Progressive tolerance display in college classroom: stomp on Jesus

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    Where was the blasphemy in the exercise?

     

     


    That's what I've been asking...and nobody can give a reasonable answer.

    Just another distraction proffered by the perpetually outraged right, I guess...

    ...another way that sanctimonious christians get to play the victim.

     

     

     

     



    You really can't understand how someone who is very religious would take offense to stepping on the paper with Jesus on it? Curious...would also have a hard time understanding how a black person would get offended if the teacher wrote Martin Luther King on the paper and told him to stomp on it? Think that person might not want to do that?

     

    and conservatives are closed-minded....sigh

     



    Well, your response indicates that you think I'm not very religious. And in all my training, all the years spent studying the scriptures, there is nothing to suggest in the aforementioned exercise could be construed as blasphemy, let alone truly offensive. Except for the feeble minded that is.

     

    And it's interesting that you might mention Martin Luther King. He was named after the great Protestant theologian Martin Luther. I suppose a Catholic might be offended by his very nomenclature. And, as a Protestant, I might take terrible offense at those who pray to Mary. I might think that the very presence of graven images of her, and her son Christ, as are so often represented in various iconography, to be in direct contradiction with the Ten Commandments, particularly Exodus 20:4-6.

     



    I hope you have claimed Jesus for your savior.  It you do or have, god bless you.

     

    My take: You need to spend less time projecting all these negative judgements on evangelicals, whom you definitiely misrespresent and don't understand.



    Good Lord, you're dense! I never attacked "evangelicals" what-so-ever. YOU, however, don't seem to understand the difference between Catholicism and Protestantsism. What are you? Christian? Or just an IDIOT?

     

     
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    Its a piece of paper.

     

     

    Uh huh, remember when the left when nucking futz over the alleged "flushing of the Koran" at Guantanamo or when that idiot pastor decided to burn a Koran? Were you out there saying "It's just a pile of printed paper, nothing to get excited about." Because, if you were, I don't remember it.

     

     




    The Koran is more a bound stack of papers now isnt it?  Regardless, the issue with that was more to do with the the pastor filming the burning for the world to see the response was near universal "do that and you will potentially endanger the lives of US service people who are in active war zones".  Honestly, I could care less if he wrapped the thing in bacon.  It doesn't mean anything to me, but I can understand why some people got highly agitated. 


    This wasn't a Holy Scripture or book, it was 2 cents worth of scrap paper with a word written on it.  If Mormons have some tenent that prevents them from stepping on paper with Jesus written on it, then forgive my ignorance (its hard to keep track of every religious peculiar beliefs). 

    This whole thing is little more than fodder for the perpetually outraged culture warriors to shake their head at and claim persecution all because some mormon kid, in some second rate Florida college classroom got offended about stepping on a piece with Jesus written on it (even though Jesus is fairly common name), and the net result of it all is someone is going to hold this up as PROOF POSITVE OF THE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY TO DO SOMETHING OR OTHER.

    Its nonsense and all you guys with your big boy panties all bunched up know it. 

     



    It is without a doubt liberal group-think, though a conspiracy?  well, only if you consider a relentless attack on christianity  by the left a conspiracy. 

     

    I tend to think of it somewhat differently.  It is a fundemental cultural shift towards disrespecting certain groups (i.e. Christians, responsible gun owners), and going out of your way to respect other groups ( Muslims, athiests).  I can only speculate as to what is going on.  I think that fearing a group has a lot to do with it, perhaps squeaky wheel syndrome as well.

    But, the Stomping on Jesus on paper thing?  Pure desensitization.   It is similar to what POW's go through.  Every few days they are made to sign papers or make proclamations in front of others disavowing everything that they beleive in, country, faith, baseball, whatever.  Eventually, they come to the point where they beleive their own denunciations.  

    That's what this exercise is about.  If you can get them to stomp on jesus, whether they beleive or not, you have just shown them that disrespecting others christian beliefs is OK.  Soon, you will have them all beleiving that it is a good thing to stomp on Jesus, wherever and whenever the topic comes up.  Not hard to figure out.  This exercise IS about teaching students to disrespect Christianity.

     

     



    You have it all figured out like the good little ideologue you are. And yet you actually know very little indeed.  Conspiracy theorists (and that is what you are) are lazy thinkers.  Why don't you focus on your own views before you seek to characterize the views of others?  You can't even effectively define conservatism... don't even attempt the other side.

     

     



    Really?  What does my ideology have to do with it?  I went out of my way to point out that it is not a conspiracy, but you missed that in your zeal to do a bit of christian bashing, oh, and conservative bashing.  you are lookign like an idiot.

     

     



    You are the ideological idiot who believes in a liberal (socialist, communist, Nazi... whatever) conspiracy out to subvert your precious conservative values.  Such thinking is not really thinking at all.  Your political approach is basicly a relgious one: everything you disagree with is "pagan" and must be defeated by your "truth".  Inane stuff.  But it's you. Have you ever used your brain?

     
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    Where was the blasphemy in the exercise?

     

     


    That's what I've been asking...and nobody can give a reasonable answer.

    Just another distraction proffered by the perpetually outraged right, I guess...

    ...another way that sanctimonious christians get to play the victim.

     

     

     

     



    You really can't understand how someone who is very religious would take offense to stepping on the paper with Jesus on it? Curious...would also have a hard time understanding how a black person would get offended if the teacher wrote Martin Luther King on the paper and told him to stomp on it? Think that person might not want to do that?

     

    and conservatives are closed-minded....sigh

     



    Well, your response indicates that you think I'm not very religious. And in all my training, all the years spent studying the scriptures, there is nothing to suggest in the aforementioned exercise could be construed as blasphemy, let alone truly offensive. Except for the feeble minded that is.

     

    And it's interesting that you might mention Martin Luther King. He was named after the great Protestant theologian Martin Luther. I suppose a Catholic might be offended by his very nomenclature. And, as a Protestant, I might take terrible offense at those who pray to Mary. I might think that the very presence of graven images of her, and her son Christ, as are so often represented in various iconography, to be in direct contradiction with the Ten Commandments, particularly Exodus 20:4-6.

     



    I hope you have claimed Jesus for your savior.  It you do or have, god bless you.

     

    My take: You need to spend less time projecting all these negative judgements on evangelicals, whom you definitiely misrespresent and don't understand.



    You say the words.  You understand little of the meaning.  Too much hate:  Gays, liberals, thinkers...  Christ was no hater.  Except for hatred itself.

     
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    Where was the blasphemy in the exercise?

     

     


    That's what I've been asking...and nobody can give a reasonable answer.

    Just another distraction proffered by the perpetually outraged right, I guess...

    ...another way that sanctimonious christians get to play the victim.

     

     

     

     



    You really can't understand how someone who is very religious would take offense to stepping on the paper with Jesus on it? Curious...would also have a hard time understanding how a black person would get offended if the teacher wrote Martin Luther King on the paper and told him to stomp on it? Think that person might not want to do that?

     

    and conservatives are closed-minded....sigh

     



    Well, your response indicates that you think I'm not very religious. And in all my training, all the years spent studying the scriptures, there is nothing to suggest in the aforementioned exercise could be construed as blasphemy, let alone truly offensive. Except for the feeble minded that is.

     

    And it's interesting that you might mention Martin Luther King. He was named after the great Protestant theologian Martin Luther. I suppose a Catholic might be offended by his very nomenclature. And, as a Protestant, I might take terrible offense at those who pray to Mary. I might think that the very presence of graven images of her, and her son Christ, as are so often represented in various iconography, to be in direct contradiction with the Ten Commandments, particularly Exodus 20:4-6.



    Psst...just because YOU don't feel it's blasphemy doesn't mean no one else does. 

     
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    Where was the blasphemy in the exercise?

     

     


    That's what I've been asking...and nobody can give a reasonable answer.

    Just another distraction proffered by the perpetually outraged right, I guess...

    ...another way that sanctimonious christians get to play the victim.

     

     

     

     



    You really can't understand how someone who is very religious would take offense to stepping on the paper with Jesus on it? Curious...would also have a hard time understanding how a black person would get offended if the teacher wrote Martin Luther King on the paper and told him to stomp on it? Think that person might not want to do that?

     

    and conservatives are closed-minded....sigh

     



    Well, your response indicates that you think I'm not very religious. And in all my training, all the years spent studying the scriptures, there is nothing to suggest in the aforementioned exercise could be construed as blasphemy, let alone truly offensive. Except for the feeble minded that is.

     

    And it's interesting that you might mention Martin Luther King. He was named after the great Protestant theologian Martin Luther. I suppose a Catholic might be offended by his very nomenclature. And, as a Protestant, I might take terrible offense at those who pray to Mary. I might think that the very presence of graven images of her, and her son Christ, as are so often represented in various iconography, to be in direct contradiction with the Ten Commandments, particularly Exodus 20:4-6.

     



    I hope you have claimed Jesus for your savior.  It you do or have, god bless you.

     

    My take: You need to spend less time projecting all these negative judgements on evangelicals, whom you definitiely misrespresent and don't understand.

     



    Good Lord, you're dense! I never attacked "evangelicals" what-so-ever. YOU, however, don't seem to understand the difference between Catholicism and Protestantsism. What are you? Christian? Or just an IDIOT?

     

     




    How do I not understand the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism?  I didn't know Catholics could stomp on Jesus and Protestants can't .

    You are just behaving as a tool.  I'm just about done with you.  never an honest conversation, always the hatefilled jabs.  You think you can just flip open the bible and prooftext something and that makes you the smartest person in the room.  You have ears that won';t hear, and eyes that won't see.  Grow up and stop being a jerk.

     
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    Its a piece of paper.

     

     

    Uh huh, remember when the left when nucking futz over the alleged "flushing of the Koran" at Guantanamo or when that idiot pastor decided to burn a Koran? Were you out there saying "It's just a pile of printed paper, nothing to get excited about." Because, if you were, I don't remember it.

     

     




    The Koran is more a bound stack of papers now isnt it?  Regardless, the issue with that was more to do with the the pastor filming the burning for the world to see the response was near universal "do that and you will potentially endanger the lives of US service people who are in active war zones".  Honestly, I could care less if he wrapped the thing in bacon.  It doesn't mean anything to me, but I can understand why some people got highly agitated. 


    This wasn't a Holy Scripture or book, it was 2 cents worth of scrap paper with a word written on it.  If Mormons have some tenent that prevents them from stepping on paper with Jesus written on it, then forgive my ignorance (its hard to keep track of every religious peculiar beliefs). 

    This whole thing is little more than fodder for the perpetually outraged culture warriors to shake their head at and claim persecution all because some mormon kid, in some second rate Florida college classroom got offended about stepping on a piece with Jesus written on it (even though Jesus is fairly common name), and the net result of it all is someone is going to hold this up as PROOF POSITVE OF THE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY TO DO SOMETHING OR OTHER.

    Its nonsense and all you guys with your big boy panties all bunched up know it. 

     



    It is without a doubt liberal group-think, though a conspiracy?  well, only if you consider a relentless attack on christianity  by the left a conspiracy. 

     

    I tend to think of it somewhat differently.  It is a fundemental cultural shift towards disrespecting certain groups (i.e. Christians, responsible gun owners), and going out of your way to respect other groups ( Muslims, athiests).  I can only speculate as to what is going on.  I think that fearing a group has a lot to do with it, perhaps squeaky wheel syndrome as well.

    But, the Stomping on Jesus on paper thing?  Pure desensitization.   It is similar to what POW's go through.  Every few days they are made to sign papers or make proclamations in front of others disavowing everything that they beleive in, country, faith, baseball, whatever.  Eventually, they come to the point where they beleive their own denunciations.  

    That's what this exercise is about.  If you can get them to stomp on jesus, whether they beleive or not, you have just shown them that disrespecting others christian beliefs is OK.  Soon, you will have them all beleiving that it is a good thing to stomp on Jesus, wherever and whenever the topic comes up.  Not hard to figure out.  This exercise IS about teaching students to disrespect Christianity.

     

     



    You have it all figured out like the good little ideologue you are. And yet you actually know very little indeed.  Conspiracy theorists (and that is what you are) are lazy thinkers.  Why don't you focus on your own views before you seek to characterize the views of others?  You can't even effectively define conservatism... don't even attempt the other side.

     

     



    Really?  What does my ideology have to do with it?  I went out of my way to point out that it is not a conspiracy, but you missed that in your zeal to do a bit of christian bashing, oh, and conservative bashing.  you are lookign like an idiot.

     

     

     



    You are the ideological idiot who believes in a liberal (socialist, communist, Nazi... whatever) conspiracy out to subvert your precious conservative values.  Such thinking is not really thinking at all.  Your political approach is basicly a relgious one: everything you disagree with is "pagan" and must be defeated by your "truth".  Inane stuff.  But it's you. Have you ever used your brain?

     




    That's an awful lot of projection.  I've never said any such thing(s).   I merely observed the facts in evidence, provided some defintions, and voila! Looks like I'm right.

    Apparently, we have here yet another progressive that claims to want a conversation, but what we find is that you don't want a conversation, you want an echo chamber.  Then you proceed to call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot. You bring my faith into it, though I have not.  You claim facts not in evidience, such as my faith supposedly influencing my polititics.  I think you would be surprised to hear that my political ideology preceded my faith by several decades.  but, go ahead and try to make that point, because it shows your inability to deal with truth.

    I am thinking that my arguments, including proving how this is wrong, demopnstrably wrong, and my clearly identifying this as blashemy has rattled you such that you can't admit that you are wrong, once again.

    Just admit you are wrong and we all can move along.

     
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    Well, the progressives have yet again chipped aweay at this, and when proven wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt, they shift it to personal attacks on the posters who disagree with them.

    This is a good thread, in that  the weakness of progressive thought process is once again on full display!

     

     
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    Well, the progressives have yet again chipped aweay at this, and when proven wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt, they shift it to personal attacks on the posters who disagree with them.

    This is a good thread, in that  the weakness of progressive thought process is once again on full display!

     



    It shows how shallow you are.  I (a progessive in your eyes) agreed that the teacher was wrong and the kid right.  And yet you blather on about progressive conspiracies... It's one teacher!  And yet you conflate it into a movement....  You deserve your personal attacks as a result.  Try to actually listen to the other side.  Think about their ideas.  And maybe you will realize that your self created concepts concerning views on such matters are actually an ideological straight jacket that is far from reality.  But you wont.  Ideologues have all the answers (for themselves and for others).  I am just a pagan... 

     
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    Where was the blasphemy in the exercise?

     

    Here's the definiiton of Blashpemy.  At least definitions a and c are in play.

    Definition of BLASPHEMY 1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God   b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity 2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable   Does that answer your question?




    Nothing in that definition denotes the sanctity or inviolability of the name of a god written on a random piece of paper in a random classroom.

    Define, then, how ink on paper reaches sanctified status.  The ink is not god.  The paper is not god.  The pen that wrote it is not god, nor is the person who put those letters in that order.  The teacher did not profess to be a follower of christ, did he?  So, why does his action merit blasphemy?

    Your god's "attributes" are constantly claimed by self-described christians in blasphemous ways, so why is this incident superlative, in your view?

    You haven't demonstrated fault.  Instead, maybe you should think harder about the intention behind it and the dialogue it has nevertheless been sparked as a result.  Why are some christians so afraid of having their conceptions of religious dogma questioned?  A strong faith should welcome the challenge.  

    And this has nothing to do with the faith you yourself have placed in your god.  Instead, it's about the trappings and symbolism that can distort true faith.

     

     
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    All that matters is that the kid thought this.  That should be enough.  



    Exactly!

     
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    3.  Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain.

    This is pretty fr1ggin vain man.

    All that matters is that the kid thought this.  That should be enough.  Gagged and punished?  Please.  Thats just stupid



    Totally agree that the reaction was completely out of proportion, and the admin should pay the price.

     

    Why did the kid think this, though?  Why does it make sense to hold a non-christian accountable to christian beliefs?

    And what's wrong with questioning human perceptions of belief structures in an academic setting?  Where is the threat, implied or otherwise...?

    It seems to say more about the kid's personal faith than anything else.

    And it certainly has less to do with so-called "progressive tolerance".  But leave it to some hand-wringing, brimstonian conservatives to try and inject religion into politics (and vice versa).

     

     
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    Let that classroom put Mohammad on the floor and step on him and see how the reaction is!

    My guess is they are afraid to do so!

     
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    Let that classroom put Mohammad on the floor and step on him and see how the reaction is!

     



    And what would that prove...?

    Judging by the reactions here, muslims should be justified in their outrage as some christians seem to be.

    That doesn't make such outrage any more logical or reasoned.  It just means that the offendees are similarly disjointed in their concepts of faith.

    But I've argued for some time that fundamentalist christians and fundamentalist muslims are far more alike than not.  Why should this scenario be different.

     

     
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    Well, the progressives have yet again chipped aweay at this, and when proven wrong, beyond a shadow of a doubt, they shift it to personal attacks on the posters who disagree with them.

    This is a good thread, in that  the weakness of progressive thought process is once again on full display!

     

     



    It shows how shallow you are.  I (a progessive in your eyes) agreed that the teacher was wrong and the kid right.  And yet you blather on about progressive conspiracies... It's one teacher!  And yet you conflate it into a movement....  You deserve your personal attacks as a result.  Try to actually listen to the other side.  Think about their ideas.  And maybe you will realize that your self created concepts concerning views on such matters are actually an ideological straight jacket that is far from reality.  But you wont.  Ideologues have all the answers (for themselves and for others).  I am just a pagan... 

     



    Keep making my point, over and over again.

     

    I never pointyed to a conspiracy, I stuck to the facts, and backed up my assertions with Webster's dictionary.

    You, on the other hand, seem to feel the need to take a couple pot shots on your way out from a losing argument.

    See Yah!

     
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    Religion can play a HUGE roll in ones life. Far be it from me to judge that persons feelings/beliefs about their religion. 

     
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    Where was the blasphemy in the exercise?

     

    Here's the definiiton of Blashpemy.  At least definitions a and c are in play.

    Definition of BLASPHEMY 1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God   b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity 2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable   Does that answer your question?




     

    Nothing in that definition denotes the sanctity or inviolability of the name of a god written on a random piece of paper in a random classroom.

    Define, then, how ink on paper reaches sanctified status.  The ink is not god.  The paper is not god.  The pen that wrote it is not god, nor is the person who put those letters in that order.  The teacher did not profess to be a follower of christ, did he?  So, why does his action merit blasphemy?

    Your god's "attributes" are constantly claimed by self-described christians in blasphemous ways, so why is this incident superlative, in your view?

    You haven't demonstrated fault.  Instead, maybe you should think harder about the intention behind it and the dialogue it has nevertheless been sparked as a result.  Why are some christians so afraid of having their conceptions of religious dogma questioned?  A strong faith should welcome the challenge.  

    And this has nothing to do with the faith you yourself have placed in your god.  Instead, it's about the trappings and symbolism that can distort true faith.

     



    Right.  Narrow the scope to it just being a peice of paper.

    Or, as you suggest, in a not so direct way,  it is the student's fault for being a christian.  Sigh.  So, I guess it is no surprise that your next move is away from respecting the christian, to asking why is he so sensitive?  why are all us christians so sensitive?

    I have demonstrated that the teacher was wrong, demopnstrably.   I don't know how ANYONE could be any clearer.  You are just unwilling to concede the point.  That's the ideologue in you.

    The teacher knowingly commited blashemy by the definition.  He doesn't have to be a beleiver.  Even you should be able to figure that out.  When you are in a position of authority, teaching material you are supposed to understand, you need to consider these things.

    But, keep moving the goal posts.  Eventually we will get to a point, maybe a classroom down the hall, an art class or something, where your denial makes sense.

     
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    Right.  Narrow the scope to it just being a peice of paper.

    Or, as you suggest, in a not so direct way,  it is the student's fault for being a christian.  Sigh.  So, I guess it is no surprise that your next move is away from respecting the christian, to asking why is he so sensitive?  why are all us christians so sensitive?

    I have demonstrated that the teacher was wrong, demopnstrably.   I don't know how ANYONE could be any clearer.  You are just unwilling to concede the point.  That's the ideologue in you.

    The teacher knowingly commited blashemy by the definition.  He doesn't have to be a beleiver.  Even you should be able to figure that out.  When you are in a position of authority, teaching material you are supposed to understand, you need to consider these things.




    It always was just a piece of paper.  You're the one conflating it into something huge and mystical and sacred without any proof.  Why don't you see that?

    I didn't say it was the student's fault...just trying to understand the nature of the offense was it was taken.  So, you're wrong.  I agreed the school overreacted (like some others here).

    Your definition of "blasphemy" still doesn't fit.  You've demonstrated nothing except YOUR OPINION.  

    What is the teacher just wrote "JC"?  Is that still out of bounds?  What if a person named "Jesus" gets punched.  Is that blasphemy? 

    None of which explains how it's political per the OP either, by the way.

     

     
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    Right.  Narrow the scope to it just being a peice of paper.

    Or, as you suggest, in a not so direct way,  it is the student's fault for being a christian.  Sigh.  So, I guess it is no surprise that your next move is away from respecting the christian, to asking why is he so sensitive?  why are all us christians so sensitive?

    I have demonstrated that the teacher was wrong, demopnstrably.   I don't know how ANYONE could be any clearer.  You are just unwilling to concede the point.  That's the ideologue in you.

    The teacher knowingly commited blashemy by the definition.  He doesn't have to be a beleiver.  Even you should be able to figure that out.  When you are in a position of authority, teaching material you are supposed to understand, you need to consider these things.

     




     

    It always was just a piece of paper.  You're the one conflating it into something huge and mystical and sacred without any proof.  Why don't you see that?

    I didn't say it was the student's fault...just trying to understand the nature of the offense was it was taken.  So, you're wrong.  I agreed the school overreacted (like some others here).

    Your definition of "blasphemy" still doesn't fit.  You've demonstrated nothing except YOUR OPINION.  

    What is the teacher just wrote "JC"?  Is that still out of bounds?  What if a person named "Jesus" gets punched.  Is that blasphemy? 

    None of which explains how it's political per the OP either, by the way.

     



    I tried to question/challenge the concept of blasphemy multiple times on this thread. As I've noted, if you're of a certain protestant persuasion, any iconography of Christ or Mary that is graven, and bowed down to in prayer is blasphemy. I thought I'd try to highlight the absolute stupidity of taking offense..... be you Jewish, Christian, or Muslim.

    If anything, it's like burning Santa in effigy.

     
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    Re: Progressive tolerance display in college classroom: stomp on Jesus

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Right.  Narrow the scope to it just being a peice of paper.

    Or, as you suggest, in a not so direct way,  it is the student's fault for being a christian.  Sigh.  So, I guess it is no surprise that your next move is away from respecting the christian, to asking why is he so sensitive?  why are all us christians so sensitive?

    I have demonstrated that the teacher was wrong, demopnstrably.   I don't know how ANYONE could be any clearer.  You are just unwilling to concede the point.  That's the ideologue in you.

    The teacher knowingly commited blashemy by the definition.  He doesn't have to be a beleiver.  Even you should be able to figure that out.  When you are in a position of authority, teaching material you are supposed to understand, you need to consider these things.

     




     

    It always was just a piece of paper.  You're the one conflating it into something huge and mystical and sacred without any proof.  Why don't you see that?

    I didn't say it was the student's fault...just trying to understand the nature of the offense was it was taken.  So, you're wrong.  I agreed the school overreacted (like some others here).

    Your definition of "blasphemy" still doesn't fit.  You've demonstrated nothing except YOUR OPINION.  

    What is the teacher just wrote "JC"?  Is that still out of bounds?  What if a person named "Jesus" gets punched.  Is that blasphemy? 

    None of which explains how it's political per the OP either, by the way.

     



    Here's what you fail to grasp:

    It is not your opinion of what is or isn't blasphemy, it is a definition.   And it applies, and I am using it correctly.

    And stop being so childish to claim that the "Jesus" being referred to was a student in another class, or that to you it is just a piece of paper. Weak.  Stay in the game here, ok?    It obviously was not just a peice of paper to the teacher.  That was the whole point of the exercise, get it?

    At the very least, what matters is if the student throught it was blashemous, and apparently he did.

    The teacher, at that point should have stopped.  The offense was clear at that point. 

    From that point forward, the teacher and the school have NO EXCUSE for what followed. Yetthey pushed the student, punished him for his faith.  That's persecuting him for his faith.  Can't you see that?

     
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    Re: Progressive tolerance display in college classroom: stomp on Jesus

    In response to jedwardnicky's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

     

    Right.  Narrow the scope to it just being a peice of paper.

    Or, as you suggest, in a not so direct way,  it is the student's fault for being a christian.  Sigh.  So, I guess it is no surprise that your next move is away from respecting the christian, to asking why is he so sensitive?  why are all us christians so sensitive?

    I have demonstrated that the teacher was wrong, demopnstrably.   I don't know how ANYONE could be any clearer.  You are just unwilling to concede the point.  That's the ideologue in you.

    The teacher knowingly commited blashemy by the definition.  He doesn't have to be a beleiver.  Even you should be able to figure that out.  When you are in a position of authority, teaching material you are supposed to understand, you need to consider these things.

     




     

    It always was just a piece of paper.  You're the one conflating it into something huge and mystical and sacred without any proof.  Why don't you see that?

    I didn't say it was the student's fault...just trying to understand the nature of the offense was it was taken.  So, you're wrong.  I agreed the school overreacted (like some others here).

    Your definition of "blasphemy" still doesn't fit.  You've demonstrated nothing except YOUR OPINION.  

    What is the teacher just wrote "JC"?  Is that still out of bounds?  What if a person named "Jesus" gets punched.  Is that blasphemy? 

    None of which explains how it's political per the OP either, by the way.

     

     



    I tried to question/challenge the concept of blasphemy multiple times on this thread. As I've noted, if you're of a certain protestant persuasion, any iconography of Christ or Mary that is graven, and bowed down to in prayer is blasphemy. I thought I'd try to highlight the absolute stupidity of taking offense..... be you Jewish, Christian, or Muslim.

     

    If anything, it's like burning Santa in effigy.



    You miss the point.  it is what the student felt, no me or you.  He was clear that he felt is was blasphemous.   That's all that matters here.  You and I are free to feel what we feel about the act, but our feelings on tha actual act are irrelevant.

    Clearly you are not seeing the "freedom of religion" here, or is it that you don't see the student's claim (not mine, not yours) that it was blasphemous as legitimate?  If we go down that particular slippery slope, then we reach a point where expression of religion is no longer respected.

     

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