Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    Does anybody find it ironic that the tea party's core (only?) message was no new taxes at a time when taxes were being cut, and now they are the primary cause for everybody's taxes increasing?  That's got to hurt their brand.

     



    Really? You think what you said has any merit?  Are you that clueless? Obama care, for example, has 26 new taxes, most hitting the middle class.  So, at best, Obama has optically lowered taxes by shifting some of the income taxes on the low end into other forms.  Overall, Obama wants more revenue, which last time I checked, means the middle clas will be taxed more.

     

    additionally, the TEA party has also focused on spending cuts, specifically targeting Obama's massive deficit spending aimed at keeping public unions happy.

    oh, BTW: looks looked Reid just stepped into it, not offering a response to Bohner's proposal yesterday.  Looks like the Democrats are the obstructionists now.  Wouldn't you agree?



    Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, included the 'make work pay' tax cuts in the stimulus bill, and enacted a payroll tax holiday on Social Security.  If the Republicans came to the table today, they could extend the tax holiday and make the Bush tax cuts permanent for everybody for the first $250K of income.  But they won't.  Why?  Because of the tea party.

    Some of the tea party folks focused on spending cuts - that's what was so beautiful about the movement.  One idiot had a "how will we pay for all this" sign, next to another idiot with a "Taxed Enough Already" sign, next to another idiot with a "keep government out of my medicare" sign.  Some movement - I've had bowel movements with more substance :)

    Sorry Skeeter - "not offering a response" is not going to deflect the blame.  The polling says that Republicans will shoulder the blame, and once again look like grade A a55-holes who can't give the slightest concession.  Everybody is going to see this as the Republicans protecting the 1% at the expense of the 99%.  

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    "But they won't.  Why?  Because of the tea party."

     

    They won`t because Obama and the Dems are offering nothing.  Zero, Zilch..........a "promise" of spending cuts to come next year.  That`s not a compromise.

     And, do you really think that 6-9 months from now, when we`re in another deep recession, unemployment is back around 10%, no jobs anywhere..........that the 53% blame Bush crowd will be blaming Republicans?




    Yeah, I do.  I think it will be more like 15 months, which will really make it a mid-term issue.  And I think you'll see more record quarter profits from Exxon-Mobile and Walmart, and you will see a lot of people wondering why so many Republicans fought so hard for so few people who also just happened to be filthy rich.

    What do you think will happen when that 1% gets even richer while the rest of the country scratches and claws?  Every week, you'll see Harry Reid trying to pass tax cuts for the first 250K of income - tax cuts for everyone!  And it won't even come to vote in the House.

    What's the Republican argument - yeah, we lost the election, largely on this issue, but we're still digging in and demanding spending cuts that we refuse to define?

     

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to jmel's comment:

    "But they won't.  Why?  Because of the tea party."

     

    They won`t because Obama and the Dems are offering nothing.  Zero, Zilch..........a "promise" of spending cuts to come next year.  That`s not a compromise.

     And, do you really think that 6-9 months from now, when we`re in another deep recession, unemployment is back around 10%, no jobs anywhere..........that the 53% blame Bush crowd will be blaming Republicans?




    Yeah, I do.  I think it will be more like 15 months, which will really make it a mid-term issue.  And I think you'll see more record quarter profits from Exxon-Mobile and Walmart, and you will see a lot of people wondering why so many Republicans fought so hard for so few people who also just happened to be filthy rich.

    What do you think will happen when that 1% gets even richer while the rest of the country scratches and claws?  Every week, you'll see Harry Reid trying to pass tax cuts for the first 250K of income - tax cuts for everyone!  And it won't even come to vote in the House.

    What's the Republican argument - yeah, we lost the election, largely on this issue, but we're still digging in and demanding spending cuts that we refuse to define?

     



    "yeah, we lost the election, largely on this issue, but we're still digging in and demanding spending cuts that we refuse to define?"

    I respect your opinion and I don`t disagree.  The electorate, as proven on Nov 6th, can be easily manipulated into believing anything.  But...........

    the election was lost due to lazy, dumb, gimme-people, wanting more EBT, food stamps, welfare, and free cell phones.  Do you really think the people (with very few exceptions) that voted for this dolt, pay taxes?  Do you think they know or care what a tax cut is?  Do you think they are aware of anything other than the catch phrases you`ve mentioned......."99% vs 1%" and "tax cuts for the rich"?

    When we have $22 trillion debt, 30 million out of work, Obamacare taxes kicked in, and the incompetent golfing...........will it still be the party with a small majority in ONE house`s fault? If it is.........this country is in trouble.

     As a side note..........$250k is not rich.  The Dem plan would have those making $250k pay 13,000 more per year or more than 1000 per month.  Is that "fair" when 47% pays no taxes at all?  If 47% pays nothing, and $100k per year puts you in the Top 5%, is there that much difference between 1%, 2%, 5%?   Why the divide?  There`s always been rich people, there will always be.  They pay the bulk of all taxes.  We could tax them at 100% and it would amount to a pimple on the butt of the yearly deficit.  If we tax at 100% those making 250k and up, we would see about $80 billion in revenue.  We have a $1.04 TRILLION yearly deficit.  It would be .08cents on every dollar of DEBT (not operating expense.......DEBT).

    There has to be spending cuts and they have to be huge.

    Happy New Year.  Be safe. No driving.



    I have been arguing all along there needs to be not only big spending cuts, but large cuts in taxation at all levels, in all areas, including fees and licenses.  We are deluding ourselves into thinking that revenue is an issue here.  Increased revenue is a by-product of a strong economy, not jacking up the rates.

    Try this on for size.  You max out your personal credit card, buying items you can't afford, because you spend every cent of your paycheck on food, paying the minimum on the credit card.  You decide you want to treat your wife to dinner every Friday night, but that cost a $100 you don't have.  You borrow a hundred bucks from a friend to cover the meal.  Every week you go to that friend and borrow another hundred.  At the end of the year, your credit card is still maxxed out, and you owe your friend $5,200.  

    Do you stop taking your wife out for dinner and instead you both get an extra job on Fridays to pay down the debt, or do you keep borrowing from your friend?

    Do you have a spending problem, or a revenue problem?

    You have both.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

    Chances of Speaker Boehner reaching a deal before midnight tonight within his own caucus? Less then zero.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    Chances of Speaker Boehner reaching a deal before midnight tonight within his own caucus? Less then zero.



    The same goes for the Dem controlled senate which is why they haven't passed a budget in years.

     

    This isn't a party issue it's a country issue.

    Boehner could pass a bill with zero TP votes if he could get a tleast 30 Dem votes, but we know that won't happen.  If Boehner had a plan that was acceptable to the GOP without the intransient TP's then why wouldn't the Dems jump on board to pass it, if they cared.  The answer is that the Dems are as intransient and entrenched as the TP's.

    A sorry state of affairs.

     
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    Re: Poll: Do you think Speaker Boehner can make a deal?

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    The same goes for the Dem controlled senate which is why they haven't passed a budget in years. This isn't a party issue it's a country issue. Boehner could pass a bill with zero TP votes if he could get a tleast 30 Dem votes, but we know that won't happen.  If Boehner had a plan that was acceptable to the GOP without the intransient TP's then why wouldn't the Dems jump on board to pass it, if they cared.  The answer is that the Dems are as intransient and entrenched as the TP's.

    Boehner already submitted a bill to solve this problem to the Senate, in Augyst (not sure of date, but a while ago) . Reid and Obama sat on it.


    Boner would first have to propose such a plan.

    Since he hasn't, that makes your premise nothing more than wingnut sanctimonious pontificating.

    Hint: Not allowing any of the budget related bills passed by the Senate to come to a vote in the HoR shows who is being intransigent.




     
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