Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

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    Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full

    Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau.

    There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers. ("Government workers", a term close to an oxymoron!)

    [Take out the no-heavy-lifting public sector workers from the equation, who are "takers" in that they are paid for by private sector taxpayers, add in the non-means tested programs, and it shows clearly the massive burden on the private sector will soon be unsustainable.]

    That means there were about 1.07 people getting some form of means-tested government benefit for every 1 person working full-time year round.

    The Census Bureau counted as recipients of means-tested government programs “anyone residing in a household in which one or more people received benefits from the program.” Many of these people lived in households receiving more than one form of means-tested benefit at the same time.

    Among the 108,592,000 people who fit the Census Bureau’s description of a means-tested benefit recipient in the fourth quarter of 2011 were 82,457,000 people in households receiving Medicaid, 49,073,000 beneficiaries of food stamps, 20,223,000 on Supplemental Security Income, 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing, and 5,854,000 in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Also among the 108,592,000 means-tested benefit recipients counted by the Census Bureau were people getting free or reduced-price lunch or breakfast, state-administered supplemental security income and means-tested veterans pensions. [How many millions more will soon be getting subsidies for their ObamaCare?]

    The 108,592,000 people who were recipients of means-tested government programs in the fourth quarter of 2011 does not include people who received benefits from non-means-tested government programs but not from means-tested ones. That would include, for example, people who received Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, or non-means-tested veterans compensation, but did not receive benefits from a means-tested program such as food stamps or public housing.

    In the fourth quarter of 2011, according to the Census Bureau, there were 49,901,000 people who received Social Security benefits, 46,440,000 who received Medicare benefits, 5,098,000 on unemployment, and 3,178,000 who received non-means-tested veterans compensation.

    When the people who received non-means-tested government benefits from programs such as Social Security, Medicare, unemployment and non-means-tested veterans compensation are added to those who received means-tested government programs such as food stamps, Supplemental Security Income and public housing, the total number of people receiving government benefits from one or more programs in the United States in 2011 climbs to 151,014,000, according to the Census Bureau.

    Wonderful news for progressives, yes?

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    harder and faster and longer, the govt dependents depend on you!!!

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    Maybe if the federal wage was a few buck higher an hour, government wouldn't have to pick up businesses' slack.

     And of course, people getting SS and unemployment already paid into the system. Conveniently forgotton so the tools can rant about libruls.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?

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    What a farce. So I guess you think any company that pays minimum wage or a little over minimum wage is "mooching"? Sorry if you doesn't like getting paid $8.53/hr for being a cashier. Don't like it? Get an education or learn a trade and stop crying about how little you get paid and that it's the fault of WalMart.

    What per hour wage would you be ok with for these cashiers? 

     

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    I don't think that putting the federal minimum wage back to historical levels is such a grave insult to the concept of personal responsibility. The fact of the matter is that the cost of living in areas within striking distance of a minimum wage job is so high that people can barely make it with two full-time jobs. The end result is either we subsidize the employers (corporate welfare) by providing what they don't, or get rid of the safety net.

    Or we can just harrumph at them because clearly, if they aren't doing as well as us they must be bad people. There is no reason but laziness to explain why they ended up in a minimum wage job...      right?

    Get an education. By all means. Then CLC can whine about the existence of college loans. Nevermind that the people working minimum wage jobs generally aren't in a position to get accepted into a college or trade school because their circumstances didn't allow it. Absentee, drugged-out parents. Parents in jail. Etc.

    That's probably their fault too. If one person is successful, why the only possible explanation for other peoples' failure to succeed must be laziness.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?

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    What a farce. So I guess you think any company that pays minimum wage or a little over minimum wage is "mooching"? Sorry if you doesn't like getting paid $8.53/hr for being a cashier. Don't like it? Get an education or learn a trade and stop crying about how little you get paid and that it's the fault of WalMart.

    What per hour wage would you be ok with for these cashiers? 

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Anyone willing to roll up their sleeves and work deserves a wage that provides them with dignity and not having to put their hand out for food or medical care.  These people are giving up the most important thing of all.......time out of their lives.  And you look down on them like they are bugs. 

     
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    I'm sure cashiers are actually type A personalities that are in that job by choice. Most prolly have a masters degree or even law degree but just choose to be a cashier....you know...for the freedom man. Don't be tieing me down with some corporate gig man. F' that. I want to work with the people. 

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:
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    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?

    [/QUOTE]

    What a farce. So I guess you think any company that pays minimum wage or a little over minimum wage is "mooching"? Sorry if you doesn't like getting paid $8.53/hr for being a cashier. Don't like it? Get an education or learn a trade and stop crying about how little you get paid and that it's the fault of WalMart.

    What per hour wage would you be ok with for these cashiers? 

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Anyone willing to roll up their sleeves and work deserves a wage that provides them with dignity and not having to put their hand out for food or medical care.  These people are giving up the most important thing of all.......time out of their lives.  And you look down on them like they are bugs. 

    [/QUOTE]

    That's quite an ASSumption you make. Sorry if calling a spade a spade hurts your feelings. 

    So again....what hourly wage do you think a cashier should make?

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

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    I'm sure cashiers are actually type A personalities that are in that job by choice. Most prolly have a masters degree or even law degree but just choose to be a cashier....you know...for the freedom man. Don't be tieing me down with some corporate gig man. F' that. I want to work with the people. 

    [/QUOTE]


    Um, ok.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?



    What a farce. So I guess you think any company that pays minimum wage or a little over minimum wage is "mooching"? Sorry if you doesn't like getting paid $8.53/hr for being a cashier. Don't like it? Get an education or learn a trade and stop crying about how little you get paid and that it's the fault of WalMart.

    What per hour wage would you be ok with for these cashiers? 

     

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    You have no problem with Mcd's free market solution that underpaid workers should augment their meager earnings with welfare benefits, the same benefits righties are railing against and set to cut by another 5 billion dollars in just a few days?  

    Are you ignoring the fact that not everybody CAN go to college, not everybody can AFFORD college, and that no matter what some people will have to take the loewer paying retail jobs, because we look to China, India, and other offshore locations to do work that Americans used to be able to do because people in those countries can do the work for pennies a day?  

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?

    [/QUOTE]

    What a farce. So I guess you think any company that pays minimum wage or a little over minimum wage is "mooching"? Sorry if you doesn't like getting paid $8.53/hr for being a cashier. Don't like it? Get an education or learn a trade and stop crying about how little you get paid and that it's the fault of WalMart.

    What per hour wage would you be ok with for these cashiers? 

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Anyone willing to roll up their sleeves and work deserves a wage that provides them with dignity and not having to put their hand out for food or medical care.  These people are giving up the most important thing of all.......time out of their lives.  And you look down on them like they are bugs. 

    [/QUOTE]

    No they don't.  They deserve what the job pays, period.

    Labor rates are not defined by need, but by the value the labor brings.  Bring a small amount of value, expect a small wage.

    Look, many of these jobs are second jobs, as we are transitioning largely to a multi-job /part time economy, or they are the second job in the family, adding to the overall income of the family.

    The way you paint the situation is as if people are forced into these jobs.  That just isn't so, and no one owes them somethign above and beyond the value of the job, for that job.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    I say we beat minimum wage workers with rods in the forum. That should teach them to stop being so lazy.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    They deserve what the job pays, period.



    It's not a moral issue.

    It's not an ideological issue.

    It's not about what anyone deserves, in your holiness's or pinkie's opinion.

    It's a pragmatic issue about the economy. Trickle down doesn't work. Trickle up does.

     

     

    Unless you advocate getting rid of the safety net (which you do, which is why I don't expect you to get any of this), the fact of the matter is that we make up for McDonald's slack. This wasn't happening when minimum wage was around $10 in real dollar terms. Now it's $7.25.

    Also, the economy was outright booming then so don't tell me nonsense stories about how McDonald's will have to charge ten dollars for a hamburger and angels will die if we raise the minimum wage.

    Nevermind we're also paying out the behind for health insurance, in part because of all the people constantly stuffing their face with McDonald's.

     

    Raise the minimum wage and we'll be paying less out in welfare. The workers in turn will have more to spend. Unlike rich people who don't have to spend, minimum wage workers have to spend, so they will regardless of the economy.

    Trickle up works.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to DamainAllen's comment:
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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    What you don't get is food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid are plain and simple handouts to big corporations.

    The hotline that McDonalds has for their employees who can't afford to feed their families actually tells the callers to get food stamps and Medicaid.  Their budget advice is to get a second full time job.

    Corporations like WalMart use the system so they don't have to pay their employees a living wage. That way, the taxpayers get to provide health care and food to the companies' employees.  Meanwhile corp taxes couldn't be lower.

    Why do you defend moochers like Wal Mart who use your tax dollars to subsidize their employees?

    [/QUOTE]

    What a farce. So I guess you think any company that pays minimum wage or a little over minimum wage is "mooching"? Sorry if you doesn't like getting paid $8.53/hr for being a cashier. Don't like it? Get an education or learn a trade and stop crying about how little you get paid and that it's the fault of WalMart.

    What per hour wage would you be ok with for these cashiers? 

     

    [/QUOTE]

    You have no problem Mcd's free market solution that underpaid workers should augment their meager earnings with welfare benefits, the same benefits righties are railing against and set to cut by another 5 billion dollars in just a few days?  

    Are you ignoring the fact that not everybody CAN go to college, not everybody can AFFORD college, and that no matter what some people will have to take the loewer paying retail jobs, because we look to China, India, and other offshore locations to do work that Americans used to be able to do because people in those countries can do the work for pennies a day?  

    [/QUOTE]

    Who says you have to go to college to not be poor? How about learning a trade? Electrician, plumber, mechanic, carpenter, etc. Become a cop, fireman, work two jobs if you have to.

    That being said, we have a minimum wage in this country and certain jobs that don't require an skill get paid the minimum or little above. Sorry but that's how it works. Should a non-skilled job get paid what a skilled job gets? Until our fine govt decides to up the minimum wage then cashiers will continue to get paid what they get paid. 

     
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    I say we beat minimum wage workers with rods in the forum. That should teach them to stop being so lazy.

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    Um, ok.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    Should a non-skilled job get paid what a skilled job gets?


    Nobody's advocating for that.

    I say it should be where it was in real dollar terms, in the mid 60's.

    Username didn't state an amount.

     

     

    Nobody here is saying that a cashier should get lawyer rates or plumber rates.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:
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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    [QUOTE]Should a non-skilled job get paid what a skilled job gets?[/QUOTE]

    Nobody's advocating for that.

     

    I say it should be where it was in real dollar terms, in the mid 60's.

    Username didn't state an amount.

     

     

    Nobody here is saying that a cashier should get lawyer rates or plumber rates.

    [/QUOTE]

    Problem is no one is stating what the amount should be. I'm looking for someone, anyone to put a dollar figure to it. What should a cashier get paid for an hour wage? Not that difficult of a question.

     
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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:
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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    [QUOTE]Should a non-skilled job get paid what a skilled job gets?



    Nobody's advocating for that.

     

    I say it should be where it was in real dollar terms, in the mid 60's.

    Username didn't state an amount.

     

     

    Nobody here is saying that a cashier should get lawyer rates or plumber rates.

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    Problem is no one is stating what the amount should be. I'm looking for someone, anyone to put a dollar figure to it. What should a cashier get paid for an hour wage? Not that difficult of a question.

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    As I said...I think it should be where it was in the mid-60s in real dollar terms, which was about $10/hr. It's not even that much more, but it's enough to make a very important difference in monthly income.

    Business weren't hurt (in fact, McDonald's was in its period of greatest growth), the economy was booming, etc.

    It's not simply aboutwhat a cashier should make - as if this is some objectiv or moral truth. It's about the overall economy and cutting government spending.

     
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    Re: Recipients of means-tested government benefits now outnumber full-time workers. Better work harder!

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    Sounds like the wingnuts like having all these people on gov't programs.



    If they weren't on the gov't programs, they couldn't blame Ds for the government programs.

     
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