blaming Bush for 9/11. It's simply partisan games.


    I saw Ambassador Rice on all the talk shows the Sunday following the attack. It was very clear she was acting on the intelligence received. Heck..if I remember correctly there were no shortage of threads in this forum debating the video. The point is most people thought the same thing.  The administration had several credible reports that it was related to the protests over the video. If you stop and think about everything that was going on in the middle east over the course of those days..it's was a perfectly logical conclusion to make.

    Those on this site and on the media who are trying to come up with scandals and conspiracies are pathetic and with every word they type...they reveal how little they know about investigations and national security.


    In this matter...no one knows who knew what..and when..and where the breakdowns were.  Was it a breakdown in process..?? Or human error..?? Did someone lie/coverup..? I don't know the answer to any of these questions..and neither does anyone else on this site. I prefer to let the investigation take place first and then comment on the findings.



    Nobody is blaming the president for the 4 deaths.........or certainly I`m not.   It`s the cover up.  I would urge you to review the data (some of which is right here in today`s Globe).  You will clearly see that CIA results and report was "changed at the highest level to omit al Qaeda and terrorist attack".  It`s the cover up.



    This is really unbelievable.  If your stance is that the administration edited the CIA talking points to change terrorist or "Al Qaeda linked militants" to extremists, because it was better PR for the election - that's not outlandish.  I don't think that's what happened, but it's not a ridiculous angle to take.

    What is ridiculous is that for months you've been convinced that there was never any indication from the intelligence community that Benghazi was linked to Cairo or a youtube video.  The administration concocted a fairy tale to deny what was obvioiusly an Al Qaeda revenge killing for Osama bin Laden.  You have lived and died by this narrative and it's been disproved by the SAME TALKING POINTS you are now using to launch into your next narrative.  

    You can't have it both ways!  Either the talking points don't matter because the CIA was in on the coverup (some went so far as to suggest that Petraeus had been blackmailed into providing the original talking points) or the talking points were valid except for changing "Ansar al Sharia" to "extremists" (or a similar edit).

    If you're going to take the latter approach, then you have swallow the parts of the talking points that completely annihilate your narrative of the past two months.  This little nugget was in both versions, edited and unedited (a point made by Jonathan Karl on ABC's This Week, thank you very much) and BTW Petraeus signed off on the final version of the talking points, and was surprised the edit was even a cause for controversy ...

    The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. 

     

     
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    Re: Petraeus destroys Republicans fake Benghazi Scandal

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    Those on the right who are trying to make this into a scandal are simply engaging in partisan political games. Blaming Obama for the deaths in Benghazi is the equivalent of blaming Bush for 9/11. It's simply partisan games.


    I saw Ambassador Rice on all the talk shows the Sunday following the attack. It was very clear she was acting on the intelligence received. Heck..if I remember correctly there were no shortage of threads in this forum debating the video. The point is most people thought the same thing.  The administration had several credible reports that it was related to the protests over the video. If you stop and think about everything that was going on in the middle east over the course of those days..it's was a perfectly logical conclusion to make.

    Those on this site and on the media who are trying to come up with scandals and conspiracies are pathetic and with every word they type...they reveal how little they know about investigations and national security.


    In this matter...no one knows who knew what..and when..and where the breakdowns were.  Was it a breakdown in process..?? Or human error..?? Did someone lie/coverup..? I don't know the answer to any of these questions..and neither does anyone else on this site. I prefer to let the investigation take place first and then comment on the findings.



    Nobody is blaming the president for the 4 deaths.........or certainly I`m not.   It`s the cover up.  I would urge you to review the data (some of which is right here in today`s Globe).  You will clearly see that CIA results and report was "changed at the highest level to omit al Qaeda and terrorist attack".  It`s the cover up.



    This is really unbelievable.  If your stance is that the administration edited the CIA talking points to change terrorist or "Al Qaeda linked militants" to extremists, because it was better PR for the election - that's not outlandish.  I don't think that's what happened, but it's not a ridiculous angle to take.

    What is ridiculous is that for months you've been convinced that there was never any indication from the intelligence community that Benghazi was linked to Cairo or a youtube video.  The administration concocted a fairy tale to deny what was obvioiusly an Al Qaeda revenge killing for Osama bin Laden.  You have lived and died by this narrative and it's been disproved by the SAME TALKING POINTS you are now using to launch into your next narrative.  

    You can't have it both ways!  Either the talking points don't matter because the CIA was in on the coverup (some went so far as to suggest that Petraeus had been blackmailed into providing the original talking points) or the talking points were valid except for changing "Ansar al Sharia" to "extremists" (or a similar edit).

    If you're going to take the latter approach, then you have swallow the parts of the talking points that completely annihilate your narrative of the past two months.  This little nugget was in both versions, edited and unedited (a point made by Jonathan Karl on ABC's This Week, thank you very much) and BTW Petraeus signed off on the final version of the talking points, and was surprised the edit was even a cause for controversy ...

    The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. 

     



    So, why dod the White House edit the talking points?

     
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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    Those on the right who are trying to make this into a scandal are simply engaging in partisan political games. Blaming Obama for the deaths in Benghazi is the equivalent of blaming Bush for 9/11. It's simply partisan games.


    I saw Ambassador Rice on all the talk shows the Sunday following the attack. It was very clear she was acting on the intelligence received. Heck..if I remember correctly there were no shortage of threads in this forum debating the video. The point is most people thought the same thing.  The administration had several credible reports that it was related to the protests over the video. If you stop and think about everything that was going on in the middle east over the course of those days..it's was a perfectly logical conclusion to make.

    Those on this site and on the media who are trying to come up with scandals and conspiracies are pathetic and with every word they type...they reveal how little they know about investigations and national security.


    In this matter...no one knows who knew what..and when..and where the breakdowns were.  Was it a breakdown in process..?? Or human error..?? Did someone lie/coverup..? I don't know the answer to any of these questions..and neither does anyone else on this site. I prefer to let the investigation take place first and then comment on the findings.



    Nobody is blaming the president for the 4 deaths.........or certainly I`m not.   It`s the cover up.  I would urge you to review the data (some of which is right here in today`s Globe).  You will clearly see that CIA results and report was "changed at the highest level to omit al Qaeda and terrorist attack".  It`s the cover up.



    This is really unbelievable.  If your stance is that the administration edited the CIA talking points to change terrorist or "Al Qaeda linked militants" to extremists, because it was better PR for the election - that's not outlandish.  I don't think that's what happened, but it's not a ridiculous angle to take.

    What is ridiculous is that for months you've been convinced that there was never any indication from the intelligence community that Benghazi was linked to Cairo or a youtube video.  The administration concocted a fairy tale to deny what was obvioiusly an Al Qaeda revenge killing for Osama bin Laden.  You have lived and died by this narrative and it's been disproved by the SAME TALKING POINTS you are now using to launch into your next narrative.  

    You can't have it both ways!  Either the talking points don't matter because the CIA was in on the coverup (some went so far as to suggest that Petraeus had been blackmailed into providing the original talking points) or the talking points were valid except for changing "Ansar al Sharia" to "extremists" (or a similar edit).

    If you're going to take the latter approach, then you have swallow the parts of the talking points that completely annihilate your narrative of the past two months.  This little nugget was in both versions, edited and unedited (a point made by Jonathan Karl on ABC's This Week, thank you very much) and BTW Petraeus signed off on the final version of the talking points, and was surprised the edit was even a cause for controversy ...

    The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. 

     



    So, why dod the White House edit the talking points?



    I don't think they did - I think they're telling the truth and the talking points were edited before they reached the administration.

    But if they did edit the talking points, is this what you were talking about as a bigger scandal than Watergate?  Changing "terrorist" to "extremist" in a CIA talking points memo?

    Skeeter - you're on record saying the CIA was involved in the coverup, and Petraeus was blackmailed to back up the administrations narrative.  Are you really going to pivot to minutia on talking points without a gigantic mea culpa?

     

     
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    Everyone loves a good fake scandal.  Why should this be any different?

    The administration has been one of the most scandal-free in recent memory, and some in the gop just can't stand it.  Nothing they've tried has been able to stick, and anything that has stuck has been small potatoes.

     

     

     
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    Re: Petraeus destroys Republicans fake Benghazi Scandal

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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Everyone loves a good fake scandal.  Why should this be any different?

    The administration has been one of the most scandal-free in recent memory, and some in the gop just can't stand it.  Nothing they've tried has been able to stick, and anything that has stuck has been small potatoes.

     

     




    Denial behooves you... and Barry bo.



    What, exactly, am I denying...?  That sometimes politicians speak in half-truths...?

    Here's my shocked face -    :^O

    Maybe you're the one in denial.

     

     
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    Re: Petraeus destroys Republicans fake Benghazi Scandal

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    Those on the right who are trying to make this into a scandal are simply engaging in partisan political games. Blaming Obama for the deaths in Benghazi is the equivalent of blaming Bush for 9/11. It's simply partisan games.


    I saw Ambassador Rice on all the talk shows the Sunday following the attack. It was very clear she was acting on the intelligence received. Heck..if I remember correctly there were no shortage of threads in this forum debating the video. The point is most people thought the same thing.  The administration had several credible reports that it was related to the protests over the video. If you stop and think about everything that was going on in the middle east over the course of those days..it's was a perfectly logical conclusion to make.

    Those on this site and on the media who are trying to come up with scandals and conspiracies are pathetic and with every word they type...they reveal how little they know about investigations and national security.


    In this matter...no one knows who knew what..and when..and where the breakdowns were.  Was it a breakdown in process..?? Or human error..?? Did someone lie/coverup..? I don't know the answer to any of these questions..and neither does anyone else on this site. I prefer to let the investigation take place first and then comment on the findings.



    Nobody is blaming the president for the 4 deaths.........or certainly I`m not.   It`s the cover up.  I would urge you to review the data (some of which is right here in today`s Globe).  You will clearly see that CIA results and report was "changed at the highest level to omit al Qaeda and terrorist attack".  It`s the cover up.



    This is really unbelievable.  If your stance is that the administration edited the CIA talking points to change terrorist or "Al Qaeda linked militants" to extremists, because it was better PR for the election - that's not outlandish.  I don't think that's what happened, but it's not a ridiculous angle to take.

    What is ridiculous is that for months you've been convinced that there was never any indication from the intelligence community that Benghazi was linked to Cairo or a youtube video.  The administration concocted a fairy tale to deny what was obvioiusly an Al Qaeda revenge killing for Osama bin Laden.  You have lived and died by this narrative and it's been disproved by the SAME TALKING POINTS you are now using to launch into your next narrative.  

    You can't have it both ways!  Either the talking points don't matter because the CIA was in on the coverup (some went so far as to suggest that Petraeus had been blackmailed into providing the original talking points) or the talking points were valid except for changing "Ansar al Sharia" to "extremists" (or a similar edit).

    If you're going to take the latter approach, then you have swallow the parts of the talking points that completely annihilate your narrative of the past two months.  This little nugget was in both versions, edited and unedited (a point made by Jonathan Karl on ABC's This Week, thank you very much) and BTW Petraeus signed off on the final version of the talking points, and was surprised the edit was even a cause for controversy ...

    The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. 

     



    So, why dod the White House edit the talking points?



    I don't think they did - I think they're telling the truth and the talking points were edited before they reached the administration.

    But if they did edit the talking points, is this what you were talking about as a bigger scandal than Watergate?  Changing "terrorist" to "extremist" in a CIA talking points memo?

    Skeeter - you're on record saying the CIA was involved in the coverup, and Petraeus was blackmailed to back up the administrations narrative.  Are you really going to pivot to minutia on talking points without a gigantic mea culpa?

     



    That the white house editied the talking points that the CIA provided, that isn't really  in dispute, is it?  I mean, who could have edited the talking points?  The courier?  The mailman?  Doesn't pass the sniff test.

    I never said that the CIA was invovled in the cover up, I simply pointed out what any sane person would, that Petraeus was compromised, and looks like I was correct.

    Still, I am left asking:  Who cooked up the false video narrative and why?  Don't you want the answer to that?

     
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    The GOP needs alot of this because they are becoming unglued.



     

     


    Frankly, I think the problem is that they've inhaled far too much of it.



    And liberals have eaten too much of it.

     
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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

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    The GOP needs alot of this because they are becoming unglued.



     

     


    Frankly, I think the problem is that they've inhaled far too much of it.



    And liberals have eaten too much of it.




    skeeter you got me there..... there isn't a come back for .... and liberals have eaten too much of it.

     

     
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    The early formation of the mushroom cloud.

    "Oh look" is that the mushroom cloud we were looking for ?

    BTW it's even fun poking fun at the righties anymore !

     
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    Guess you`re missing where EVERYONE on both sides are calling for an investigation.

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    Everyone?  I think not.

     
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    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    Those on the right who are trying to make this into a scandal are simply engaging in partisan political games. Blaming Obama for the deaths in Benghazi is the equivalent of blaming Bush for 9/11. It's simply partisan games.


    I saw Ambassador Rice on all the talk shows the Sunday following the attack. It was very clear she was acting on the intelligence received. Heck..if I remember correctly there were no shortage of threads in this forum debating the video. The point is most people thought the same thing.  The administration had several credible reports that it was related to the protests over the video. If you stop and think about everything that was going on in the middle east over the course of those days..it's was a perfectly logical conclusion to make.

    Those on this site and on the media who are trying to come up with scandals and conspiracies are pathetic and with every word they type...they reveal how little they know about investigations and national security.


    In this matter...no one knows who knew what..and when..and where the breakdowns were.  Was it a breakdown in process..?? Or human error..?? Did someone lie/coverup..? I don't know the answer to any of these questions..and neither does anyone else on this site. I prefer to let the investigation take place first and then comment on the findings.



    Nobody is blaming the president for the 4 deaths.........or certainly I`m not.   It`s the cover up.  I would urge you to review the data (some of which is right here in today`s Globe).  You will clearly see that CIA results and report was "changed at the highest level to omit al Qaeda and terrorist attack".  It`s the cover up.



    This is really unbelievable.  If your stance is that the administration edited the CIA talking points to change terrorist or "Al Qaeda linked militants" to extremists, because it was better PR for the election - that's not outlandish.  I don't think that's what happened, but it's not a ridiculous angle to take.

    What is ridiculous is that for months you've been convinced that there was never any indication from the intelligence community that Benghazi was linked to Cairo or a youtube video.  The administration concocted a fairy tale to deny what was obvioiusly an Al Qaeda revenge killing for Osama bin Laden.  You have lived and died by this narrative and it's been disproved by the SAME TALKING POINTS you are now using to launch into your next narrative.  

    You can't have it both ways!  Either the talking points don't matter because the CIA was in on the coverup (some went so far as to suggest that Petraeus had been blackmailed into providing the original talking points) or the talking points were valid except for changing "Ansar al Sharia" to "extremists" (or a similar edit).

    If you're going to take the latter approach, then you have swallow the parts of the talking points that completely annihilate your narrative of the past two months.  This little nugget was in both versions, edited and unedited (a point made by Jonathan Karl on ABC's This Week, thank you very much) and BTW Petraeus signed off on the final version of the talking points, and was surprised the edit was even a cause for controversy ...

    The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the US Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the US diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. 

     



    How many times do you need to see and hear UNDENIABLE PROOF that Patreaus and the CIA operatives on the ground signed off on talking points (talking points that they were told were final) and then THOSE TALKING POINTS WERE CHANGED AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE US GOVERNMENT!!!!  Gawd............you don`t seem to be a dumb person (most of the time).  And, don`t put words in my mouth. I never said "revenge for bin Laden", ever.  I`ve said from day 1.....this was a terrorist attack.  A terrorist attack that the CIA knew about, Hillary knew about, Patreaus knew about, Jay Carney knew about, Libyan officials knew about, and the Incompetent knew about.  If you didn`t know..............well, you`re either lying or maybe you ARE a dumb person.



     

    You're just mistaken - Petraeus signed off on the EDITED talking points.  The big "controversy" now is that "terrorist" was changed to "extremist".  Whoa - move over Watergate!  Nothing about the spontaneous response to Cairo is in dispute.

     

    CBS News obtained the CIA talking points given both to Rice and members of the House intelligence committee on Sept. 15, and they make no specific reference to "terrorism" being a likely factor in the assault. However, they did indicate that "extremists participated in the violent demonstrations."

     

    Conrad said Rice "did completely the appropriate thing."

     

    "She used the unclassified talking points that were signed off on by the entire intelligence community," Conrad said. "There are other things that are classified. That's a totally different subject."

     

     
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    Can't imagine Bush waiting 12 weeks to answer the American people on a TERROR ATTACK...

     

    but then again this imposter has something to hide.



    Hey Mr No Mo O, America and the world is still waiting for answers concerning the PDB of 8/6/01 titled; bin Laden determined to strike inside the U.S. and why dubya didn't do anything to protect the citizens of the USA ! 

     
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    jmel, lay off the kool aid .  You know you are suppose to give credit to who every wrote your  last comment. BTW the empty threat of the last statement that you cut and pasted , "the full power of the constitution must be brought to bear" means nada . Have you ever heard of executive privilege ?

     
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