Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

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    Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---60
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Begich (D-AK)
    Bennet (D-CO)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Burris (D-IL)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kaufman (D-DE)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kirk (D-MA)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Specter (D-PA)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Udall (D-CO)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warner (D-VA)
    Webb (D-VA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)
    NAYs ---40
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    LeMieux (R-FL)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Wicker (R-MS)
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    Am I missing something here?  Where are all of the "fiscal conservatives"? 
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Matty, yes,  afraid you are missing quite a bit.
    First, the 'pay as you go' gimmick is akin to a drunk waking up from a bender the next morning and swearing he won't touch another drop, ever.
    Or building a bank vault the day after the crooks got in and stole all the money...

    Secondly, this vote was actually a vote to increase the national debt! The pay as you go was stuck onto it as a rider...
     

    Every um 'fiscal conservative'  Senate Democrat voted to raise the debt limit to $14.3 trillion. The vote was 60-40 on straight partisan lines.

    That’s $45,000 per American.

     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Secondly, this vote was actually a vote to increase the national debt!
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    Lets get serious Bob.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    True fiscal conservatives have left the Republican party.  The profligate, wasteful spending during the Bush year was the final straw.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Matty, yes,  afraid you are missing quite a bit.
    First, the 'pay as you go' gimmick is akin to a drunk waking up from a bender the next morning and swearing he won't touch another drop, ever.
    Or building a bank vault the day after the crooks got in and stole all the money...

    Secondly, this vote was actually a vote to increase the national debt! The pay as you go was stuck onto it as a rider...
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    Wow talk about rationalizing. Is there no self-deception the wingnuts won't use to continue their self-delusion.

    'These rules were in effect from FY1991-FY2002. Enacted in 1990 (Dem Congress), it was extended in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 and the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. In FY 1991 the Federal deficit was 4.5% of GDP, by FY 2000 the Federal surplus was 2.4%.
    The PAYGO statute expired at the end of 2002. After this Congress (R's) enacted President George W. Bush's proposed 2003 tax cuts. In the first 6 years of President Bush's term, with a Republican controlled Congress, the federal debt increased by $3 trillion. '

    Ya those tax cuts worked like a charm hey Bobo.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    The Dems voted "To reimpose statutory pay-as-you-go."
    The Repubs didn't.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00012

    Way too easy. Slam dunk.


     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Bush deserves severe criticism for the size of the deficit. He did not control spending, he spent like a liberal.

    Your guy Obama TRIPLED the deficit in one year, by paying off liberal special interest groups with taxpayer's money! And he plans to expand spending and government control to Euro-socialist levels.
     
    Triple the criticism is well deserved.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    'But the government is taking no chances. Buried deep in the hundred pages of bailout legislation is a provision that would raise the statutory ceiling on the national debt to $11.315 trillion. It’ll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.'

    So the Bush admin raised the ceiling 7 times during his admin. twice in one year!
    Where was your outrage Bobo?
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    So let's see Bobo the first year Bush was in office the budget deficit tripled from a 240 billion dollar surplus to a 144.5 billion dollar deficit. A swing of 384 billion in one year, triple the deficit.
    Is triple criticism due Bush?

     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Your guy Obama TRIPLED the deficit in one year, by paying off liberal special interest groups with taxpayer's money! And he plans to expand spending and government control to Euro-socialist levels.
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    Some facts and figures would be helpful.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    I'm curious Bobo... The federal fiscal year runs Oct 1 thru Oct 1 so the budget for 2009 was written by Bush (Oct 1,08 thru Oct 1, 09) so I'm interested to hear what numbers you're using.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Good posts there angrymen...and thanks for the information.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

     in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 (OBRA '90), by statutory requirement, if legislation enacted during a session of Congress had the effect of increasing the projected deficit for the following year, a "sequestration" would be triggered. A sequestration is an across the board spending reduction of non-exempt mandatory programs to offset this increase in the deficit, as calculated by the Office of Management and Budget.

    Guess which part the dems dropped?
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    To Greg

    So whats the alternative? The status quo where you pay them all year around with still increasing deficit. This legislation is still a step up.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Ya those tax cuts worked like a charm hey Bobo.

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    Simplify this.  Yes, I got no new taxes.  But the deficit increased inflation to the point where I paid more money to cover for it.  I saved $1000 on my W-4, but paid $4000 more on my groceries and consumer products.  Inflation is the GOP's way of taxing with smoke and mirrors.  I used to be a Republican.
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    Good point, Newt.

    What, exactly, are the republicans proposing to cut?  They want to cut taxes again (as the stimulus did last year), but where is that extra revenue coming from?  They've opposed ANY cuts to medicare out-of-hand simply to oppose health care reform (reform which would have saved money in the long run).

    My point with this thread is not so much the amendment itself - telling though that is.  After all, the amendment succeeded.  But it's the little ideas like "pay-as-you-go" that add up to something meaningful to the lives of the rest of us.  If the GOP can't even get on board with the small details, how can we trust them when it comes to bigger ideas like health care, education or job creation??
     
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    Re: Senate Roll Call Vote on Restoring Pay-As-You-Go Legislation: 01/28/10

    If you paid attention in civics class, you'd know it's congress that spends the money & makes the laws.  Under Bush, in the first term, he convinced congress to cut taxes, which pulled us out of recession.  We also had 50 some odd months straight of economic expansion, job growth, low interest ratesc etc.  When the Dems took over, things went downhill. 
    Yet, you & your poster boy BHO, still blame Bush, even for everything that happened back & still happens today...  It's getting old.


    The main difference between BO & his dog "BO" is:  "BO" has loyalty... and papers...biggrin

    "So..How's that "Hopey - Changey" thing workin' out for ya

     
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