Ronald Reagan's missile defense vision is saving lives in Israel

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    Ronald Reagan's missile defense vision is saving lives in Israel

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     Liberals scoffed in 1983 when President Ronald Reagan first proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative missile defense system. They called it "Star Wars" and claimed the technology was fictional. Other critics took a different tack, arguing that Star Wars would be harmful if it did work because it would upset the delicate nuclear balance between the United States and Soviet Union.


    The Soviets depended on the threat of mutual assured destruction in order to maintain diplomatic parity with a wealthier, more advanced adversary. To disturb that balance, some analysts argued, would destabilize the international order. Of course, the Soviets, whose entire system of government was rooted in the use of terror, opposed even a shared American-Soviet missile defense system for precisely this reason.


    Three decades after Reagan's landmark proposal, the technical issue is moot. This week, the world has watched Israel's Iron Dome system -- partially funded by the U.S. and incorporating U.S. technology -- perform remarkably well against more than 1,000 Hamas rockets fired from the Gaza Strip. When rockets are launched, Iron Dome calculates almost instantly whether they are headed for populated areas, then intercepts them as needed. The Israeli military says Iron Dome has been 87 to 90 percent effective and is the key reason why there's been only one Israeli civilian fatality.


     President Obama erred in 2013 with his decision to scrap -- in response to Russian objections -- a planned system in Europe to defend against missile threats from the Middle East. Obama won no good will from the Russians, even as he forfeited an important opportunity to strengthen U.S. allies against future threats. Missile defense allows strong nations to defend themselves against weaker enemies without resorting to terrorist tactics or fighting bloody wars. This is a win-win, except for terrorists like Hamas and national rulers bent on aggression against neighbors."


    Liberals: proven wrong on most every political issue since around 1932....

     
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    Liberals scoffed in 1983 when President Ronald Reagan first proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative missile defense system. They called it "Star Wars" and claimed the technology was fictional.



    It WAS fictional in 1983.


    Iron Dome went l i v e in 2011.


     


     


    I know you have trouble with things like the arrow of time and causality but....really... 


    I'd at least expect you to have a sense of how much technology has improved in those three decades.

     
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     President Obama erred in 2013 with his decision to scrap -- in response to Russian objections -- a planned system in Europe to defend against missile threats from the Middle East.




    Why can't Europe build its own defense against rockets from the middle east?

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.

    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.

    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.

     
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    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.





    Intercepted 90% of those that would land in populated areas. They don't care as much about a goat in the desert or whatever getting blown up.


    http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Iron-Dome-ups-its-interception-rate-to-over-90-percent


     


    However, you are correct that the system simply isn't designed for intercepting ICBMs.

     
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    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

    Intercepted 90% of those that would land in populated areas. They don't care as much about a goat in the desert or whatever getting blown up.


    http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Iron-Dome-ups-its-interception-rate-to-over-90-percent" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Iron-Dome-ups-its-interception-rate-to-over-90-percent





    There is a lot of disagreement over it's effectiveness. Experts in missle defense have a different take on the shield.


    The New York Times, noted for its authoritative reporting, wrote that the Israeli Army contended Iron Dome "intercepted about 27 percent of all the rockets fired between Monday night and midday Wednesday."But the Times did not indicate how many missiles had been targeted, leaving the efficiency of the Iron Dome system in this conflict unclear, even as the newspaper reported that "Israel has said that the system has a success rate of nearly 90 percent in intercepting the missiles it is meant to thwart."


     


    Ted Postol, an MIT-based missile defense expert and frequent Bulletin contributor, provided a dose of context to the Iron Dome coverage in a National Public Radio interview Wednesday. "We can tell, for sure, from video images and even photographs that the Iron Dome system is not working very well at all," Postol said. "It—my guess is maybe [it hits a targeted missile] 5 percent of the time—could be even lower. ... And when you look—what you can do in the daytime—you can see the smoky contrail of each Iron Dome interceptor, and you can see the Iron Domes trying to intercept the artillery rockets side on and from behind. In those geometries, the Iron Dome has no chance, for all practical purposes, of destroying the artillery rocket."


     


    http://thebulletin.org/iron-dome-public-relations-weapon7308

     
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    And the US pays hundreds of millions of dollars annually for it.  US taxpayer dollars that go directly to Raytheon to build a system to protect Israel.

    Its a very impressive system that clearly saves lives, but shouldn't Israel be paying 100% of the cost?

     

     
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    Re: Ronald Reagan's missile defense vision is saving lives in Israel

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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.

    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.

    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.



    You are correct.
    Reagan won the Cold War and his vision of a Missile defense system has won the day as well.

     

     
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    "The New York Times, noted for its authoritative reporting..."

    Thanks for the laugh.

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.


    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.


    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.


    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.




    You are correct.
    Reagan won the Cold War and his vision of a Missile defense system has won the day as well.




    Heh, heh, heh ... Ya, in the 60's and 70's ronnie-raygun was also a 'rocket surgeon' ... apparently his Alzheimers goes back farther then we knew.


    And by-the-by, that 'star wars' anti-ICBM system ... still doesn't work today, 30+ years later.

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.


    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.


    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.


    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.


     



    You are correct.
    Reagan won the Cold War and his vision of a Missile defense system has won the day as well.

     

     

     

     




    Heh, heh, heh ... Ya, in the 60's ronnie-raygun was also a 'rocket surgeon' ... his Alzheimers goes back farther then we knew.




    Your childish use of silly names like "ray-gun" and "Baby Bush" , reflects the grade school level of your substantive arguments...

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.

     

    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

     

    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.

     

    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.

     

     



    You are correct.
    Reagan won the Cold War and his vision of a Missile defense system has won the day as well.

     

     

     

     




    Heh, heh, heh ... Ya, in the 60's ronnie-raygun was also a 'rocket surgeon' ... his Alzheimers goes back farther then we knew.




    Your childish use of silly names like "ray-gun" and "Baby Bush" , reflects the grade school level of your substantive arguments...




    And your belief tha Ronald Reagan "won" the cold war proves that you probably didn't pay attention in school at all. Afghanistan bankrupted the Soviet union leading to its eventual collapse.

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.

     

    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

     

    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.

     

    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.

     

     



    You are correct.
    Reagan won the Cold War and his vision of a Missile defense system has won the day as well.

     

     

     

     




    Heh, heh, heh ... Ya, in the 60's ronnie-raygun was also a 'rocket surgeon' ... his Alzheimers goes back farther then we knew.




    Your childish use of silly names like "ray-gun" and "Baby Bush" , reflects the grade school level of your substantive arguments...




    Says the guy who is constantly trolling with 'colorful' names for 'libruls'.

    And according to you, even at a "grade school level" my arguments are "substantive" ... so there's that.

     
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     President Obama erred in 2013 with his decision to scrap -- in response to Russian objections -- a planned system in Europe to defend against missile threats from the Middle East.

     

     



    Why can't Europe build its own defense against rockets from the middle east?

     




    Well, traditionally Europeans have been much too busy protesting American imperialism while simultaneously being dependent on American power to defend them against eastern block aggression to really worry too much about their own defense.

    But at least they have mediocre government run health care systems.

     

     
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    Liberals scoffed in 1983 when President Ronald Reagan first proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative missile defense system. They called it "Star Wars" and claimed the technology was fictional.



    It WAS fictional in 1983.

     

    Iron Dome went l i v e in 2011.

     

     

     

     

     

    I know you have trouble with things like the arrow of time and causality but....really... 

     

    I'd at least expect you to have a sense of how much technology has improved in those three decades.




     
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    I thought they just had a successful test of Star Wars a week or so ago. 

    Only took 30 years.

     
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    Re: Ronald Reagan's missile defense vision is saving lives in Israel

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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.

    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.

    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.



    The Quassam is not a "homemade" rocket. 

    Stop trying to make these well-funded terrorist thugs look like victims scratching together some sort of clever defense.

     
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    I thought they just had a successful test of Star Wars a week or so ago. 

    Only took 30 years.



    There have been several successful tests of the Star Wars concepts going all the way back to the 80's.

    the Patriot, for example, was developed in the late 80's, used in the early 90's.

     
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    I thought they just had a successful test of Star Wars a week or so ago. 

    Only took 30 years.



    There have been several successful tests of the Star Wars concepts going all the way back to the 80's.


    the Patriot, for example, was developed in the late 80's, used in the early 90's.


     





    Wrong, the Patriot ABM was developed in the 70's as an AA weapon and was never designed to ... and cannot ... intercept ICBM's.


    There have been more failures than successes in developing anti-ICBM systems which is why there is no comprehensive system deployed. Every time they have a good hit on a target, they can't duplicate it and miss on the second or third try.


     

     
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    And the US pays hundreds of millions of dollars annually for it.  US taxpayer dollars that go directly to Raytheon to build a system to protect Israel.


    Its a very impressive system that clearly saves lives, but shouldn't Israel be paying 100% of the cost?


     




    So do you have a link to share that indicates Israel doesn't pay for 100%for Iron Dome? Or have you figured out you might be ill-informed? 

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.

    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.

    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.

    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.

    Another ignoramus moonbat...

    It isn't designed to hit 100%. It calculates the trajectory of Hamas missiles (Hamas - designated by the State Dept as a terrorist organization yet your President decides to give them aid) and determines not to shoot down one that is going to land in an un-populated area.

     

     
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    And the US pays hundreds of millions of dollars annually for it.  US taxpayer dollars that go directly to Raytheon to build a system to protect Israel.

    Its a very impressive system that clearly saves lives, but shouldn't Israel be paying 100% of the cost?



    So do you have a link to share that indicates Israel pays nothing for Iron Dome? Or have you figured out you might be ill-informed? 





    I would expect he won't have a link "...that indicates Israel pays nothing for Iron Dome" since that isn't what he said or intimated.


    It helps if you read the actual words in his post ... rather than twisting it into something it's not.


    And of course there's the fact that the US Congress just authorized another $680 million for Iron Dome bringing the total to close to a billion dollars the US has committed so far.


    Look it up ... it's all over the inter-webby thingy.

     
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    Homemade rockets ain't no ICBM's with multiple warheads.
    Currently the 'Iron Dome' is more of an iron sieve intercepting less than a quarter of these homemade rockets.
    The anti-missle defense system was developed long before Ronnie-raygun's pipedream ... developement began in the 60's ... first production was 1976 ... and it was first deployed in 1981.
    Ronnie-raygun has as much to do with missle defense as he did with ending the cold war.


    Another ignoramus moonbat...
    It isn't designed to hit 100%. It calculates the trajectory of Hamas missiles (Hamas - designated by the State Dept as a terrorist organization yet your President decides to give them aid) and determines not to shoot down one that is going to land in an un-populated area.



    Well, I'm no 'rocket surgeon' like you, but I'm pretty sure that in order for a weapon to be called 'successful' it has to actually do what it was designed to do ... in this case, destroy the warhead ... you know, that pointy thingy at the front that actually does the damage.


    I guess the people at MIT have got nothing on you ...


    Ted Postol, an MIT-based missile defense expert and frequent Bulletin contributor, provided a dose of context to the Iron Dome coverage in a National Public Radio interview Wednesday. "We can tell, for sure, from video images and even photographs that the Iron Dome system is not working very well at all," Postol said. "It—my guess is maybe [it hits a targeted missile] 5 percent of the time—could be even lower. ... And when you look—what you can do in the daytime—you can see the smoky contrail of each Iron Dome interceptor, and you can see the Iron Domes trying to intercept the artillery rockets side on and from behind. In those geometries, the Iron Dome has no chance, for all practical purposes, of destroying the artillery rocket."


    http://www.npr.org/2014/07/09/330183774/the-rockets-from-hamas-and-the-iron-dome-that-could-use-patching


    In July 2014, MIT Technology Review reported that "Richard Lloyd, a weapons expert and consultant who is a past Engineering Fellow at Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems, says that because these interceptions had almost certainly not detonated the rockets’ warheads, the system is essentially failing."


    http://www.technologyreview.com/news/528916/israeli-rocket-defense-system-is-failing-at-crucial-task-expert-analysts-say/


    Ya, ya ... I know ... it's all a conspiracy by these scientists to get more money ... or take over the world ... global warming is a hoax ... yada ... yada .... yada....


    Good talk, glad I could clear up who the 'ignoramus' is ... how's that view in the mirror?

     
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    Re: Ronald Reagan's missile defense vision is saving lives in Israel

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    I thought they just had a successful test of Star Wars a week or so ago. 

    Only took 30 years.



    There have been several successful tests of the Star Wars concepts going all the way back to the 80's.

     

    the Patriot, for example, was developed in the late 80's, used in the early 90's.

     

     

     

     




    Wrong, the Patriot ABM was developed in the 70's as an AA weapon and was never designed to ... and cannot ... intercept ICBM's.

     

     

    There have been more failures than successes in developing anti-ICBM systems which is why there is no comprehensive system deployed. Every time they have a good hit on a target, they can't duplicate it and miss on the second or third try.

     

     



    So, you agree on the basic principle, then, that Star Wars was operational in the 80's? Or are you arguing success rate?

    I wasn't clear. The Patriot missile existed. The work to target it at incoming missiles I think was done in the 80's.  Check me out on this.

     
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