Politics aside, who really shut down ther government?

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                     THE REPUBLICANS! EOM!

     
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    Re: Politics aside, who really shut down ther government?

    Sowell is probably lying to protect Boehner too.

     

     
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    What if all of your wildest dreams came true?  What if Obama cowered to Boehner and agreed to gut Obamacare and drastically cut spending to raise the debt ceiling?  What if he by some tear in the fabric of reality convinced a dozen Senate Dems and say 20% of the American people to go along?  

    What if all of this happened, but Harry Reid wouldn't allow the vote.  Would you then blame the GOP?

     

     
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    Both sides are at fault. However, the president share be a leader and fix this. This was going to be one of skills sets and why many voted for him. Bridge the gap Mr President no matter tough it may be, it's your job. 

     
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    Does anyone want to address the points being made by Mr. Sowell or is it enough to just dismiss him due to his conservative background?

     

     
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    In response to andiejen's comment:
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    What a shock! An aricle written by Thomas Sowell of the Hoover Institution blames President Obama and the Democrats for the government shutdown.

    The Hoover Institution is a conservative[2][3][4] American public policy think tank located at Stanford University in California. It is part of the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace, a library founded in 1919 by Republican Herbert Hoover, Stanford's self-proclaimed first student,[5]before he became President of the United States. The library, known as the Hoover Institution Library and Archives, houses multiple archives related to Hoover, World War IWorld War II, and other world history

     

    So a fellow at a conservative American public policy think tank blames Obama and the Democrats for the shutdown. 

    Well....my mind is changed already.

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    You are so open minded.

    Sowell simply lays out the facts.  You can ignore them if you want. After all, the media is ignoring the facts as well.

    like how the ACA technically started in the house, by completely removing the house bill, everything but the number, and attaching it to the Senate bill, the left lies and schemes much better than the right.

     
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    Sowell is absolutely correct in his statements concerning the branches of office and the consitution.

    That being said; we need leaders in Washington, that know how to govern by bringing the parties together for the good of the PEOPLE not continue to cater to party politics, political donors and vindictive, childish "they started it, they did it first, they are........." type BS!!

    Grow up, grow a pair, and do your f-n job!!

     
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    The House passed a CR that the Senate immediately voted on, passed with amendments and returned to the House for vote.  This was the very first CR.

    So pointing out 7 additional CRs since - what is the point, if the first never comes to vote in the House?  Is it that the Senate should pass a House CR with no amendments?  Is that Boehner's idea of negotiating? 

    I'd really like a conservative to answer my question - if the President, a majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate all agreed on a way to re-open the government, but Harry Reid would not allow the vote - would you call that bi-partisan gridlock?

     

     
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    or is it enough to just dismiss him due to his conservative background?

     

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    Funny how you fail to ask that whenever your fellow conservatives dismiss a source due to its liberal background. Ah well. Can't post in every thread, I guess...  

     
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    [QUOTE]Funny how you fail to ask that whenever your fellow conservatives dismiss a source due to its liberal background. Ah well. Can't post in every thread, I guess...   [/QUOTE]

    Tis true, I am rather selective.

     

     
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    Re: Politics aside, who really shut down ther government?

    And substantively, Sewell is simply misguided.

     

     

     

    He is right about the division of powers, but is ignoring the elephant in the room: The time to fight over spending is at the time the spending is being authorized. Not when it comes time to pay the bills you already ran up.

    What they are doing is dangerous and childish. The fact that they don't like Obamacare doesn't make it O.K.

     

     

     

    If Repbulicans want to get rid of Obamacare at this point, they now need to win enough elections to be able to repeal it. This is the wrong way to go about things. Period.

     
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    Re: Politics aside, who really shut down ther government?

    Your mother.

     

     
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    maybe we should default.  Then, maybe the incompetent himself might have to lose the "I will not negotiate" BS, and come to the table.

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    Anyone who thinks we should default has literally no concept of finance or business. Or anything, really.

     

     
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    Both sides are at fault. However, the president share be a leader and fix this. This was going to be one of skills sets and why many voted for him. Bridge the gap Mr President no matter tough it may be, it's your job. 

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    His job is to sign or veto bills that come to his desk by whatever means the congress gets them there.

    All of this is congressional sausage-making at its worst.

     

     

     
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    BTW, gotta love a political op-ed that puts "politics aside"...

    ...then claims it's all about politics.

     

    That's magical thinking for ya....

     

     
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    And substantively, Sewell is simply misguided.

     

     

    The time to fight over spending is at the time the spending is being authorized. Not when it comes time to pay the bills you already ran up.

     

    One party was completely shutout of the "fight" so, now they have said; we will use our constitutional powers to "fight" this way since you did not give a voice in the original process of writing the bill!

     

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    One party was completely shutout of the "fight"

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    1. You are lying. Airborne indicated R amendments that were included.

    2. As you know perfectly well, that "one party" swore to oppose everything Obama did - that includes Obamacare, you pathetic tool - in order to break him and make him a one term president.

     


    Now they're going to cry that they weren't included anyway? AYFKM? or are you just a liar and a partisan hack?

     
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    Re: Politics aside, who really shut down ther government?

    Nevermind that even if tvoter wasn't lying, it wouldn't excuse the Republicans in hurting ALL of us to try to get their way.

    The means do not justify the ends.

     
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