Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

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    Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/041113-651603-obama-administration-tries-to-blame-gop-for-obamacare-failures.htm

    As Democrats grow increasingly worried that ObamaCare will explode on the launch pad just as midterm elections get going, the Obama administration seeks to pin blame on Republicans. Good luck with that.

    Earlier this week, Health and Human Services head Kathleen Sebelius admitted that she didn't realize how complicated getting ObamaCare off the ground would be.

    Sebelius complained that "no one fully anticipated" the difficulties involved in implementing ObamaCare, or how confusing it would be with the public.

    She wasn't talking about the massive and impossible task of imposing central planning on one-sixth of the nation's economy.

    Instead, she was trying to find a way to blame Republicans for ObamaCare's failures when the inevitable problems start emerging.

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

    So let's see if we get this. Democrats shoved an unpopular, expensive, ill-conceived and poorly written law down the country's throat with no Republican support, and without bothering to see whether states would want to take on the thankless and costly task of helping the feds implement it.

    And now that many of these states are rebelling, it's the Republicans' fault?

    Sebelius' fellow Democrat, West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, had a more accurate take on the problem the administration faces: the law is "probably the most complicated piece of legislation ever passed by the United States Congress" and "if it isn't done right the first time, it will just simply get worse."

    Rockefeller, like a growing number of Democrats, realizes that ObamaCare is shaping up to be a political disaster for the party next November.

    The influential Cook Political Report noted earlier this month that almost all of the Democratic insiders they talked to "voiced concern about the potential for the issue to hurt Democrats in 2014."

    And just what could explain these concerns?

    Maybe it's because even Sebelius now admits that ObamaCare will force insurance claims up 32%.

    Or possibly it's because, despite endless assurances that the insurance exchanges would be ready on time, the administration had to delay for a year a key feature meant to give small business a choice of health plans.

    Or because neither Sebelius nor the states have provided evidence they can get the rest of the exchanges ready by Oct. 1, when ObamaCare's open enrollment begins.

    Or perhaps Democrats' fears stem from state insurance commissioners warning of a rate shock once ObamaCare's "community rating" rules and benefit mandates start. Or from rising evidence the law is hurting job growth as small businesses try to avoid its costs.

    None of this, mind you, has anything to do with Republicans. And if the GOP were smart, it'd be focused on making sure that, come next November, the public knows that, too.



     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    Of course it is the Republicans fault.  You didn't expect the Democrats to take a fall for this mess?

    And, of course, the press is lining up to help Obama blame the Republicans.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.



    How about:

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

     

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     



    Easy. The free market.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    On the other hand, how much sense does it make to obstruct exchanges and then complain exchanges won't work?

     



    It is meaningless to discuss the effect of the premise when the premise was flawed in the first place.

     

    we passed , we read it, repeal it.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

     

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

     



    Easy. The free market.

     

     



    Guess again.  The free market does not cover seriously sick and injured people.  Or poor people for that matter.  That's why no modern country is willing to accept it.  But you love your fantasies...

     

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

     

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

     



    Easy. The free market.

     

     



    Guess again.  The free market does not cover seriously sick and injured people.  Or poor people for that matter.  That's why no modern country is willing to accept it.  But you love your fantasies...

     

     



    Sure it does.  You just by that big government lie that that's not the case.

    as government got more involved in Heatlhcare, it has become more expensive, and in particular less available to the poor.  So, what's wrong with getting government out of it?

    One good law is that anyone who goes to an emergency room is taken care of, regardless of ability to pay.  That precedes Obamacare by several decades.

    So, Obamacare does nothing but make it more difficult for those who have decent insurance to pay for it, and makes people who can't afford insurance pay for it.

    typical, pointless, expansion of government.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

    Easy. The free market.

     



    ergo, profits over patients.

    Got it.

     

     
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    as government got more involved in Heatlhcare, it has become more expensive, and in particular less available to the poor. 



    Correlation without causation.

    Either way, it's just not true.

    The "free market" has it's own culpability in the escalating costs of health care.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

    Easy. The free market.

     

     



    ergo, profits over patients.

     

    Got it.

     



    What's wrong with profit? Do you work for free?

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    On the other hand, how much sense does it make to obstruct exchanges and then complain exchanges won't work?

     



    It is meaningless to discuss the effect of the premise when the premise was flawed in the first place.

     

    we passed , we read it, repeal it.

     




     

    Not liking legislation does not justify obstructing its implementation and then complaining about the implementation.



    I see you are buying the Democrat line.  Good boy.  Here's your dog treat.

     
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    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

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    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

     



    Easy. The free market.

     

     



    Guess again.  The free market does not cover seriously sick and injured people.  Or poor people for that matter.  That's why no modern country is willing to accept it.  But you love your fantasies...

     



    Insurers don't cover people on their plan who get sick or injured? That's news to me. I could have sworn my dads medical bills were covered by his insurance when he got cancer. Same thing for my mom when she went through chemo treatments for breast cancer. 

     

     

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

    Easy. The free market.

     

     



    ergo, profits over patients.

     

    Got it.

     



    Haha....nice left-wing bumper slogan....

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    as government got more involved in Heatlhcare, it has become more expensive, and in particular less available to the poor. 

     



    Correlation without causation.

     

    Either way, it's just not true.

    The "free market" has it's own culpability in the escalating costs of health care.

    [QUOTE]

    How so?

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    as government got more involved in Heatlhcare, it has become more expensive, and in particular less available to the poor. 

     



    Correlation without causation.

     

    Either way, it's just not true.

    The "free market" has it's own culpability in the escalating costs of health care.




    No, it is directly correlated.  Here, read this:

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa211.html

    But, keep buying that line on nonsense the unions are feeding you.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

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    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

     



    Easy. The free market.

     

     



    Guess again.  The free market does not cover seriously sick and injured people.  Or poor people for that matter.  That's why no modern country is willing to accept it.  But you love your fantasies...

     

     



    Insurers don't cover people on their plan who get sick or injured? That's news to me. I could have sworn my dads medical bills were covered by his insurance when he got cancer. Same thing for my mom when she went through chemo treatments for breast cancer. 

     

     

     




    Progressives have to lie in order to make it seem like we need Obamacare.

    Look, in terms of economics, it is really simple.  Health care used to be reasonably cheap. then government decided it would start to pay for some people, who, be virtue of not paying for it, used A LOT of it, driving up costs.  This rising cost caused government to get more involved, driving costs up further.  This process has repeated itself over the decades, until OVER HALF the propulation gets their healthcare via the government. 

    And, the problem, in the eyes of the government, and liberals, is not the 50% that get healthcare through the costly government programs, the problem is the 50% that don't.

    Obamacare is the straw intended to break the camels back, with the very illogical solution to the problem, that government is driving up halthcare costs, is to put ALL of healthcare under the direct control of government, which despite the documented correlation between government invovlement in health care and rising costs, is somehow going to lower costs.

    If you don't beleive me, a conservative, research what Barney Frank had to say on this topic, an extreme left wing ideolouge.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster Come up with a better solution.

     

    We did, you didn't listen.

    Big shocka there.

     

     

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster  Come up with a better solution.

     

     

    We did, you didn't listen.

    Big shocka there.

     

     



    You are right.

     

    there is this:

    http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/yes-mr-president-free-market-can-fix-health-care

    and this:

    www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj31n1/cj31n1-2.pdf

    That describe how the problem IS government, and the solution IS the free market.

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

     

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     



    Got it.  Leave it the way it was.  Go focus on the horrific economy and astronomical unemployment.

    See.............easy-peasey

     
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    Re: Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

    In response to tacobreath's comment:

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

     

    Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

     

    So they force it through with the highest level of political manuevering with zero GOP support and they complain that the GOP isn't onboard, oh the irony.  Time for a bumper sticker.

                                                 

                                                 If you find Obamacare a Diasater

                                                 Blame a Democrat.

     

    This would go nicely when parked next to a car with, Got Social Security, Thank a Democrat.

     



    How about:

     

    If you think Obamacare is a disaster

    Come up with a better solution.

     

     



    Got it.  Leave it the way it was.  Go focus on the horrific economy and astronomical unemployment.

     

    See.............easy-peasey




    ANY solution that doesn't start with the words "government should take ov.."  Doesn't pass muster with the progressives.  There have been tonsof plans from the right, from free market to near-obamacare.  None are worthy of even discussion by  the progressives.

     

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