Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 1:32 PM EST
In response to NO MO O's comment:
In response to NO MO O's comment:
My vote is for Cardinal Law.
That will change the direction of the church ....
Is he still hiding in Rome spanking his monkey?
Thought I would beat the "moderator" to it...
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Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 1:50 PM EST
In response to andiejen's comment:
In response to GreginMeffa's comment:
Touche. But Chris really does know his stuff. He's a Holy Cross boy.
Gregin,
I wan not trying to "Touche" anything. Honestly. Chris Matthews is a devout Catholic and yes, he went to Holy Cross. I watch him frequently on MSNBC.
Both Bill Mahr and I were raised Catholic. For me it was a hard decision to leave the Church. But finally I just did not want to be a cafeteria Catholic. Some of my strongest views were in opposition to the Church's: pro-contraception; pro-choice; pro-same sex marriage among others.
I know other Catholics who have no problem leading their lives this way. For me, I just could not do it anymore.
I have sought to develop my own ideas of spirituality but respect those who follow an organized religion.
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 2:03 PM EST
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to yogafriend's comment:
In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
In response to yogafriend's comment:
plagued by the sexual abuse scandal
I daresay he bears a large degree of responsibility for it if even a tenth of what Hitchens alleges is true.
I was being facetious, actually. The sexual abuse scandal dates back so far and has so many overlapping members of the Church heirarchy that are responsible, only a serious historian would be equipped to deal with the web of lies, deceit, corruption and level of complicity within the Church.
I still get sick thinking about what went down in Boston and the fact that the Church didn't immediately defrock Bernard Law; that protection spoke volumes, and the execution of Law's appointment to relocate to Rome was under Pope John Paul II.
Pope Benedict has done the right thing to retire, and for that, I respect his decision. But that's about it. I'm not at all versed in the writings of Christopher Hitchens, but it looks as though he's done some credible digging into the scandal.
Hi Yogafriend..I am always happy to see you join the conversation.
You are not alone in feeling sickened by what happened with the sexual abuse cover up. Even catholics felt betrayed. I disagreed strongly with Law's appointment to Rome. It was sort of like rewarding bad behavior..however if Hitchens is to be believed..and it sounds like he sourced his writing well..then the coverup extended all the way to the Vatican..so Law was probably just doing what he was told..like any good catholic who is taught not to question.
Thanks, Cricket. :) I would join in more often, but the threads have a tendency to get into personal attacks and I don't have the armour to deal with that; kudos, to you, OTOH, for your ability to wrangle -- you go girrrl. :) I am, sorry, however, that any threads devolve to the point where you have to deal with a stalker, a waste of energy by anyone's standards.
As for the Pope's successor, I have to be amused that a replacement will be appointed (annointed?) in no time flat, March 24th, from what I have read. Let's put it this way: I've worked in organizations that take a month just to post a req for a job vacancy. Recruiting a corporate CEO, university president, or filling a Senate seat, are all very arduous processes, as we know. But finding a leader for the world-wide Catholic Church takes a mere two weeks? No offense meant, but "conferring with God" must make the difference. :)
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 2:45 PM EST
In response to skeeter20's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to UserName99's comment:
Probably as good a time as any for the Catholic Church to close its doors for good.
Man made Christianity has abused and defrauded enough people already. Its time for facts and reality to rule the lands.
I think there is a place in the world for both...I just think it's important to separate the politics of the church from faith and belief in God. Religious beliefs can inform government..but we've seen what happens when religious beliefs dictate government. Most people don't understand that Freedom of Religion is also Freedom from religion. Belief in any God should be a choice..not mandatory.
well said.
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 2:49 PM EST
After a bit of thought and quote mining, I take back some of the things I said in my post about B.16...out of belated respect for some of his followers here and abroad.
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 5:07 PM EST
In response to andiejen's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to msobstinate99's comment:
In response to jackbu's comment:
Gee, just the other day you were condemning him for the actions for some backward 55 bed hospital and accusing him for being all about business. Sure you did not mention his name but you said Catholic Church and who would be more in charge of the catholic church then the Pope? I guess your views change like the New England weather or whoever's personal email you are trying to get.
Ooooo-k. That would be a challenge for you! Do YOU even know how many email addresses YOU have of YOUR own? It's has to be some where in the 100's!!
Interesting..and not surprising. I am following a policy of ignoring Jackbu. Some people just simply look for attention and don't care whether it is positive or negative. More than one person on this site has commented the lack of class and character he has shown with the personal comments regarding e-mail exchanges that happened "off the board". It is all good. I will not stoop to his level..however if he continues to have difficulty moving on from the personal aspect of our interactions...then I will gladly help him out...starting with posts on Yelp..TA and Boston.com about a certain south shore business "owner" who uses the names of ex girlfriends to write fake reviews about "his" business...
cricket,
I agree about those comments. At the time I did not comment because I did not want to feed the beast, so to speak.
I have been holding back but I think I can put this all to rest. When jack started posting again after the paywall went up he made it clear he had been on suspension...not a voluntary BDC vacation.
Before that he also made it clear there were 2 categories of posters he would not deal with. Those with multiple screen names and those who had been suspended. I remember all this quite well.
jack clearly falls in the second category. If his code includes not dealing with those posters who have been suspended, then what is he doing posting on BDC? Both logic and integrity dictates that jack voluntarily deactivates his account and post only on sites where he has not been suspended/banned.
He set the rules. Now he should man up and follow through.
Andie..and Msobstinate...he's just a big old hypocrite. I get why you don't want to put him on ignore...but he gives me an ice cream headache so I will let you have all the fun..lol. It's difficult to keep up with his "rules" and really...not worth my time or effort. Here's to hoping he doesn't derail any more of my threads..lol
Chiefhowie..lol.. you're comment reminds me of one of my favorite quotes and perfect in honor of Lincoln's birthday..."When I do good..I feel good.When I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion."
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 5:09 PM EST
In response to yogafriend's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to yogafriend's comment:
In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
In response to yogafriend's comment:
plagued by the sexual abuse scandal
I daresay he bears a large degree of responsibility for it if even a tenth of what Hitchens alleges is true.
I was being facetious, actually. The sexual abuse scandal dates back so far and has so many overlapping members of the Church heirarchy that are responsible, only a serious historian would be equipped to deal with the web of lies, deceit, corruption and level of complicity within the Church.
I still get sick thinking about what went down in Boston and the fact that the Church didn't immediately defrock Bernard Law; that protection spoke volumes, and the execution of Law's appointment to relocate to Rome was under Pope John Paul II.
Pope Benedict has done the right thing to retire, and for that, I respect his decision. But that's about it. I'm not at all versed in the writings of Christopher Hitchens, but it looks as though he's done some credible digging into the scandal.
Hi Yogafriend..I am always happy to see you join the conversation.
You are not alone in feeling sickened by what happened with the sexual abuse cover up. Even catholics felt betrayed. I disagreed strongly with Law's appointment to Rome. It was sort of like rewarding bad behavior..however if Hitchens is to be believed..and it sounds like he sourced his writing well..then the coverup extended all the way to the Vatican..so Law was probably just doing what he was told..like any good catholic who is taught not to question.
Thanks, Cricket. :) I would join in more often, but the threads have a tendency to get into personal attacks and I don't have the armour to deal with that; kudos, to you, OTOH, for your ability to wrangle -- you go girrrl. :) I am, sorry, however, that any threads devolve to the point where you have to deal with a stalker, a waste of energy by anyone's standards.
As for the Pope's successor, I have to be amused that a replacement will be appointed (annointed?) in no time flat, March 24th, from what I have read. Let's put it this way: I've worked in organizations that take a month just to post a req for a job vacancy. Recruiting a corporate CEO, university president, or filling a Senate seat, are all very arduous processes, as we know. But finding a leader for the world-wide Catholic Church takes a mere two weeks? No offense meant, but "conferring with God" must make the difference. :)
Too funny about the speed with which they are selecting a replacement. Even my agency doesn't operate with such speed...perhaps it has less to do with praying and more to do with being shut off from the outside world until a decision is made...lol
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/12/2013 5:15 PM EST
In response to jedwardnicky's comment:
In response to skeeter20's comment:
In response to miscricket's comment:
In response to UserName99's comment:
Probably as good a time as any for the Catholic Church to close its doors for good.
Man made Christianity has abused and defrauded enough people already. Its time for facts and reality to rule the lands.
I think there is a place in the world for both...I just think it's important to separate the politics of the church from faith and belief in God. Religious beliefs can inform government..but we've seen what happens when religious beliefs dictate government. Most people don't understand that Freedom of Religion is also Freedom from religion. Belief in any God should be a choice..not mandatory.
well said.
So.....we can depend on you to NOT bring God into any further political discourse? Really?
No. Why do you want religion barred from political discourse?
Am I to take it, that in a thread about a cleric, only opinions of those ignorant of god are welcome? So, some opinions are welcome, others are not?
you seem to be very close minded.
Re: Pope Benedict XVI to resign..!
posted at 2/13/2013 5:56 AM EST
In response to yogafriend's comment:
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Thanks, Cricket. :) I would join in more often, but the threads have a tendency to get into personal attacks and I don't have the armour to deal with that; kudos, to you, OTOH, for your ability to wrangle -- you go girrrl. :) I am, sorry, however, that any threads devolve to the point where you have to deal with a stalker, a waste of energy by anyone's standards.
As for the Pope's successor, I have to be amused that a replacement will be appointed (annointed?) in no time flat, March 24th, from what I have read. Let's put it this way: I've worked in organizations that take a month just to post a req for a job vacancy. Recruiting a corporate CEO, university president, or filling a Senate seat, are all very arduous processes, as we know. But finding a leader for the world-wide Catholic Church takes a mere two weeks? No offense meant, but "conferring with God" must make the difference. :)
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It's already out that some insiders knew for weeks. It's hard to believe that if some knew, all alert cardinals didn't know. And it strains Mr. O'Malley's credibility that he was shocked. Well, he could have been shocked a few weeks ago. Anyway, the college of cardinals may be the only large group in the world who could keep a secret. Then again, it's arguable that that's the secret eleventh commandment.
