Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    Plan B should have passed.  The GOP 2010 Tea Party Conservatives are showing their irrelevance.  They may be able to stop a limited compromise to feel pure but the next vote will cement their fate as not being part of the solution.



    Well, my friend, I actually disagree.  It is the establisment republicans that have proven their irrelevance. They failed to win the election with their nearly-a-democrat candiate.

    To the extent that the TEA party is irrelevant  it is because the establishment republicans still think they can deal with Obama and don't need the TEA party.

     
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        No....We go over the "cliff".  Republicans take the blame!



    Didn't they set it up, thinking the trap would work?



    No.  Could have been avoided a year ago (by Obama).  If we go "over the cliff", and 6 months from now America is in worse financial shape than the incompetent has it in now.........do you really believe it will be the Republicans blamed?   Maybe 53% will still blame Bush?

     




    A recent Reuters poll suggests that Republicans will get twice the blame that Obama gets.  More importantly, since Obama is not up for re-election in 2014, they will receive four times the blame of congressional Dems.  I can see Obama willing to sacrifice another 2 years if it means full control of both houses in 2015.  

    Of course, if Republicans cave now, many will be primaried by tea-partiers in 2014, which will also result in Dem gains. 

    So there's not much reason for Obama to negotiate - either the Republicans give him everything he wants, and they lose the house in 2014, or they intentionally derail a fragile economy, and lose the house in 2014.

    You think you hear a lot of blame for Bush now - imagine the narrative if Republicans force the fiscal cliff.  Not only did they drive us into the ditch in the first place, they shot the tow truck driver before we got back onto the road!  And why?  So a handful of millionaires could avoid a portfolio hit?  

     

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:

    In response to Firewind's comment:

    a)  Yes

    b)  Maybe

    c)  Doubtful

    d)  No



    d) No  I don't think Boneher is capable of passing a bill, and I don't think the crazy wing of the GOP (the Tea Baggers) wants to pass a bill. 



    Hey stupid.........at least do a google search of the numbers in the House and the Senate before you post your despicable, disgusting,and, well.........retarded comments.  There`s 535 members of Congress, 68 of them are (questionable) Tea Party.  Thanks again for proving what a moron you are.  Aren`t you sick of being a laughing stock?




    Well..here we are on the eve of the fiscal cliff and funny..the original question doesn't even apply anymore. Boehner couldn't even pass his own plan in the House. I doubt we see him back as Speaker. He has very little power over his own party and his ability to lead the GOP has been diminished ever since the earmark reform took place. ( kind of funny that it has hamstrung the GOP more than the Dems..but that is another conversation.

    Hey Jmel..I guess the fact that you are posting foolish pictures indicates that you feel you lost the debate? I actually thought you were better than that.

    Over the weekend, it appears that the Executive Branch as well as the Senate lost all hope of Boehner and the House getting anything done. It seems that they are now prepared to take matters into their own hands.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Plan B should have passed.  The GOP 2010 Tea Party Conservatives are showing their irrelevance.  They may be able to stop a limited compromise to feel pure but the next vote will cement their fate as not being part of the solution.



    Well, my friend, I actually disagree.  It is the establisment republicans that have proven their irrelevance. They failed to win the election with their nearly-a-democrat candiate.

    To the extent that the TEA party is irrelevant  it is because the establishment republicans still think they can deal with Obama and don't need the TEA party.




    Romney bought and paid for the GOP nomination. The GOP was stuck with a candidate that they couldn't stand themselves. If this wasn't an "ah-ha" moment for them..then I don't know what is. Most experts..including GOP analysts agree that unless the GOP gets it's collective act together, they are in danger of becoming a regional party instead of a national force.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    In response to jmel's comment:

    In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:

    In response to Firewind's comment:

    a)  Yes

    b)  Maybe

    c)  Doubtful

    d)  No



    d) No  I don't think Boneher is capable of passing a bill, and I don't think the crazy wing of the GOP (the Tea Baggers) wants to pass a bill. 



    Hey stupid.........at least do a google search of the numbers in the House and the Senate before you post your despicable, disgusting,and, well.........retarded comments.  There`s 535 members of Congress, 68 of them are (questionable) Tea Party.  Thanks again for proving what a moron you are.  Aren`t you sick of being a laughing stock?




    Well..here we are on the eve of the fiscal cliff and funny..the original question doesn't even apply anymore. Boehner couldn't even pass his own plan in the House. I doubt we see him back as Speaker. He has very little power over his own party and his ability to lead the GOP has been diminished ever since the earmark reform took place. ( kind of funny that it has hamstrung the GOP more than the Dems..but that is another conversation.

    Hey Jmel..I guess the fact that you are posting foolish pictures indicates that you feel you lost the debate? I actually thought you were better than that.

    Over the weekend, it appears that the Executive Branch as well as the Senate lost all hope of Boehner and the House getting anything done. It seems that they are now prepared to take matters into their own hands.



    Yah, you`re probably right..........not!  A small majority of Republicans in the House ONLY are responsible for something that OBummer and the DumboRats have ignored for 3 years.  Also, Obama`s 2 attempts at budgets BOTH failed in the (Democrat controlled) Senate 97-0.  The Rats are trying to force tax increases on hard-working Americans that will result in approximately $60 billion per year as we OWE $1.4 TRILLION per year,.......or, in other words, a spit into the Atlantic.  NOTHING will be accomplished until this incompetent president, the worst in history, comes to the table with spending cuts.  EVERYONE knows this and ALL polls reflect it.

     




    I guess I'm still having trouble trying to understand what you were hoping to add to the debate by posting the picture?

     

    I want the president to talk about spending cuts too. The problem is we differ where those cuts should be. The GOP wants them to come on the backs of the poor...I on the other hand..want them to come on the backs of the multi-national corporations and industries that are bleeding this country dry.

    Meanwhile..I am okay with letting the Bush tax cuts expire. The were irresponsible to begin with..and they were only supposed to be temporary.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    In response to AlleyCatBruin's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Plan B should have passed.  The GOP 2010 Tea Party Conservatives are showing their irrelevance.  They may be able to stop a limited compromise to feel pure but the next vote will cement their fate as not being part of the solution.



    Well, my friend, I actually disagree.  It is the establisment republicans that have proven their irrelevance. They failed to win the election with their nearly-a-democrat candiate.

    To the extent that the TEA party is irrelevant  it is because the establishment republicans still think they can deal with Obama and don't need the TEA party.




    Romney bought and paid for the GOP nomination. The GOP was stuck with a candidate that they couldn't stand themselves. If this wasn't an "ah-ha" moment for them..then I don't know what is. Most experts..including GOP analysts agree that unless the GOP gets it's collective act together, they are in danger of becoming a regional party instead of a national force.



    Welcome back, miscricket!




    Thanks Captain!! :-)

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    Does anybody find it ironic that the tea party's core (only?) message was no new taxes at a time when taxes were being cut, and now they are the primary cause for everybody's taxes increasing?  That's got to hurt their brand.

     

     
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    Does anybody find it ironic that the tea party's core (only?) message was no new taxes at a time when taxes were being cut, and now they are the primary cause for everybody's taxes increasing?  That's got to hurt their brand.

     



    Really? You think what you said has any merit?  Are you that clueless? Obama care, for example, has 26 new taxes, most hitting the middle class.  So, at best, Obama has optically lowered taxes by shifting some of the income taxes on the low end into other forms.  Overall, Obama wants more revenue, which last time I checked, means the middle clas will be taxed more.

     

    additionally, the TEA party has also focused on spending cuts, specifically targeting Obama's massive deficit spending aimed at keeping public unions happy.

    oh, BTW: looks looked Reid just stepped into it, not offering a response to Bohner's proposal yesterday.  Looks like the Democrats are the obstructionists now.  Wouldn't you agree?

     
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    Does anybody find it ironic that the tea party's core (only?) message was no new taxes at a time when taxes were being cut, and now they are the primary cause for everybody's taxes increasing?  That's got to hurt their brand.

     



    Really? You think what you said has any merit?  Are you that clueless? Obama care, for example, has 26 new taxes, most hitting the middle class.  So, at best, Obama has optically lowered taxes by shifting some of the income taxes on the low end into other forms.  Overall, Obama wants more revenue, which last time I checked, means the middle clas will be taxed more.

     

    additionally, the TEA party has also focused on spending cuts, specifically targeting Obama's massive deficit spending aimed at keeping public unions happy.

    oh, BTW: looks looked Reid just stepped into it, not offering a response to Bohner's proposal yesterday.  Looks like the Democrats are the obstructionists now.  Wouldn't you agree?



    Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, included the 'make work pay' tax cuts in the stimulus bill, and enacted a payroll tax holiday on Social Security.  If the Republicans came to the table today, they could extend the tax holiday and make the Bush tax cuts permanent for everybody for the first $250K of income.  But they won't.  Why?  Because of the tea party.

    Some of the tea party folks focused on spending cuts - that's what was so beautiful about the movement.  One idiot had a "how will we pay for all this" sign, next to another idiot with a "Taxed Enough Already" sign, next to another idiot with a "keep government out of my medicare" sign.  Some movement - I've had bowel movements with more substance :)

    Sorry Skeeter - "not offering a response" is not going to deflect the blame.  The polling says that Republicans will shoulder the blame, and once again look like grade A a55-holes who can't give the slightest concession.  Everybody is going to see this as the Republicans protecting the 1% at the expense of the 99%.  

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    "But they won't.  Why?  Because of the tea party."

     

    They won`t because Obama and the Dems are offering nothing.  Zero, Zilch..........a "promise" of spending cuts to come next year.  That`s not a compromise.

     And, do you really think that 6-9 months from now, when we`re in another deep recession, unemployment is back around 10%, no jobs anywhere..........that the 53% blame Bush crowd will be blaming Republicans?




    Yeah, I do.  I think it will be more like 15 months, which will really make it a mid-term issue.  And I think you'll see more record quarter profits from Exxon-Mobile and Walmart, and you will see a lot of people wondering why so many Republicans fought so hard for so few people who also just happened to be filthy rich.

    What do you think will happen when that 1% gets even richer while the rest of the country scratches and claws?  Every week, you'll see Harry Reid trying to pass tax cuts for the first 250K of income - tax cuts for everyone!  And it won't even come to vote in the House.

    What's the Republican argument - yeah, we lost the election, largely on this issue, but we're still digging in and demanding spending cuts that we refuse to define?

     

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    "But they won't.  Why?  Because of the tea party."

     

    They won`t because Obama and the Dems are offering nothing.  Zero, Zilch..........a "promise" of spending cuts to come next year.  That`s not a compromise.

     And, do you really think that 6-9 months from now, when we`re in another deep recession, unemployment is back around 10%, no jobs anywhere..........that the 53% blame Bush crowd will be blaming Republicans?




    Yeah, I do.  I think it will be more like 15 months, which will really make it a mid-term issue.  And I think you'll see more record quarter profits from Exxon-Mobile and Walmart, and you will see a lot of people wondering why so many Republicans fought so hard for so few people who also just happened to be filthy rich.

    What do you think will happen when that 1% gets even richer while the rest of the country scratches and claws?  Every week, you'll see Harry Reid trying to pass tax cuts for the first 250K of income - tax cuts for everyone!  And it won't even come to vote in the House.

    What's the Republican argument - yeah, we lost the election, largely on this issue, but we're still digging in and demanding spending cuts that we refuse to define?

     



    "yeah, we lost the election, largely on this issue, but we're still digging in and demanding spending cuts that we refuse to define?"

    I respect your opinion and I don`t disagree.  The electorate, as proven on Nov 6th, can be easily manipulated into believing anything.  But...........

    the election was lost due to lazy, dumb, gimme-people, wanting more EBT, food stamps, welfare, and free cell phones.  Do you really think the people (with very few exceptions) that voted for this dolt, pay taxes?  Do you think they know or care what a tax cut is?  Do you think they are aware of anything other than the catch phrases you`ve mentioned......."99% vs 1%" and "tax cuts for the rich"?

    When we have $22 trillion debt, 30 million out of work, Obamacare taxes kicked in, and the incompetent golfing...........will it still be the party with a small majority in ONE house`s fault? If it is.........this country is in trouble.

     As a side note..........$250k is not rich.  The Dem plan would have those making $250k pay 13,000 more per year or more than 1000 per month.  Is that "fair" when 47% pays no taxes at all?  If 47% pays nothing, and $100k per year puts you in the Top 5%, is there that much difference between 1%, 2%, 5%?   Why the divide?  There`s always been rich people, there will always be.  They pay the bulk of all taxes.  We could tax them at 100% and it would amount to a pimple on the butt of the yearly deficit.  If we tax at 100% those making 250k and up, we would see about $80 billion in revenue.  We have a $1.04 TRILLION yearly deficit.  It would be .08cents on every dollar of DEBT (not operating expense.......DEBT).

    There has to be spending cuts and they have to be huge.

    Happy New Year.  Be safe. No driving.



    I have been arguing all along there needs to be not only big spending cuts, but large cuts in taxation at all levels, in all areas, including fees and licenses.  We are deluding ourselves into thinking that revenue is an issue here.  Increased revenue is a by-product of a strong economy, not jacking up the rates.

    Try this on for size.  You max out your personal credit card, buying items you can't afford, because you spend every cent of your paycheck on food, paying the minimum on the credit card.  You decide you want to treat your wife to dinner every Friday night, but that cost a $100 you don't have.  You borrow a hundred bucks from a friend to cover the meal.  Every week you go to that friend and borrow another hundred.  At the end of the year, your credit card is still maxxed out, and you owe your friend $5,200.  

    Do you stop taking your wife out for dinner and instead you both get an extra job on Fridays to pay down the debt, or do you keep borrowing from your friend?

    Do you have a spending problem, or a revenue problem?

    You have both.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    Chances of Speaker Boehner reaching a deal before midnight tonight within his own caucus? Less then zero.

     
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