Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    In response to UserName99's comment:

    Only in America can people that describe themselves as true patriots trash one of our greatest and most important industrial powerhouses. GM and its suppliers provide millions of jobs from steel mills to the post office to ad agencies. Talk about cutting your nose despite your face!

    Much of the motivation behind these attacks is the view of the wingnut base that climate change is somehow a vast conspiracy of scientists throughout the world. But even if you accept such paranoid fantasies about climate change, the Volt also beneficially helps address two other issues that the GOP pretends to care about - energy independence and higher gas prices. Given all of the rhetoric that the GOP is throwing around blaming President Obama for high gas prices, you would think the GOP would be happy to embrace an innovative, American-made technology that helps reduce our dependence high priced gas and foreign oil.

    Attacks on the Volt are a prime example of how so much of today's conservative agenda is simply about attacking liberals.



    The Left has spent the better part of a generation trying to kill off the auto industry, via incredibly over priced labor forced upon the industry by government-backed unions, to regulations that add cost and increase the industry's dependence on the Federal Government.

    Now that you fiinally have the industry on its knees, you throw down the patriotism card.  

    One can only surmise from this that the left is not working in the best interests of the people in this country.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    In response to Firewind's comment:

    So, icons GM ("What's good for the US...") and GE (icon Jack Welch, books and books...) have gone from first to worst.  Just because?



    Well, a large part of it is how they have hitched their wagons to government and not the free market.

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

    You idiots are just getting ridiculous.

    So now leased vehicles, which have been around for decades, are now somehow judged differently just because you ideological imbeciles are looking for a political attack.

    Ya, funny when stuff like oil subsidies comes up you morons keep saying "they are benefits every business gets". But when leases of the Volt are mentioned, you idiots want to twist every line item, to the point of absurdity, even though every car can be leased and in each of those cases the dealer pockets ANY and ALL incentives offered by the car company.

    You idiots have already been proven wrong on your assinine 'expensing' bullshiite, now you want to try and pivot to something else, which is equally stupid.

    How's this, "Every car can be leased so the Volt is no different."

    Ya, I know, it sounds exactly like your defense of tax breaks for oil companies. Funny how it only works when you idiots use it...



    I am unaware of any other car, or a single gallon of gasoline, that has a check written by the federal government to anyone,as a condition of its sale, save the Volt.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

     

    They sold three last year and two of them burst into flames...

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    In the moonbat view of the world, the almighty Government never fails at anything, no matter how many billions are flushed down the toilet. Just needs more "investment". And many moonbats who claim to be so altruistic have a vested interest ; their snouts are slurping up the government 'investment'....



    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     



    Do you have a link in regards to the US Govt heavily subsidizing the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed? Thanks!



    From Wikipedia: 

    After World War II began, box-office profits declined. When the United States entered the war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many of Disney's animators were drafted into the armed forces. The U.S. and Canadian governments commissioned the studio to produce training and propaganda films. By 1942 90% of its 550 employees were working on war-related films.[8]

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    90% is a pretty hefty percentage.  The fact is that even their non-govt-related films were money losers during this time.  Without subsidies, the studio could barely keep the lights on.  The record shows govt financing the studio to the tune of millions per year, even before Pearl Harbor.

    Whatever one thinks of Disney, film production has long been a distinctively strong sector in the U.S. unequaled around the world.  Animation, in particular and esp. Disney, has also been uniquely American in scope and design.

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.


    Apples and oranges, the problem is that the two sectors have completely different purposes. This shouldn't even be an issue because the govrernment has no right to bet our money on anything that isn't in their charter (the Constitution) to do so. Having the government bet on private sector actors brings up a host of fiscal and ethical issues that are being completely ignored.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     



    Do you have a link in regards to the US Govt heavily subsidizing the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed? Thanks!



    From Wikipedia: 

    After World War II began, box-office profits declined. When the United States entered the war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many of Disney's animators were drafted into the armed forces. The U.S. and Canadian governments commissioned the studio to produce training and propaganda films. By 1942 90% of its 550 employees were working on war-related films.[8]

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    90% is a pretty hefty percentage.  The fact is that even their non-govt-related films were money losers during this time.  Without subsidies, the studio could barely keep the lights on.  The record shows govt financing the studio to the tune of millions per year, even before Pearl Harbor.

    Whatever one thinks of Disney, film production has long been a distinctively strong sector in the U.S. unequaled around the world.  Animation, in particular and esp. Disney, has also been uniquely American in scope and design.

     



    Also from Wiki:

    Between 1942 and 1945, during World War IIWalt Disney was involved in the production of propaganda films for the US government. The widespread familiarity of Walt Disney's productions benefited the US government in producing pro-American war propaganda in an effort to increase support for the war.



    That's what I said.

    This is no different than the U.S. buying up Volts (or Hummers, for that matter.)

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

     


    Apples and oranges, the problem is that the two sectors have completely different purposes. This shouldn't even be an issue because the govrernment has no right to bet our money on anything that isn't in their charter (the Constitution) to do so. Having the government bet on private sector actors brings up a host of fiscal and ethical issues that are being completely ignored.



    They are inter-dependent.  It's pretty much the same as the private sector spending tens of millions to lobby the govt for access or to influence public policy.  And in return, the govt patronizes private industry by buying or contracting their products and services.

    This is the awful truth: the two sides are not, nor can ever be, mutually exclusive.  If one fails, then so does the other.  Death by pluralism, as it were.

     

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     



    Do you have a link in regards to the US Govt heavily subsidizing the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed? Thanks!



    From Wikipedia: 

    After World War II began, box-office profits declined. When the United States entered the war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many of Disney's animators were drafted into the armed forces. The U.S. and Canadian governments commissioned the studio to produce training and propaganda films. By 1942 90% of its 550 employees were working on war-related films.[8]

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    90% is a pretty hefty percentage.  The fact is that even their non-govt-related films were money losers during this time.  Without subsidies, the studio could barely keep the lights on.  The record shows govt financing the studio to the tune of millions per year, even before Pearl Harbor.

    Whatever one thinks of Disney, film production has long been a distinctively strong sector in the U.S. unequaled around the world.  Animation, in particular and esp. Disney, has also been uniquely American in scope and design.

     



    Also from Wiki:

    Between 1942 and 1945, during World War IIWalt Disney was involved in the production of propaganda films for the US government. The widespread familiarity of Walt Disney's productions benefited the US government in producing pro-American war propaganda in an effort to increase support for the war.



    That's what I said.

    This is no different than the U.S. buying up Volts (or Hummers, for that matter.)

     



    What you said is VERY different actually



    No, not really.

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

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    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     



    Do you have a link in regards to the US Govt heavily subsidizing the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed? Thanks!



    From Wikipedia: 

    After World War II began, box-office profits declined. When the United States entered the war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many of Disney's animators were drafted into the armed forces. The U.S. and Canadian governments commissioned the studio to produce training and propaganda films. By 1942 90% of its 550 employees were working on war-related films.[8]

    ******

    90% is a pretty hefty percentage.  The fact is that even their non-govt-related films were money losers during this time.  Without subsidies, the studio could barely keep the lights on.  The record shows govt financing the studio to the tune of millions per year, even before Pearl Harbor.

    Whatever one thinks of Disney, film production has long been a distinctively strong sector in the U.S. unequaled around the world.  Animation, in particular and esp. Disney, has also been uniquely American in scope and design.

     



    Also from Wiki:

    Between 1942 and 1945, during World War IIWalt Disney was involved in the production of propaganda films for the US government. The widespread familiarity of Walt Disney's productions benefited the US government in producing pro-American war propaganda in an effort to increase support for the war.



    That's what I said.

    This is no different than the U.S. buying up Volts (or Hummers, for that matter.)

     



    What you said is VERY different actually



    No, not really.

     



    Yours alludes to govt helping out Disney due to financial trouble. Mine says Disney helped out the govt. and mentions NOTHING about financial issues. So yes....very different



    Wait, so you're saying that Disney loaned out 90% of his workforce to make propaganda films...being paid millions more than he was making at the box office...just for kicks or the goodness of his heart...?

    If you really want to dig up bo receipts for those years, then have at it.  My assertions are founded, and in fact, I read another article (related to controversy about 'Song Of The South') how Disney's commercial wartime output were money losers and that pro-war films propped them up in tough times.

    You're implying a one-way arrangement; I never said it wasn't mutually beneficial.

    Would Disney have made govt films if they were doing well?  Maybe, but, that just wasn't the case.

     

     

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In the moonbat view of the world, the almighty Government never fails at anything, no matter how many billions are flushed down the toilet. Just needs more "investment". And many moonbats who claim to be so altruistic have a vested interest ; their snouts are slurping up the government 'investment'....



    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     



    No alternate solution to  the auto bailouts?  Let GM fail.  If GM failed, do you think ,oh, maybe another company, Toyta, Honda, or even Ford, might have capitalized on their demise, build more cars, employing former GM workers, and meeting the U.S. demand?

    Market-based solutions are obvious to everyone except you, apparently.

     
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    Re: Sales of Chevy Volts triple in one year.

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to WhichOnesPink2's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Quit jumping to (non- ) conclusions before you break a hip.

    Nobody here or anywhere says that "the govt never fails at anything", just like it's preposterous to say the same about the private sector.

    The larger point you constantly miss - by trying to vilify plug-in auto technology (which, like tougher emissions standards is here to stay, whether you like it or not) - is that many industries have been propped up or otherwise patronized by govt during tough times, whether it's a war, a recession, or other crisis.

    For one example, the US Govt heavily subsidized (among many others) the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed.  Today, Disney is an entertainment behemoth with a global reach and one of the strongest, most beloved brands in ANY vertical.

    In the end, your jaded narrative is untenable, because our history is rife with this stuff on BOTH sides.  Some work out better than others, but when the fit hits the shan, every industry leader knows who to call.  And the reason they know who to call is because their very existence depends on it.

    All this is beside the point that you and others had NO alternate solution to the auto bailouts, which not only partially saved the american auto industry, it also helped re-elect the President.

    Admit it...that's the REAL reason you hate GM and the Volt.  Truth hurts.

     

     



    Do you have a link in regards to the US Govt heavily subsidizing the Walt Disney Company by paying them to make propaganda and diversionary films.  Else, the studio would have closed? Thanks!



    From Wikipedia: 

    After World War II began, box-office profits declined. When the United States entered the war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, many of Disney's animators were drafted into the armed forces. The U.S. and Canadian governments commissioned the studio to produce training and propaganda films. By 1942 90% of its 550 employees were working on war-related films.[8]

    ******

    90% is a pretty hefty percentage.  The fact is that even their non-govt-related films were money losers during this time.  Without subsidies, the studio could barely keep the lights on.  The record shows govt financing the studio to the tune of millions per year, even before Pearl Harbor.

    Whatever one thinks of Disney, film production has long been a distinctively strong sector in the U.S. unequaled around the world.  Animation, in particular and esp. Disney, has also been uniquely American in scope and design.

     




    I don't see the word "subsidized" anywhere there.  reads like Disney made money doing work the government needed done, in a time of war, nonetheless.

    Of course, the alternative is to beleive your liberal propaganda, that the U.S. government was concerned about the welfare of 550 Disney employees, leading to them giving them make-work as a subsidy, while conducting a world war where millions were being killed.

     
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