September 11, 1973

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    Salvadore Allende was nothing but another tinhorn dictator, a professed admirer of Stalin.  Another in a long line of power-hungry Communist thug murderers.

    Allende was implementing socialist economic policies in Chile, with disastrous results. Gen. Pinochet finally agreed with other military officers that they had to stop Allende, and from that point on, Pinochet showed him no mercy.

    The American Left per usual wants to rewrite history to claim Communism actually worked to the benefit of the people. It never does. The results of Marxist policies are always bloodshed, dictatorship, and economic collapse.

    Pinochet was no angel, but he had far less blood on his hands than Allende, and Pinochet eventually brought back democracy and free enterprise to the people of Chile.

    The pro-Communist media is filled with lackeys willing to lie and prostitute their souls either for career advancement or because they are true believers in the Communist faith. That they have been effective with their "atrocity propaganda"against Pinochet is testament to the enduring influence of the Communist idea amongst the world’s power elite. They have, so far, pulled off the Big Lie with regard to Pinochet except with Chilean people. The Communist, of course, approaches atrocity dialectically rather than fundamentally. They have no problem with atrocities when governments such as those of Castro, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et al commit them, as these "struggles", they inform us, are for the "common good"as they liquidate tens of millions.

     
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    Re: September 11, 1973

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
    [QUOTE]The American Left per usual wants to rewrite history to claim Communism actually worked to the benefit of the people.



    The F are you even trying to talk about? 

    When you speak about "the left", you literally sound as deluded and stupid as a Klan member speaking about black people.

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    The same as when someone uses neo-con or rightwingers?

     
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    I was focusing on the substance of what he said, not the term he used to describe those at whom he was directing the substance.




    Really? Because when you said "When you speak about "the left", you literally sound as deluded and stupid as a Klan member speaking about black people"

    It sounded like you were bent on the terms.

     
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    They have no problem with atrocities when governments such as those of Castro, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et al commit them, as these "struggles", they inform us, are for the "common good"as they liquidate tens of millions.



    Meanwhile, some on the american right have no qualms about american soldiers using the very same torture techniques used by the Khmer Rouge and other dictatorships when it suits their nefarious needs.

    But leave it to a gross ideologue like you to try and defend Pinochet in ANY context for the sake of convenience.

     

     

     
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    Allende may have been a poor head of state with a terrible track record for economic reform but he was no murderous thug.  In fact Pinochet who is credited with torturing nearly 30, 000 people and killing over 3000 more was the real monster.  He took over the country backed by the military in order to save it, then forgot to give power back to the civilians.  How odd that a conservative like CLC would defend a man whose name is often times mentioned along side of Stalin, and histories other notorious monsters.  That Allende was a communist, or at least tinkering with installing socialistic elements in his country isn't particularly important since he was elected and presumably would have to stand in front of the people again to apply for his job.  Pinochet simply took power by force, then abused it, while amassing an ill gained fortune in the process.  

    It is telling that CLC would defend Pinochet, it is instructive of how his little authoritarian narrow mind works.  

     
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    Meanwhile, some on the american right have no qualms about american soldiers using the very same torture techniques used by the Khmer Rouge and other dictatorships when it suits their nefarious needs.

    The F are you even trying to talk about?

     

    When you speak about "some on the american right", you literally sound as deluded and stupid as a Klan member speaking about black people.

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    Allende may have been a poor head of state with a terrible track record for economic reform but he was no murderous thug.  In fact Pinochet who is credited with torturing nearly 30, 000 people and killing over 3000 more was the real monster.  He took over the country backed by the military in order to save it, then forgot to give power back to the civilians.  How odd that a conservative like CLC would defend a man whose name is often times mentioned along side of Stalin, and histories other notorious monsters.  That Allende was a communist, or at least tinkering with installing socialistic elements in his country isn't particularly important since he was elected and presumably would have to stand in front of the people again to apply for his job.  Pinochet simply took power by force, then abused it, while amassing an ill gained fortune in the process.  

    It is telling that CLC would defend Pinochet, it is instructive of how his little authoritarian narrow mind works.  



    Allende wasnt "tinkering" , he was destroying the country and turning it over to communism. Yes, it was "particularly important" that he was a totalitarian Stalinist.

    Upon Stalin's death in 1953, Chilean Communists held a "Homage to Stalin" in Santiago's Baquedano theatre where Salvador Allende could hardly contain himself: "Stalin was a banner of creativity, of humanism and an edifying picture of peace and heroism!" he gushed while choking back the tears. "Everything he did, he did in service of the people. Our father Stalin has died but in remembering his example our affection for him will cause our arms to grow strong towards building a grand tomorrow-- to insure a future in memory of his grand example!" *

    After assuming power in 1970 (with roughly the same percentage of votes that Hitler garnered in Germany in 1933), the Allende regime's true colors soon manifested. In January 1971, Allende's minister Carlos Altamirano boasted: "We're following the example of the Cuban Revolution and counting on the support of her militant internationalism....represented by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Armed conflict in continental terms remains as relevant today as ever!"

    "Hear me loud and clear!" Salvador Allende himself boasted the following month. "We will employ revolutionary violence!"

    This was more than an idle boast by Allende. Among the myriad unreported aspects of the Chilean coup were the dozens of "guerrilla" schools being set up throughout Chile by Soviet bloc agents shortly before that coup. Marxist death squads were also roaming Chile, murdering "bourgeois elements" with impunity or with the tacit support of the regime. When Salvador Allende visited Moscow in December 1972, his longest meetings was with Boris Ponomariev, the Kremlin's head of "Irregular Warfare" for the Western Hemisphere.

    By 1973, 60 percent of Chile's arable land had been confiscated by the government, often with the aid of these death squads. Rolando Matus and Jacinto Huilipan were among the many farmers who protested Allende's "Agrarian Reform" and wound up kidnapped and murdered.   

    "In the final analysis only armed conflict will decide who is the victor!" added Allende's governmental ally, Oscar Guillermo Garreton. "Without the complete destruction of the bourgeois character of the state we cannot march on the path of Socialism! The class struggle always entails armed conflict. Understand me, the global strategy is always accomplished through arms!"

    Allende's deputy Economic Minister, Sergio Ramos, didn't mince words either: "It's evident," he proclaimed in mid-1973, "that the transition to socialism will first require a dictatorship of the proletariat." "We have no choice," declared Chilean Communist Volodia Teitelboim, "but to act with resolution and a civil war is not a careful affair. It draws targets on both the political and the apolitical." His Communist comrade Luis Corvolan followed up with: "We have never considered the path of the Chilean Revolution to be exclusively an electoral one."

    In September of 1973 Pinochet's men weren't out to score debating points on some fatuous think-thank panel or to win applause on some asinine chat show. They knew their nation was looking up the locked and loaded muzzle of a Stalinist takeover. So they marched into the Chilean OK Corral loaded for (Soviet) Bear. That they managed the messy business with just 3,000 dead, including all collateral damage, will amaze anyone fully informed of what they went up against.


     
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    Re: September 11, 1973

    In response to G0DVERNMENT's comment:

    Today marks the 40th anniversary of the U.S. backed coup and murder of democratically elected Salvador Allende and the subsequent torture and murder of thousands under Augusto Pinochet in Chile. 

    NEVER FORGET



    Didnt take you long to state a falsehood.

    Allende committed suicide; he had been offered a flight out of the country.

    Allende committed suicide, he was offered asylm to another country

     
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    Noam Chomsky?  Really? How much left-er you gonna go? Che Guevara? Trotsky?

     
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    Re: September 11, 1973

    What do the cool kids listen to these days?

    My daughter listens to classical music and indie rock. My son, the guitarist, listens to classic rock and metal. Can't speak for anyone elses kids.

     

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