In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:

In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

In response to doozy-day's comment:

I think the point of this thread should be basic, without all of you economic experts ringing your own bells.......

The price of gas is up, way up, the economy isn't improving, we are all being squeezed more than ever on everything from taxes, to groceries, to gas, to health insurance, with little or no end in sight.

All Obama wants to do is campaign for a living, pick and choose the battles he knows he can win, and then go on vacation.

Congress on the other hand, is forever in campaign mode because they don't know how to do anything else, it is all about the next election, and who wins.

We are running out of money to cover all of these increases, and the governement won't stop spending.

We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

So if you get a paycut at work, does that mean you now suddenly have a spending problem?

When did the government take a paycut?? Last i rember the government still takes in hundreds of billions of dollars. They just spend more than they take in. The Government takes in more than enough money to sustain itself they just need to appropriate it correctly.

When baby-Bush took office, gov't receipts were 20% of GDP.

When baby-Bush left office receipts were 15% of GDP.

So unless you live under a rock or practice a peculiar brand of wingnut math, 20% down to 15% is an enormous paycut.

In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:

In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

In response to doozy-day's comment:

I think the point of this thread should be basic, without all of you economic experts ringing your own bells.......

The price of gas is up, way up, the economy isn't improving, we are all being squeezed more than ever on everything from taxes, to groceries, to gas, to health insurance, with little or no end in sight.

All Obama wants to do is campaign for a living, pick and choose the battles he knows he can win, and then go on vacation.

Congress on the other hand, is forever in campaign mode because they don't know how to do anything else, it is all about the next election, and who wins.

We are running out of money to cover all of these increases, and the governement won't stop spending.

We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

So if you get a paycut at work, does that mean you now suddenly have a spending problem?

When did the government take a paycut?? Last i rember the government still takes in hundreds of billions of dollars. They just spend more than they take in. The Government takes in more than enough money to sustain itself they just need to appropriate it correctly.

When baby-Bush took office, gov't receipts were 20% of GDP.

When baby-Bush left office receipts were 15% of GDP.

So unless you live under a rock or practice a peculiar brand of wingnut math, 20% down to 15% is an enormous paycut.

In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:

In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

In response to doozy-day's comment:

I think the point of this thread should be basic, without all of you economic experts ringing your own bells.......

The price of gas is up, way up, the economy isn't improving, we are all being squeezed more than ever on everything from taxes, to groceries, to gas, to health insurance, with little or no end in sight.

All Obama wants to do is campaign for a living, pick and choose the battles he knows he can win, and then go on vacation.

Congress on the other hand, is forever in campaign mode because they don't know how to do anything else, it is all about the next election, and who wins.

We are running out of money to cover all of these increases, and the governement won't stop spending.

We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

So if you get a paycut at work, does that mean you now suddenly have a spending problem?

When did the government take a paycut?? Last i rember the government still takes in hundreds of billions of dollars. They just spend more than they take in. The Government takes in more than enough money to sustain itself they just need to appropriate it correctly.

When baby-Bush took office, gov't receipts were 20% of GDP.

When baby-Bush left office receipts were 15% of GDP.

So unless you live under a rock or practice a peculiar brand of wingnut math, 20% down to 15% is an enormous paycut.

In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:

In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:

In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

In response to doozy-day's comment:

I think the point of this thread should be basic, without all of you economic experts ringing your own bells.......

The price of gas is up, way up, the economy isn't improving, we are all being squeezed more than ever on everything from taxes, to groceries, to gas, to health insurance, with little or no end in sight.

All Obama wants to do is campaign for a living, pick and choose the battles he knows he can win, and then go on vacation.

Congress on the other hand, is forever in campaign mode because they don't know how to do anything else, it is all about the next election, and who wins.

We are running out of money to cover all of these increases, and the governement won't stop spending.

We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

So if you get a paycut at work, does that mean you now suddenly have a spending problem?

When did the government take a paycut?? Last i rember the government still takes in hundreds of billions of dollars. They just spend more than they take in. The Government takes in more than enough money to sustain itself they just need to appropriate it correctly.

When baby-Bush took office, gov't receipts were 20% of GDP.

When baby-Bush left office receipts were 15% of GDP.

So unless you live under a rock or practice a peculiar brand of wingnut math, 20% down to 15% is an enormous paycut.

5% Doesnt mean diddly Squat when your talking Hundreds of billions of dollars. Again the government has more than enough money it just needs to appropriate it correctly.

Ummmm hey spanky, ya got your so-called "argument" bass ackwards as usual.

It means the opposite of "diddly" because it is a RATIO.

The larger the numbers and the larger the change in those numbers the larger the corresponding change in the related ratios.

So when you talk about a 5% change in the GDP ratio of revenues to the US economy, you're talking about a $750 BILLION loss of revenue. Enough money to fund the Pentagon AND Education AND the VA every year.

airborne: "Of course this doesn't take into account the year of lost revenue in 2008. That was an -9% contraction in the US economy which represented about $1.5 trillion dollars of lost economic output. '

Why does anyone bother arguing with a fanatic who calls a US President "Baby Bush" ?

'Cuz its fun poking holes in his specious blatantly contradictory  arguments...

So, airborne blames Bush for "lost revenue" in 2008. Yet Obama is not to blame for lost revenue from 2009 to 2013,  due to the worst recovery from a recession in US history? (previously, the worst the recession, the better was the recovery!)

That is the point, DUH ! Grow the private economy, let the private sector flourish, and tax revenues increase.

Dont raise taxes and stifle the economy with job killing ObamaCare, and ruinous regulations...but the ideologues like airborne cant see beyond their noses...

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In response to airborne-rgr's comment:

In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

airborne: "Of course this doesn't take into account the year of lost revenue in 2008. That was an -9% contraction in the US economy which represented about $1.5 trillion dollars of lost economic output. '

Why does anyone bother arguing with a fanatic who calls a US President "Baby Bush" ?

'Cuz its fun poking holes in his specious blatantly contradictory  arguments...

So, airborne blames Bush for "lost revenue" in 2008. Yet Obama is not to blame for lost revenue from 2009 to 2013,  due to the worst recovery from a recession in US history? (previously, the worst the recession, the better was the recovery!)

That is the point, DUH ! Grow the private economy, let the private sector flourish, and tax revenues increase.

Dont raise taxes and stifle the economy with job killing ObamaCare, and ruinous regulations...but the ideologues like airborne cant see beyond their noses...

You wingnuts are freaking hilarious.

Ya'll keep regurgitating wingnut echo chamber baloney while ignoring reality.

Ya'll are like broken records and you NEVER address any facts and figures.

You keep droning on about taxes yet you are to ideologically ignorant to explain the reality that your tax meme is bullshiite.

So explain to the class spanky how the two LONGEST economic expansions happened when taxes were much higher.

In the 60's the top rate was 70% and yet the country experienced the second longest economic expansion in history.

In the 90's the tax rates were higher and capital gains were taxed as ordinary income yet that decade produced the LONGEST ECONOMIC EXPANSION IN HISTORY and the Federal budget was in SURPLUS.

Spare the sloganeering and explain that basic FACT!!

First of all.............you got proof of the "most economists agree" thing?  Secondly, if it`s like the MIRACULOUS drop of the unemployment rate 3 seconds before the election, it`s about as good as ...........well, ah-hem........your word. "Revised" numbers......LOL!

Thirdly, Q2 will be worse.  Seen the Wal Mart numbers?  Seen the layoffs?  Job numbers?

Good freakin luck!

You wingnuts are hilarious.

When the BEA shows bad news for the US economy, you poltroons cheer and point to it as gospel.

When that very same bureau says that:

The reason for that decline of 0.1% is gov't spending dropped in the 4th quarter

and

That the "advanced estimate" of GDP is always revised upward, 0.5% in the second month and 0.6% in the third month.

When the BEA says anything that shows bad news for the US economy you cheer.

When it contradicts your ignorant ideology then you idiots call the BEA wrong, in the same freakin breath you used to cite it's numbers seconds ago.

Let me know when ya'll stop squirming and dragging those goal posts all over the field, then we can talk.