Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    The amout of money lost by GM on the volt is misleading.  All new cars are money losers because of how the R&D costs of the car is depreciated.

    As far as the volt being bought by the military - and?  They have to buy something.  And imagine how much the AR-15 would cost had it not been for the military basically paying for the start up and R&D costs.  If the military can do 1/2 for the Volt for what it did to the AR-15, then I'm all for it.

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    "All new cars are money losers"

    Henry Ford you aint. By your logic, Ford's Edsel will be making big money any day now...

    The private sector , and the concept of failure and risk, seems beyond the comprehension of progressives.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    GM sold 23,461 Volts in 2012 compared with just 7,671 in 2011. While it's an impressive jump, the Volt is still one of Chevy's lowest-selling cars. However, the Volt greatly outdid the Corvette, for instance, of which only 14,000 were sold last year.

    Its 2012 sales also put the Volt well ahead of its nearest competitor, the Nissan Leaf. Nissan sold about 9,800 Leafs in 2012, an increase of just 1.5% over 2011. Still, Nissan pointed out, it was a record year for Leaf sales.

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    Republicans have a typically pathetic attitude towards cars that can help to end our dependence on fossil fuels.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    So, icons GM ("What's good for the US...") and GE (icon Jack Welch, books and books...) have gone from first to worst.  Just because?

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Only in America can people that describe themselves as true patriots trash one of our greatest and most important industrial powerhouses. GM and its suppliers provide millions of jobs from steel mills to the post office to ad agencies. Talk about cutting your nose despite your face!

    Much of the motivation behind these attacks is the view of the wingnut base that climate change is somehow a vast conspiracy of scientists throughout the world. But even if you accept such paranoid fantasies about climate change, the Volt also beneficially helps address two other issues that the GOP pretends to care about - energy independence and higher gas prices. Given all of the rhetoric that the GOP is throwing around blaming President Obama for high gas prices, you would think the GOP would be happy to embrace an innovative, American-made technology that helps reduce our dependence high priced gas and foreign oil.

    Attacks on the Volt are a prime example of how so much of today's conservative agenda is simply about attacking liberals.

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    American made?  The most important and key component of the Volt is the BATTERY.  You know the battery  made by the BANKRUPT U.S company, A123?  You know the BANKRUPT company A123 that receievd Obama-money, failed miserably, and just sold out to the Chinese!

     "Although A123 received approval for a $249 million federal grant through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, it received only about half of the money before filing for bankruptcy protection last year. The funds were intended to create thousands of American jobs, but a review by The Washington Times of government job-tracking data shows that only about 400 positions were created before the company joined a growing list of federally backed energy businesses that ended in bankruptcy."

     

    Another fine investment of the American taxpayer`s dollars by the incompetent.  Right up there with Solyndra.

     

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    The Volt battery cells are created by a company called LG Chem in South Korea and are shipped to Western Michigan where the battery packs are assembled by US workers.  A123 is not, and never has been involved with the Volt. 

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    Another example of missing the forest for the trees...

     

    The relevance here is not the car itself, but the technology, which GM will expand to other models and will undoubtably pay for itself many times over.

    Myopia reigns in the world of the anti-environment, pro-fossil fuel, anti-worker conservative house of mirrors.  They say they care about the next generations, but they don't really mean it when it affects their own wallets.

    In 50 years, electric and hybrid cars will outnumber conventional ones by a wide margin.

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Another example of missing the forest for the trees...

     

    The relevance here is not the car itself, but the technology, which GM will expand to other models and will undoubtably pay for itself many times over.

    Myopia reigns in the world of the anti-environment, pro-fossil fuel, anti-worker conservative house of mirrors.  They say they care about the next generations, but they don't really mean it when it affects their own wallets.

    In 50 years, electric and hybrid cars will outnumber conventional ones by a wide margin.

     

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    50 years? LOL...Incompetent government top-down planners can't predict 5 days ahead, never mind 50 years.

    The wallets at issue are Obama crony capitalists being fattened up by billions in our tax money, to fail again and again. 

    The sudden and unexpected fracking revolution put a lie to the leftist delusion that oil and gas is running out. Ironically, the boom in natural gas is resulting in less carbon pollution, not the failed subsidized 'wind power " and electric cars...

    Who knows what technological breakthroughs by the innovative private sector lie ahead, if not squelched by the Government?

     

    The efficient and innovative private sector , if it is allowed to exist, will determine what technology will be more efficient 50 years from now.  

     

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    "In 50 years, electric and hybrid cars will outnumber conventional ones by a wide margin."

     

    Let`s hope so.  If we had done what we said we should have 50 years ago, we may not be in the situation we are now. For some reason Washington always finds a way back to their "misstress", almighty oil. That ain`t going to change. The problem is, until we get to "50 years from now", we need oil today.  We walk out the door tomorrow morning and we need gas in the car.  We need to heat our homes tonight.  The drag on the economy caused by 3.30/gallon gas is devastating.  If affects everything.  

    Contrary to what you think conservatives are not "anti-enviroment" and "anti-climate change".  We simply are sick of the Left blaming the enviroment and climate change on us.  The accusation of being "anti-climate change" because my wife drives an SUV is disgusting and wrong. 

    I hope you`re correct about "50 years"..........but, I doubt it.

     

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    Quit your whining, jmel.

     
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    "In 50 years, electric and hybrid cars will outnumber conventional ones by a wide margin."

     

    Let`s hope so.  If we had done what we said we should have 50 years ago, we may not be in the situation we are now. For some reason Washington always finds a way back to their "misstress", almighty oil. That ain`t going to change. The problem is, until we get to "50 years from now", we need oil today.  We walk out the door tomorrow morning and we need gas in the car.  We need to heat our homes tonight.  The drag on the economy caused by 3.30/gallon gas is devastating.  If affects everything.  

    Contrary to what you think conservatives are not "anti-enviroment" and "anti-climate change".  We simply are sick of the Left blaming the enviroment and climate change on us.  The accusation of being "anti-climate change" because my wife drives an SUV is disgusting and wrong. 

    I hope you`re correct about "50 years"..........but, I doubt it.

     

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    Quit your whining, jmel.

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    Is there ANYONE hereat BDC that DOESN`T have alley rat on ignore?   I only check her posts for entertainment purposes.............anyone?

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    LOL

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Another example of missing the forest for the trees...

     

    The relevance here is not the car itself, but the technology, which GM will expand to other models and will undoubtably pay for itself many times over.

    Myopia reigns in the world of the anti-environment, pro-fossil fuel, anti-worker conservative house of mirrors.  They say they care about the next generations, but they don't really mean it when it affects their own wallets.

    In 50 years, electric and hybrid cars will outnumber conventional ones by a wide margin.

     

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    50 years? LOL...Incompetent government top-down planners can't predict 5 days ahead, never mind 50 years.

    The wallets at issue are Obama crony capitalists being fattened up by billions in our tax money, to fail again and again. 

    The sudden and unexpected fracking revolution put a lie to the leftist delusion that oil and gas is running out. Ironically, the boom in natural gas is resulting in less carbon pollution, not the failed subsidized 'wind power " and electric cars...

    Who knows what technological breakthroughs by the innovative private sector lie ahead, if not squelched by the Government?

     

    The efficient and innovative private sector , if it is allowed to exist, will determine what technology will be more efficient 50 years from now.  

     

     

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    You prove again you don't know a damm thing of what you're talking about.

    The private sector developed and summarily killed the EV1.  Its history is well-documented, as is the innovation behind everything from halogen lights to anti-lock braking to side curtain airbags.

    You keep talking about this imaginary, unbridled private sector utopia that only existed in the robber baron days, and that to poor results.

    Time and again, private enterprise has needed - begged - govt to provide direction to emerging industries and markets.  Or lest we forget the utterly craven and dependent defense contractors...??

    As for oil and gas, where is the rush of automakers to build NG cars?  Oh, right...they want govt to subsidize it and give away public lands for pennies.

    Take a sniff of what you shovelin'....

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Is there ANYONE hereat BDC that DOESN`T have alley rat on ignore

     

     

    Wait. Do you have an ignore button? I haven't since they went from crappy to rottingly sh!tty software.

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    No.  And honestly, I would never put anyone on ignore (not even alleyrat).  It`s good entertainment.

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    jmel, you are obsessed with me. Please seek counseling from Dr. Phil.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    The amout of money lost by GM on the volt is misleading.  All new cars are money losers because of how the R&D costs of the car is depreciated.

    As far as the volt being bought by the military - and?  They have to buy something.  And imagine how much the AR-15 would cost had it not been for the military basically paying for the start up and R&D costs.  If the military can do 1/2 for the Volt for what it did to the AR-15, then I'm all for it.

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    Military pays $285 for a $23 wrench. Ford Fusion hybrid is beating volt, Volt loses $7500 on each sale.

    GM has spent hundreds of millions of dollars marketing President Obama's favorite car only to sell less than 30,000 Volts in two years. Toyota sells about that many Camrys in just one month! 

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    Yeah, but (different-classed) Camrys are boring, predictable, forgettable and vaguely rendered.  The Volt is none of these things by any standard.

    If some wannabe status-seeker is willing to fork over $40k for an over-priced import sport sedan of middling reliability, then why not an American-made sport sedan that tops out at over 60 MPG...?

    Ford now sells a Fusion plug-in for the 2013 model year.  A better overall comparison, so we'll see how they compete in the coming year.

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    In the moonbat view of the world, the almighty Government never fails at anything, no matter how many billions are flushed down the toilet. Just needs more "investment". And many moonbats who claim to be so altruistic have a vested interest ; their snouts are slurping up the government 'investment'....

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    Forbes:

    "With additional subsidies from GM (that would be you and me), Chevrolet dealers in August were offering two-year Volt leases for as little as $250 down and $199/month.  Fully 2/3s of the “sales” were leases, leaving around 925 cars that were truly sold.  Prior to the giveaway leases, GM says that 40% of 2012 sales were also leases.  The number remains the same—an average of about 925 cars really sold each month for this year.

    Automotive News recently reported that the feds have purchased 182 Volts so far in 2012.  Now we’re down to 900 real sales per month..  Corporate (fleet) sales are conservatively estimated at 5% of the total, putting the consumer number closer to 850.

    Don’t forget that the Department of Defense has committed to buying 1,500 of these wallet-hogs. These aren’t combat vehicles and will no doubt largely wind up in some Colonel’s driveway.

    There are enough scams here to satisfy a Chicago politician. The giveaway lease cars are initially bought by dealerships at cost, which Bob Lutz says is $37,000.  Then they pocket an additional $7,500—the Volt subsidy that Obama proposes raising to $10,000—paid by  you and me.

    Two years later they get the car back.  Given the ridiculous lease terms, there’s probably a pretty low limit on the free mileage, say, around 20,000.  Now there’s a low-mileage used Volt out there that they can probably sell for $34,000 (a price lower than the average new one minus the subsidy)  So each dealer makes a hefty $5,000 in lease fees, $7,500 in our money, and an unknown (lowball: $3,000) “incentive” from GM for the giveaway lease that’s matched by the lower price for the resale car. That’s $12,500 per car.  Not a  bad margin, and with good PR to boot.

    Because the leased vehicles are counted as “sales”, that’s  pretty much like stating that every vehicle in a dealer’s inventory—which they have paid for—is “sold”, or that  people who rent property actually own it.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    The fact is that no one wants this car and the government is goosing sales by giving them away as short-term leases and purchasing them for officers to tool around in.  Meanwhile, the dealers make a killing—largely on the taxpayer’s dime.

     

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