Red State Socialism must be stopped

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    Red State Socialism must be stopped

    Daily Beast: " I get why Mississippi voters of all parties, races, and creeds pulled together at the very last minute to give Sen. Thad Cochran a win in his GOP primary and thus effectively another six years in the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body™ (also known as the League of Unextraordinary Gentlemen).


    The short version: Cochran has been very, very good to the Magnolia State, first as a congressman (1973-1978) and then as a senator (1978-forever). Not because he has authored or championed legislation that has expanded the scope of human freedom and flourishing. No, he’s just one of the great elder statesmen of what should be called out as “Red State Socialism,” the process by which supposedly conservative states—typically filled with politicians and voters who rail against welfarism in all its manifestations—are gifted massive subsidies....


    In 2012, he voted to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank, one of the purest excresences of crony capitalism imaginable. The bank secures loans and other goodies to foreign companies and governments to buy American products; its client list is dominated by industry giants such as GE, Boeing, and Caterpillar.


    Unsurprisingly, Cochran tried to keep earmarks alive, as such federally funded gifts to specific interests back home were among the things he was known for. The GOP establishment in Mississippi—folks such as former Sen. Trent Lott and former Gov. Haley Barbour—explicitly pointed to Cochran’s unparalleled ability to bring home the bacon and fry it up in the pan as a reason to give him a seventh term as senator. “Over the years, we’ve had to fight for funds,” explained Lott in an ad. “Without Thad Cochran we could lose some of these important facilities.” For his part, Barbour stressed “how much [Cochran] has helped and can continue to help Mississippi.”


    The Democrats I can understand: They are explicitly in favor of bigger government, whether it’s paid for or not.


    But the Republicans? They’re supposed to be the party of fiscal discipline and good, old-fashioned values like paying your own way and keeping government small, limited, and constitutional. Republicans, it turns out, have no shame and no excuse for not just putting up with the likes of Cochran but rushing to his defense at the very moment he was—finally—going to have to search for honest work."


    It is no coincidence that Mississippi is a poor state,  and a state given a lot of tax dollars.....


    Kudos to the GOP: You’ll hang onto that seat in Mississippi. But if you ever want to get serious about growing your popularity or, more importantly, actually enacting policies based on your limited-government rhetoric, you’re going to have go after red-state socialism with the same energy and drive you go after Tea Party candidates who challenge the status quo.

     
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    All of the Red States are like this.  They're all welfare states.  Without Federal help, the quality of life would be even worse.  And you expect the people of Mississippi to toss him out of office for someone who can't bring home the bacon?  You expect people to elect people who will make their lives harder?  You're nuts.  

     

     
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    All of the Red States are like this.  They're all welfare states.  Without Federal help, the quality of life would be even worse.  And you expect the people of Mississippi to toss him out of office for someone who can't bring home the bacon?  You expect people to elect people who will make their lives harder?  You're nuts.  

     

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    Do you think it's some kind of character flaw in the red state citizenery or perhaps just a symptom of a broken political system?

     

     
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    All of the Red States are like this.  They're all welfare states.  Without Federal help, the quality of life would be even worse.  And you expect the people of Mississippi to toss him out of office for someone who can't bring home the bacon?  You expect people to elect people who will make their lives harder?  You're nuts.  

     

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    It is totally nuts to assert that the way to prosperity is through the federal government redistributing wealth...and subsidizing failure...

    As to 'welfare" .....If an individual gets a Government check, either as a public sector worker or a welfare recipient, they overwhelmingly vote for the Party of Government, the Democrats. Self reliant private sector workers vote Republican.

     
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    Self reliant private sector workers vote Republican.

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    Not in my house.  

     
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    Compare the policies of two of the largest states in terms of both population and electoral votes. Texas, thriving with population growth and job creation, is decidedly red. California, failing with loss of population and high unemployment, is decidedly blue.

    Here are the 15 states with the worst economic outlook for 2014. With the exception of Kentucky and Montana, all are blue states:

    Hawaii, New Mexico, Washington, Kentucky, Maine, Rhode Island, Oregon, Montana, Connecticut, New Jersey, Minnesota, California, Illinois, Vermont, and New York.

    Here are the 15 states with the best economic outlook for 2014. With the exception of Nevada, Virginia, and Michigan, all are red states:

    Utah, South Dakota, Indiana, North Dakota, Idaho, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Wyoming, Virginia, Michigan, Texas, Mississippi, and Kansas.

    The electoral map sure to change in 2016 in what promises to be a pivotal election after eight years of big government marked by  runaway spending, higher taxes, more regulations, and growing debt. The red states with their positive economic outlooks can lead the way, turning some states from blue to purple or even red.

     
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    It's simple: The wingnut states take all this money from the federal gov't so that they can buy votes and lure businesses via low/no state taxes.


    If the red states got off the gov't dole they would soon realize that personal responsibility and self-sufficiency costs far more than their willing ... or able ... to pay.


     

     
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    All of the Red States are like this.  They're all welfare states.  Without Federal help, the quality of life would be even worse.  And you expect the people of Mississippi to toss him out of office for someone who can't bring home the bacon?  You expect people to elect people who will make their lives harder?  You're nuts.  

     

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    It is totally nuts to assert that the way to prosperity is through the federal government redistributing wealth...and subsidizing failure...

    As to 'welfare" .....If an individual gets a Government check, either as a public sector worker or a welfare recipient, they overwhelmingly vote for the Party of Government, the Democrats. Self reliant private sector workers vote Republican.

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    There is no redder state than Oklahoma.  Oklahoma is a HUUUGGGEEE recipient of Federal money.  Not to mention that state was saved by the Feds in the 30s.  Between farm subsidies, tax breaks for oil companies, the large military presence in the state - its got 3 Air Force Bases, an Army base, a Navy presence, and  Coast Guard presence - it is completely dependent on the Federal Government. 

    The residents have this self image of being self-reliant.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

     
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    Compare the policies of two of the largest states in terms of both population and electoral votes. Texas, thriving with population growth and job creation, is decidedly red. California, failing with loss of population and high unemployment, is decidedly blue.

    Here are the 15 states with the worst economic outlook for 2014. With the exception of Kentucky and Montana, all are blue states:

    Hawaii, New Mexico, Washington, Kentucky, Maine, Rhode Island, Oregon, Montana, Connecticut, New Jersey, Minnesota, California, Illinois, Vermont, and New York.

    Here are the 15 states with the best economic outlook for 2014. With the exception of Nevada, Virginia, and Michigan, all are red states:

    Utah, South Dakota, Indiana, North Dakota, Idaho, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Wyoming, Virginia, Michigan, Texas, Mississippi, and Kansas.

    The electoral map sure to change in 2016 in what promises to be a pivotal election after eight years of big government marked by  runaway spending, higher taxes, more regulations, and growing debt. The red states with their positive economic outlooks can lead the way, turning some states from blue to purple or even red.

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    San Diego is very conservative - and very dependent on the Federal Government.

     
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    If this is all true I'm wondering why y'all are so willing to subsidize the red states through your taxes. Seems... counterintuitive.

     

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    Self reliant private sector workers vote Republican.

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    Not in my house.  

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    Can't fix stupid.

     
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    Compare the policies of two of the largest states in terms of both population and electoral votes. Texas, thriving with population growth and job creation, is decidedly red. California, failing with loss of population and high unemployment, is decidedly blue.

    Here are the 15 states with the worst economic outlook for 2014. With the exception of Kentucky and Montana, all are blue states:

    Hawaii, New Mexico, Washington, Kentucky, Maine, Rhode Island, Oregon, Montana, Connecticut, New Jersey, Minnesota, California, Illinois, Vermont, and New York.

    Here are the 15 states with the best economic outlook for 2014. With the exception of Nevada, Virginia, and Michigan, all are red states:

    Utah, South Dakota, Indiana, North Dakota, Idaho, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Wyoming, Virginia, Michigan, Texas, Mississippi, and Kansas.

    The electoral map sure to change in 2016 in what promises to be a pivotal election after eight years of big government marked by  runaway spending, higher taxes, more regulations, and growing debt. The red states with their positive economic outlooks can lead the way, turning some states from blue to purple or even red.

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    San Diego is very conservative - and very dependent on the Federal Government.

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    Navy base.

    that is the federal government.

    this is a silly argument from the left.  So, having a navy base means the city is filled with wanton dependents.

     
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    All of the Red States are like this.  They're all welfare states.  Without Federal help, the quality of life would be even worse.  And you expect the people of Mississippi to toss him out of office for someone who can't bring home the bacon?  You expect people to elect people who will make their lives harder?  You're nuts.  

     

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    It is totally nuts to assert that the way to prosperity is through the federal government redistributing wealth...and subsidizing failure...

    As to 'welfare" .....If an individual gets a Government check, either as a public sector worker or a welfare recipient, they overwhelmingly vote for the Party of Government, the Democrats. Self reliant private sector workers vote Republican.

    [/QUOTE]

    There is no redder state than Oklahoma.  Oklahoma is a HUUUGGGEEE recipient of Federal money.  Not to mention that state was saved by the Feds in the 30s.  Between farm subsidies, tax breaks for oil companies, the large military presence in the state - its got 3 Air Force Bases, an Army base, a Navy presence, and  Coast Guard presence - it is completely dependent on the Federal Government. 

    The residents have this self image of being self-reliant.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

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    Tax breaks for oil companies? I thought they were subsidies.

    you are slipping.

     
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    If this is all true I'm wondering why y'all are so willing to subsidize the red states through your taxes. Seems... counterintuitive.



    Why is it counter intuitive?


    I don't mind helping those who are unable to help themselves.


    What's counterintuitive is that the wingnuts believe the empty rhetoric by their pols that they are 'self-reliant' and they have a sense of 'personal responsibility' ... despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

     

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