Reasons I'll Give Obama a Chance

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    Reasons I'll Give Obama a Chance

    First off because I believe every president deserves the respect of the office, regardless of how much we disagree or dislike the person.

    I didn't vote for him, was scared of his record and history, but I believe the presidency lends itself to leaning towards the middle road regardless of which side one starts from. He is obviously extremely intelligent, and my hope is will become less partisan as president.

    Here is a list of things he has said (with the caveat that all politicians say things or stretch the truth during a campaign) that I would support him on:

    * Increased oil drilling
    * Believes marriage is between a man and a woman
    * Reduce federal spending
    * For clean coal
    * For safe increased nuclear power
    * Believes affirmative action should be based on class not skin color
    * Is bent on finding and killing Osama Bin Laden
    * Wants to change the old style politics of Washington
    * Wants to greatly reduce the influence of lobbyists
    * Tax cuts for 95% of taxpayers
    * Will win the war in Afghanistan
    * Will take the fight to Pakistan
    * All of his proposed programs are paid for, no new costs to taxpayers. i.e. health care
    * 2.5 million green jobs (hopefully in the private sector)
    * Government funded faith based initiatives
    * Supports bringing ROTC back to Columbia University
    * Will hire based on merit, not party or ideology. No jobs to anyone based on political contributions or affiliations
    * Fully fund the Veteran's Administration
    * Will make filing tax returns a 5 minute process for most of us
    * Will greatly reduce tax evasion
    * Remove capital gains taxes for small business
    * Every American will have high speed broadband access
    * Reduce oil consumption by 35% by 2025ish
    * Will reinstate pay as you go federal budget rules
    * Stop the genocide in Darfur, commiting U.S. soldiers to the effort
    * Revitalize the inner cities
    * Will secure our borders
    * Convince our NATO allies to contribute combat troops to collective operations
    * Keep the embargo of Cuba
    * Make our courts responsive, fair and trustworthy
    * All lobbyist government work will be available for us to monitor on-line
    * Will expand the Army and Marines
    * Will double fuel economy standards
    * Reduce electricity demand
    * Reduce high school dropout rates
    * Will impose severe penalties for voter fraud
    * Champion free market solutions.

    So I find there are many things I can support him on.
     
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    Bob: The tongue-in-cheek list is a good one. Based on your earlier congrats of the President-elect, I believe your first line is the serious one.

    Kenmore: Bush had the entire country behind him after 9/11. Also the whole world. And he lost it. Katrina. Patriot Act. Gitmo. WMDs. And have you noticed the economy lately? He will go down in history in the Bottom 5 and quite likely the Worst of All Time. Whine on.
     
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    Obama, has my support until he demonstrates he doesn't deserve it. Unlike the ardent left, I took my McCain bumpersticker off the day after the election and I don't see a need for an 01.20.13 bumpersticker.

    I'm encouraged by his shift to the center with his centrist Clinton II choices so far. I find it ironic that he now is embracing a lot of economic policies that were held by McCain during the campaign; cut spending by reviewing all Fed programs line by line and not to increase taxes during a severe economic downturn, now he needs to prevent the capitial gains tax increase from going through. His views on the Iraq withdrawal have been tempered by post election reality, he's proven he is just another "worthy" politician and I can support that.
     
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    [Quote]Obama, has my support until he demonstrates he doesn't deserve it. Unlike the ardent left, I took my McCain bumpersticker off the day after the election and I don't see a need for an 01.20.13 bumpersticker.

    I'm encouraged by his shift to the center with his centrist Clinton II choices so far. I find it ironic that he now is embracing a lot of economic policies that were held by McCain during the campaign; cut spending by reviewing all Fed programs line by line and not to increase taxes during a severe economic downturn, now he needs to prevent the capitial gains tax increase from going through. His views on the Iraq withdrawal have been tempered by post election reality, he's proven he is just another "worthy" politician and I can support that.

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    Capitol Gains tax is income. It has to be taxed.

    Giveaways to the wealthy like this are what got the country into the deficit it's been running for the past 8 years.

    The Republicans attitude toward economics focuses on taxes and wall street. The country can be running at a deficit, in dept already and with no long term plan for economic growth but as long as taxes are low and stocks are performing, the greedy scumbags who have enough wealth to survive an economic downturn keep the pedal to the metal.

    It's a disgrace.

    Capitol Gains is one that has to be taxed. The Caymen Islands need to be shut down. Tax breaks can still be given but the loopholes must involve incentives to create DOMESTIC jobs. We need a rational and fair attitude toward taxes. No more of this one sided, corporate funded full court press in the Washington Lobby to allow corporations and Banks to pay little to nothing.
     
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    The question remains. Who will Obama be?? The radical liberal of his actual record or the centrist who he claimed to be during the election???

    It will be interesting to see what he does. Actions speak louder than words that's why I'm skeptical. We will be watching closely.

    Happy Thanksgiving Everybody.

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    So far, Obama's rhetoric and appointments suggest he is intent on governing from the center. The "most liberal member of the Senate" was always an arbitrary definition of a selection of votes such that his record coincided with one side of that definition. I suspect the real lefties are going to be quite disappointed.
     
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    do you really think his attack dog Emmanuel is gonna be middle of the road?

    Do some research. Rahm Emanuel is a DLC style centrist.
     
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    [Quote]Obama, has my support until he demonstrates he doesn't deserve it. Unlike the ardent left, I took my McCain bumpersticker off the day after the election and I don't see a need for an 01.20.13 bumpersticker.

    I'm encouraged by his shift to the center with his centrist Clinton II choices so far. I find it ironic that he now is embracing a lot of economic policies that were held by McCain during the campaign; cut spending by reviewing all Fed programs line by line and not to increase taxes during a severe economic downturn, now he needs to prevent the capitial gains tax increase from going through. His views on the Iraq withdrawal have been tempered by post election reality, he's proven he is just another "worthy" politician and I can support that.
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    If you find it ironic you prolly spend too much time watching Fake News.
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from pajamaslavedancer. Show pajamaslavedancer's posts

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    [Quote]I am changing my mind on Obama to a certain degree. Of course it is all dependent on his actions as President. Before I was ready to impeach him on day 1 just to get in his way and prevent him from implementing socialist policies that would ruin the country.

    Well in the meantime, Bush has already implemented socialist policies that are ruining the country. Obama has SO FAR proven to be more of a pragmatist than an ideologue. Also the country is in very deep trouble and is facing the possibility of a depression and large scale civil unrest in late 2009/2010 timeframe if we do not get the economy under control. Given the stakes I will support him as our President until his actions give me reason to think otherwise.

    Right now I am glad he will be President rather than McCain. Right now.[/Quote]

    Did it ever occur to you that you were being lied to?
     
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    [Quote]So far, Obama's rhetoric and appointments suggest he is intent on governing from the center. The "most liberal member of the Senate" was always an arbitrary definition of a selection of votes such that his record coincided with one side of that definition. I suspect the real lefties are going to be quite disappointed.[/Quote]

    I think the job pulls you naturally to the center. I hope you are right...however, those liberals to the far left got him elected and they will be in his ear the whole way reminding him of that.

    Obama can be the President who rules from the middle and puts the nation first. He could also be the radical liberal who tries to put the federal government in control of everything. He could be the constant politician and rule by the polls with re-election being the driving force behind his decisions. We have to wait and see.
     
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    Right wingers are so funny. They seem utterly shocked that Obama isn't dining with BinLaden, the dems aren't sending evangelicals to concentration camps to have forced abortions, and the feds aren't mailing every household in the country a Koran with accompanying reading guide.

    Were you really that stupid to have believed what the RNC told you? I can accept if MCain saved you from drowning as a kid and you feel you owe him, I can accept if you're just a douchebag and a greedy sob that thought you'd personally benefit from a republican administration. But what I can't accept is you being so caught up in the propaganda to be surprised to discover that Obama is a pretty normal centrist moderate that actually wants to try to help the country through a crisis the likes of which no one has had to deal with since FDR.

    You guys are really deserve your reputations.
     
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    [Quote]

    I think the job pulls you naturally to the center. I hope you are right...however, those liberals to the far left got him elected and they will be in his ear the whole way reminding him of that.

    Obama can be the President who rules from the middle and puts the nation first. He could also be the radical liberal who tries to put the federal government in control of everything. He could be the constant politician and rule by the polls with re-election being the driving force behind his decisions. We have to wait and see.[/Quote]

    You're still not getting it. No. Obama can not be a radical any more than you can be a cat.
     
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    You're still not getting it. No. Obama can not be a radical any more than you can be a cat.[/Quote]

    Really?? Get what?? Obama can do whatever he wants. If he stays in the middle, he alienates the base that got him nominated. If he stays true to himself and stays far left, he alientates the center who elected him President. Each choice has consequences. But it's HIS choice.

    Have you gotten into the Thanskgiving punch a little early??
     
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    Try, just try to get it out of your head that Obama is a pinko commie Marxist. The base that got him nominated is centrist. True to himself would mean remaining a centrist. He's pragmatic, political, personable, and competent. This is the change America wanted.

    FYI, there is no far left in American politics. Just put that notion to bed. Bernie Sanders is marginalized, Kucinich is marginalized, and they're not even really lefties, just left of center.
     
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    Whaddya think "Hal" is a metaphor for in Clarke's movie?

    I've seen it BTW
     
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    You will give Obama a chance because you have no choice.

    He is not a conservative so he will inevitably do something you wont like at which point we can expect you to start screaming like a colicky baby during a quiet romantic dinner out on the town.
     
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    Isn't it at all possible that Obama was never the leftist radical whom the extreme right made him out ot be?? And even in the unlikely case that he was, does he really seem like the type of careless politician who would show it??

    There are many in the pundit-class on BOTH the right and left who are eating their words right now, who were previously so confident in their predictions that Obama would be "unelectable", a "flash-in-the-pan", or "all style, no substance."

    The truth is that Obama The Candidate never really tacked too far to the left; he would never have pulled in so many moderates if he had. So why would we expect him to do so as Obama The President?

    I'll grant this: it's wayyy early, and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet. But so far, in three short weeks, he has displayed a visage of leadership, intelligence and confidence we have not seen for quite some time. Well, thank goodness for that.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

     
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    [Quote]Obama is.....pragmatic, political, personable, and competent. This is the change America wanted..[/Quote]

    And they make fun of me because I admire Reagan for two terms of great accomplishments!
    ...Obama hasnt been inaugurated yet and the hero worship is nauseating.www.decrepitoldfool.com/images/01/oliphant-obama-worship435.gif" alt="" />
     
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    Last I heard, it was McCain calling for immigration reform (yesterday), and Obama calling for a review of ALL government agencies to determine where budgets can be cut. I think Obama will do fine. As for the capital gains tax--who has capital gains right now? Not a whole lot of folks!

    After 8 years of Bush, 6 with GOP Congresses handing him blank checks for Iraq, I have forgotten--which party is the fiscally conservative one again? The one that throws good money after bad in Iraq or the one that says "how are we going to pay for this"???
     
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    Reasons I'll Give Obama a Chance

    [Quote]Last I heard, it was McCain calling for immigration reform (yesterday), and Obama calling for a review of ALL government agencies to determine where budgets can be cut. I think Obama will do fine. As for the capital gains tax--who has capital gains right now? Not a whole lot of folks!

    After 8 years of Bush, 6 with GOP Congresses handing him blank checks for Iraq, I have forgotten--which party is the fiscally conservative one again? The one that throws good money after bad in Iraq or the one that says "how are we going to pay for this"???[/Quote]

    mhc

    If the capital gains doubles the end of this year the way it is supposed to then there will be even less incentive to invest in a shaky market and even worse those in the market that will need the capital gain (retirees) in the next few years will feel a need to pull out now to avoid the tax. That is not good for the market.
     
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    [Quote]

    If you find it ironic you prolly spend too much time watching Fake News.[/Quote]

    I stay away from Fox and MSNBC. I usually watch CNN, McLehr and McLaughlin and I do find Obama's switch to the McCain economic plan ironic, considering Obama and the LW ridiculed his plan during the late stages of the campaign and now Obama is invoking his plan.
     
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    [Quote]

    Capitol Gains tax is income. It has to be taxed.


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    ?? Capital Gains Tax is income.... for the Government.

    Sure you tax capital gains but when the market is in the basement and you want people to have an incentive to invest in the market, you don't want to give them a double whammy and double the tax on investment capital gains. There are a lot of retirees who rode the market down hoping for a recovery start next year before they need cash again. If the're going to see a doubling of the tax next year there will be not be an incentive to keep money in the market near term (over the next 12 mos). The retirees are the ones who invested years ago on a pay check by pay check basis and they're the ones who will get hit the hardest.
     
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    Reasons I'll Give Obama a Chance

    [Quote]Bob: The tongue-in-cheek list is a good one. Based on your earlier congrats of the President-elect, I believe your first line is the serious one.

    Kenmore: Bush had the entire country behind him after 9/11. Also the whole world. And he lost it. Katrina. Patriot Act. Gitmo. WMDs. And have you noticed the economy lately? He will go down in history in the Bottom 5 and quite likely the Worst of All Time. Whine on.
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    Hornet,

    The first line is certainly serious. The remainder is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but what led me to write is the pleasant fact I don't think he'll be as radical hard left as I feared. As I thought of some of his stated positions I realized many of them I can accept. There is a long list I'm against but that is for a different time.

    I realize he isn't even in office yet but what I'm hearing from him now isn't as scary as what I heard on the campaign trail and to me that is good. Time will tell.

    My guess is the radical left will be unhappy with him not catering to their agenda, but the vast number of us on neither fringe will be to some degree OK or happy with his years in the president's office.

    We can hope.

    Regards
     
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