Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Difference: Reagan didn't blame it on a video.



    Difference: Gore hadn't invented the internet yet.



    Gore invented the internet? Impossible. The internet actually works. 

     
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    Wow - so evidently the righties can't come up with any substantive differences yet Ronnie is the best and Obama the worst.  Other than party, what could possibly cause people to view Ronnie in a more favorable light than Obama?  A black man and a white man essentially performed the same yet the white man gets a much better job review.  Good thing Racism us dead in this country.

     
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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die

    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.

     




    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 

    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.

    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?

     

     
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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die

    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.

     




    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 

    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.

    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?

     



    Yeah, pretty much.  Bush had pretty thoroughly messed up Afghanistan beyond saving.  We had a chance if we hadn't gone into Iraq, but once that decision was made, Afghanistan was toast.  We had to go into Afghanistan - primarily to get Bin Laden.  We could have gotten him and his top commanders at Tora Bora but Bush let him get away.

    Aside from HCR, Obama's entire time in office had spent cleaning the messes bush left him with added challenge of Congress trying to stop him.

    invading Iraq by itself is the worst foreign policy move ever.  But it has the added benefit of dooming Afghanistan.

    hard to understand how anyone who cast 2 votes for Bush shows their face in public, let alone makes snarky posts on websites.  Even harder to understand is how the SCJs that put W in office haven't thrown themselves at the feet of the American public, begging for forgiveness. They should at least have the decency to resign or not blatantly disregard the Constitution when deciding if something is constitutional or not.

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die

    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.

     




    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 

    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.

    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?

     



    Yeah, pretty much.  Bush had pretty thoroughly messed up Afghanistan beyond saving.  We had a chance if we hadn't gone into Iraq, but once that decision was made, Afghanistan was toast.  We had to go into Afghanistan - primarily to get Bin Laden.  We could have gotten him and his top commanders at Tora Bora but Bush let him get away.

    Aside from HCR, Obama's entire time in office had spent cleaning the messes bush left him with added challenge of Congress trying to stop him.

    invading Iraq by itself is the worst foreign policy move ever.  But it has the added benefit of dooming Afghanistan.

    hard to understand how anyone who cast 2 votes for Bush shows their face in public, let alone makes snarky posts on websites.  Even harder to understand is how the SCJs that put W in office haven't thrown themselves at the feet of the American public, begging for forgiveness. They should at least have the decency to resign or not blatantly disregard the Constitution when deciding if something is constitutional or not.



    I'm no fan of Bush, but anyone who thought an invasion of Afghanistan would or could go any different then it has needs to take a quick history lesson.

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die


    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.



    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 


     


    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.


    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?




    So you don't understand the difference between the pile of crappe you're left with and a situation which you created yourself?


    So when the previous president declares the war with Afghanistan the most important war this country has ever fought yet sent only a token force to actually win that war, who let that war fester and metastisize for 8 years, who was so inept at prosecuting the war that it became the longest conflict in US history ... and then leaves this flaming pile of feces for the next guy to fix ... that's comprable to any actions that began and ended within one administration?


    That's like blaming the surgeon who has to amputate a patients foot because the guy's PC doc didn't treat him for his diabetes.


    Dude you are seriously high on something ... Good Kush?


    Your convenient ignorance of any sense of continuity in major events is hilarious. It's as if all the incompetence of the previous adminstration is erased the day the next PotUS puts his hand on the bible.


    Like I said, it's a matter of those events you yourself set in motion versus the pile of dung your incompetent predecessor left on the way out the door.


    Any attempt at twisting that reality is just laughable.

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die

    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.

     




    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 

    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.

    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?

     



    Yeah, pretty much.  Bush had pretty thoroughly messed up Afghanistan beyond saving.  We had a chance if we hadn't gone into Iraq, but once that decision was made, Afghanistan was toast.  We had to go into Afghanistan - primarily to get Bin Laden.  We could have gotten him and his top commanders at Tora Bora but Bush let him get away.

    Aside from HCR, Obama's entire time in office had spent cleaning the messes bush left him with added challenge of Congress trying to stop him.

    invading Iraq by itself is the worst foreign policy move ever.  But it has the added benefit of dooming Afghanistan.

    hard to understand how anyone who cast 2 votes for Bush shows their face in public, let alone makes snarky posts on websites.  Even harder to understand is how the SCJs that put W in office haven't thrown themselves at the feet of the American public, begging for forgiveness. They should at least have the decency to resign or not blatantly disregard the Constitution when deciding if something is constitutional or not.



    I'm no fan of Bush, but anyone who thought an invasion of Afghanistan would or could go any different then it has needs to take a quick history lesson.




    Any moron who sent only a token force of, at the most 20,000 soldiers, to win a war against a people with the fierce history of Afghan fighters is incompetent.

    It's not like we didn't know what they were capable of after the Russian/Afghan proxy war we were involved in.

    It doesn't take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to know that fighting that kind of war, against a country which in all of history has never been brought to submission, requires overwhelming force, not a token army to try and occupy a country close to the size of Texas.

    We did it right in the first Gulf War so there's no excuse, except politics, not to do it right every time.

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

    Well, no.  I have a different perspective.  The first gulf war ended in a cease fire, which resulted in Saddam firing missiles daily at our planes, U.N. Inspectors being denied entry to various facilities, Saddam building and using several missile systems that were banned as part of the cease fire, and a brutal repression of the Kurds.

    This led to the second gulf war, quite directly.  The first gulf was was left unfinished.

    Now for the contentious part. There is no way to win a war like this without occupation, nation building.  This is where the war is own or lost.  We pulled our troops before we were able to rebuild Iraq into a better country. 

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die

    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.

     




    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 

    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.

    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?

     



    Yeah, pretty much.  Bush had pretty thoroughly messed up Afghanistan beyond saving.  We had a chance if we hadn't gone into Iraq, but once that decision was made, Afghanistan was toast.  We had to go into Afghanistan - primarily to get Bin Laden.  We could have gotten him and his top commanders at Tora Bora but Bush let him get away.

    Aside from HCR, Obama's entire time in office had spent cleaning the messes bush left him with added challenge of Congress trying to stop him.

    invading Iraq by itself is the worst foreign policy move ever.  But it has the added benefit of dooming Afghanistan.

    hard to understand how anyone who cast 2 votes for Bush shows their face in public, let alone makes snarky posts on websites.  Even harder to understand is how the SCJs that put W in office haven't thrown themselves at the feet of the American public, begging for forgiveness. They should at least have the decency to resign or not blatantly disregard the Constitution when deciding if something is constitutional or not.



    I'm no fan of Bush, but anyone who thought an invasion of Afghanistan would or could go any different then it has needs to take a quick history lesson.




    Any moron who sent only a token force of, at the most 20,000 soldiers, to win a war against a people with the fierce history of Afghan fighters is incompetent.

    It's not like we didn't know what they were capable of after the Russian/Afghan proxy war we were involved in.

    It doesn't take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to know that fighting that kind of war, against a country which in all of history has never been brought to submission, requires overwhelming force, not a token army to try and occupy a country close to the size of Texas.

    We did it right in the first Gulf War so there's no excuse, except politics, not to do it right every time.



    I thought we initially did it the right way.  We let afghans oust the Taliban and we provided air support.  But then we started sending in more troops.  We should have gotten Bin Laden at Tora bora and left.

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Well, no.  I have a different perspective.  The first gulf war ended in a cease fire, which resulted in Saddam firing missiles daily at our planes, U.N. Inspectors being denied entry to various facilities, Saddam building and using several missile systems that were banned as part of the cease fire, and a brutal repression of the Kurds.


    This led to the second gulf war, quite directly.  The first gulf was was left unfinished.


    Now for the contentious part. There is no way to win a war like this without occupation, nation building.  This is where the war is own or lost.  We pulled our troops before we were able to rebuild Iraq into a better country. 




    Mr N.Wit ...... Operation Iraqi Freedom was about WMD's and the Iraqis should build the country they want not what we want .


    You stated " this is where the war is own or lost " . What does that mean ... we own the destruction of Iraq and the neo cons lost the war by starting the war of choice in the first place .


    If you want to talk about brutal oppression you don't have to look no further then the SCOTUS ruling in favor of Hobby Horse.


    Semper Fi .

     
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    Different: Reagan saw 250 Marines that he sent to Beirut die from a terrorist attack, Obama saw 4 state department employees die

    So Afghanistan (aka the "good war") doesn't count?



    I think it matters whether the situation already existed or was entirely the result of the actions of one adminstration.

     




    We've been in Afghanistan (the good war, we were told by Democrats) for the entirety of the Obama administration. It was previously pointed out that President Obama got us out of Iraq. Based on that logic, it follows that he hasn't gotten us out of Afghanistan. 

    Despite the fact that we're no longer subjected to "grim milestones" anymore by the evening news the fact is that we've lost over 1500 servicemen in Afghanistan since President Obama was first elected.

    Are you saying that none of that belongs to President Obama?

     



    Yeah, pretty much.  Bush had pretty thoroughly messed up Afghanistan beyond saving.  We had a chance if we hadn't gone into Iraq, but once that decision was made, Afghanistan was toast.  We had to go into Afghanistan - primarily to get Bin Laden.  We could have gotten him and his top commanders at Tora Bora but Bush let him get away.

    Aside from HCR, Obama's entire time in office had spent cleaning the messes bush left him with added challenge of Congress trying to stop him.

    invading Iraq by itself is the worst foreign policy move ever.  But it has the added benefit of dooming Afghanistan.

    hard to understand how anyone who cast 2 votes for Bush shows their face in public, let alone makes snarky posts on websites.  Even harder to understand is how the SCJs that put W in office haven't thrown themselves at the feet of the American public, begging for forgiveness. They should at least have the decency to resign or not blatantly disregard the Constitution when deciding if something is constitutional or not.



    I'm no fan of Bush, but anyone who thought an invasion of Afghanistan would or could go any different then it has needs to take a quick history lesson.




    Any moron who sent only a token force of, at the most 20,000 soldiers, to win a war against a people with the fierce history of Afghan fighters is incompetent.

    It's not like we didn't know what they were capable of after the Russian/Afghan proxy war we were involved in.

    It doesn't take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to know that fighting that kind of war, against a country which in all of history has never been brought to submission, requires overwhelming force, not a token army to try and occupy a country close to the size of Texas.

    We did it right in the first Gulf War so there's no excuse, except politics, not to do it right every time.



    You actually hit the nail on the head right there even if you don't realize it. The Soviet union tried for years and spent trillions trying to take over that country, and it ultimately lead to there collapse, (not Reagan). You can't I invade a country that is made up of thousands of different ethnic groups , most of which don't even speak the same language, with impossible terrain, and not think it's going to be, an absolute drain of resources.

     
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    Well, no.  I have a different perspective.  The first gulf war ended in a cease fire, which resulted in Saddam firing missiles daily at our planes, U.N. Inspectors being denied entry to various facilities, Saddam building and using several missile systems that were banned as part of the cease fire, and a brutal repression of the Kurds.

     

    This led to the second gulf war, quite directly.  The first gulf was was left unfinished.

     

    Now for the contentious part. There is no way to win a war like this without occupation, nation building.  This is where the war is own or lost.  We pulled our troops before we were able to rebuild Iraq into a better country. 

     

     



    Mr N.Wit ...... Operation Iraqi Freedom was about WMD's and the Iraqis should build the country they want not what we want .

     

     

    You stated " this is where the war is own or lost " . What does that mean ... we own the destruction of Iraq and the neo cons lost the war by starting the war of choice in the first place .

     

    If you want to talk about brutal oppression you don't have to look no further then the SCOTUS ruling in favor of Hobby Horse.

     

    Semper Fi .



    You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    WMD's was only part of it. There were about 20 or so serious violations that Powell detailed to the U.N.

    But, that's besides the point. The 1st gulf war was ineffective in that it led to the 2nd gulf war, direct cause and effect.

    And before you go laying it all at Bush's feet, there was widespread bipartisan support, and widespread international support.

    the "own "statement: typo. Won or lost is what was intended.  The theory is that you need to devote a significant amount of time reforming the freshly conquered nation. We spent what, 50 years in Germany and Japan?

    what Obama did is lay the groundwork for what we see today, a country in chaos.

     
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     Don't think I have ever seen more posts removed than when RonnieRaygun Jr. entered the mix.  If someone is going to try to be a troll and make outrageous posts then they should be man enough to let responses stay.  I don't think I've seen a single post in response to RR that was any worse than the things he's posted about Obama.

     
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    Is there a Luther Heggs in this discussion ?

     
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    Re: Reagan Vs. Obama

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    Well, no.  I have a different perspective.  The first gulf war ended in a cease fire, which resulted in Saddam firing missiles daily at our planes, U.N. Inspectors being denied entry to various facilities, Saddam building and using several missile systems that were banned as part of the cease fire, and a brutal repression of the Kurds.

     

    This led to the second gulf war, quite directly.  The first gulf was was left unfinished.

     

    Now for the contentious part. There is no way to win a war like this without occupation, nation building.  This is where the war is own or lost.  We pulled our troops before we were able to rebuild Iraq into a better country. 

     

     



    Mr N.Wit ...... Operation Iraqi Freedom was about WMD's and the Iraqis should build the country they want not what we want .

     

     

    You stated " this is where the war is own or lost " . What does that mean ... we own the destruction of Iraq and the neo cons lost the war by starting the war of choice in the first place .

     

    If you want to talk about brutal oppression you don't have to look no further then the SCOTUS ruling in favor of Hobby Horse.

     

    Semper Fi .



    You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    WMD's was only part of it. There were about 20 or so serious violations that Powell detailed to the U.N.

    But, that's besides the point. The 1st gulf war was ineffective in that it led to the 2nd gulf war, direct cause and effect.

    And before you go laying it all at Bush's feet, there was widespread bipartisan support, and widespread international support.

    the "own "statement: typo. Won or lost is what was intended.  The theory is that you need to devote a significant amount of time reforming the freshly conquered nation. We spent what, 50 years in Germany and Japan?

    what Obama did is lay the groundwork for what we see today, a country in chaos.



    If the second gulf war was the direct result of the first one, then the first one was the direct result of backing Saddam Hussein throughout the 80s.  30 years later, in a discussion comparing Reagan to Obama, do you really want to talk about laying the groundwork?

     

     
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