Republican War on Conservation

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    Republican War on Conservation

    States look to tax hybrid and electric car owners to recoup road funding



     
     

    North Carolina is joining a growing number of states exploring new fees for hybrid and electric car owners to help make up for revenue those drivers aren't paying in gas taxes on their fuel-efficient vehicles.

    The proposal strikes many owners of alternative-fuel vehicles and some advocacy groups as a wrong-headed approach to balancing priorities of promoting U.S. energy independence with sustainable infrastructure funding. But policymakers and some experts argue taxing hybrid and electric vehicle owners is a matter of making sure all drivers help maintain the roads they use and construct new ones.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/09/states-look-to-tax-hybrid-and-electric-car-owners-to-recoup-road-funding/?test=latestnews#ixzz2VqGCyzQX
     
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    Re: Republican War on Conservation

    Even worse is Texas, where they have effectively banned Tesla from selling cars in their state.

    So much for free market principles, I guess....

     

     

     
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    Re: Republican War on Conservation

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    What ever happened to that quaint wingnut idea of allowing people to make personal choices, including what car to drive?

     

     



    Yeah, but hybrids and EVs are for hippie pinko queeer libruls...so scrooo 'em.

     

    One would think that "conservatives" and "conservationists" would share more than just their first 10 letters...but alas....

     

     

     

     
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    So do you actually think having to pay some type of fee is going to stop people from buying hybrids and therfore hurting conservation??? Sigh.....unreal. Talk about 'sky is falling' mentality.

     

     
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    What ever happened to that quaint wingnut idea of allowing people to make personal choices, including what car to drive?

     

     



    How is a fee stopping people from making personal choices on what type of car they drive? 

     

     
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    North Carolina is joining a growing number of states exploring new fees for hybrid and electric car owners to help make up for revenue those drivers aren't paying in gas taxes on their fuel-efficient vehicles.

    Basically, this is a symptom of a government's addiction to tax revenues. That tends to override any other petty concerns.

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    [QUOTE]North Carolina is joining a growing number of states exploring new fees for hybrid and electric car owners to help make up for revenue those drivers aren't paying in gas taxes on their fuel-efficient vehicles.

     

    Basically, this is a symptom of a government's addiction to tax revenues. That tends to override any other petty concerns.

     

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    Sounds more like an addiction to idiocy.

     

     

     
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    Re: Republican War on Conservation

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    What ever happened to that quaint wingnut idea of allowing people to make personal choices, including what car to drive?

     

     

     



    How is a fee stopping people from making personal choices on what type of car they drive? 

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    That's what I thought

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

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    What ever happened to that quaint wingnut idea of allowing people to make personal choices, including what car to drive?

     


    Yeah, but hybrids and EVs are for hippie pinko queeer libruls...so scrooo 'em.

    One would think that "conservatives" and "conservationists" would share more than just their first 10 letters...but alas....

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    Heh, ya getting the "conservatives" to embrace either their political roots or the etymology of their nomenclature would be like them allowing St Ronnie into today's party....ain't gonna happen.

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    I'm not trying to be glib about it...

    ...but somewhere along the way, conservatism came to mean "using as much of our fossil fuel resources as possible without concern for the environmental consequences".

    I just don't see anything "conservative" (politically or any) about that position.

     

     
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    [QUOTE]North Carolina is joining a growing number of states exploring new fees for hybrid and electric car owners to help make up for revenue those drivers aren't paying in gas taxes on their fuel-efficient vehicles.

     

     

    Basically, this is a symptom of a government's addiction to tax revenues. That tends to override any other petty concerns.

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    But I thought the neo-cons were trying to cut taxes and cut gov't and cut gov't intrusion and cut picking favorites....etc.

     

    Are you saying that's all just empty rhetoric?

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    Who specifically is saying cut taxes and cut gov't and cut gov't intrusion and cut picking favorites....etc.?

     
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    Sounds more like an addiction to idiocy.

    This is also a very common attribute of governments.

     

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    Who specifically is saying cut taxes and cut gov't and cut gov't intrusion and cut picking favorites....etc.?

     



    The GOP......specific enough?

     
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    Who specifically is saying cut taxes and cut gov't and cut gov't intrusion and cut picking favorites....etc.?

     

     



    The GOP......specific enough?

     

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    No, it's not. Who specifically is saying it? Federal level? State level? There is a difference ya know

     
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    [QUOTE]Sounds more like an addiction to idiocy.

     

    This is also a very common attribute of governments.

     

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    And people.

     

     
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    Re: Republican War on Conservation

    HUH? A Republican war on conservation? That is pretty lame. Why bother to even comment after exposing your self as inane?

    Secondly, these cars are really not much more eco-friendly than a normal car that gets reasonably good gas mileage. Why is that? The carbon emissions from the manufacturing process are 5 times that of making a gas powered car because of the battery. Then you have to charge them using electricity that comes from fossil fuel plants anyway.

    The government made a huge mistake throwing billions at the car companies. That money should have gone towards replacing fossil fuel plants with renewable sources.

     
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    "electric cars wear down roads "

    The failed electric cars haven't worn down many roads....they have worn out taxpayer's wallets for billions, though....

    Latest failure:

    "If only consumers had embraced an electric future when it came to cars, the little Coda would have been a success.

    But they didn't. And the electric car with a body made in China was caught in the undertow. Only 100 of them were sold since 2012.

    Parent company Coda Holdings filed for bankruptcy protection Wednesday in Delaware. Bloomberg Business News says Los Angeles-based Coda Holdings is seeking to sell its assets to a publicly traded private equity group, Fortress Investment Group, for $25 million. It listed assets of up to $50 million and debt of $100 million.

    Coda becomes the latest casualty on the electric highway, following the Think car, Aptera and others. Fisker Automotive, a plug-in hybrid-car maker, could be next.

    Coda's likely passing will be viewed as a mere blip in the autosphere. Unlike Fisker or Tesla Motors, it didn't receive any government loans. It put together a few dealers, but never really expanded outside of California, where its cars are seldom seen...

     
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    Obama’s Electric Vehicle Loans Program is a Failure

    the report this month about the shutdown of Vehicle Production Group – beneficiary of a $50-million stimulus loan from the Department of Energy – means the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing initiative within the Loan Program Office has been a thorough failure.

    All five ATVM recipients, awarded a total of $8.4 billion of taxpayer-backed financing under the Recovery Act, have earned derision to some degree. Most fit into the already much-ridiculed electric vehicles program. VPG was funded to produce wheelchair-accessible passenger vehicles that ran on compressed natural gas.

    The recipients range from the start-ups (Fisker AutomotiveTesla and VPG) to the established (Ford Motor Company and Nissan). The highest-profile flop, by far, has been Fisker, with its single $102,000-plus electric model built for wealthy California elites that couldn’t muster a stronger review from Consumer Reports than “the fourth-worst luxury sedan” on the market, among many other problems. The taxpayer beneficiary of $192 million now teeters on the edge of bankruptcy, and now non-electric VPG has blamed its own downfall on the Fisker fiasco fallout.

     
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