Sequestors Are For Little People

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    Sequestors Are For Little People

    Quite remarkable that the House and Senate were able to restore the FAA to full capacity in such short order. I guess the recent grumblings of well connected business travelers, those who fly commercial and with private jets was too much for them.

    Thanks for solving a serious problem that Congress created in the first place.

    What a disgusting display of Congressional hubris and duplicity.  The President should veto this, but he won't.

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    Washington (CNN) -- In rare bipartisan accord, normally quarrelsome U.S. lawmakers passed a measure designed to end budget-related air traffic controller furloughs blamed for widespread flight delays.

    The House of Representatives approved the legislation, capping a major congressional initiative as delays snarled traffic at airports. The House vote comes a day after unanimous approval by the U.S. Senate.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/politics/faa-delays-congress/index.html

     
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    The really "well connected" are public employees, not the public.

    Endless envy and class warfare against successful hardworking Americans is the liberal mantra. How dare a private sector American want to travel, while the poor Government has to get by spending a mere 6.2 trillion a year....

     
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    Yeah....don't want flights to be on time. And who cares if people need to be at airport 2-3 hours before their flight. Not like they have anything else going on in their life. We all know ONLY the rich fly. And that all business travelers are "well connected". Never realized my wife is so "connected". Who knew...

    And who cares if 149 control towers at small and medium-sized airports were slated for closure for budgetary reasons. Screw them right?!

     

     

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

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    The really "well connected" are public employees, not the public.

    Endless envy and class warfare against successful hardworking Americans is the liberal mantra. How dare a private sector American want to travel, while the poor Government has to get by spending a mere 6.2 trillion a year....

     




    Nobody likes public sector employees... until they find out that the jobs they do are vital to the infrastructure of the country.

     

     



    What do you have against public sector employees?

     
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    The really "well connected" are public employees, not the public.

    Endless envy and class warfare against successful hardworking Americans is the liberal mantra. How dare a private sector American want to travel, while the poor Government has to get by spending a mere 6.2 trillion a year....




    Weren't you one of the wingnuts who was blabbing about how exaggerated the Obama administration's was surrounding the effects of sequestration? 

     

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:

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    The really "well connected" are public employees, not the public.

    Endless envy and class warfare against successful hardworking Americans is the liberal mantra. How dare a private sector American want to travel, while the poor Government has to get by spending a mere 6.2 trillion a year....

     




    Weren't you one of the wingnuts who was blabbing about how exaggerated the Obama administration's was surrounding the effects of sequestration? 



    Yes...the Obama Administration could have easily avoided these delays, but wanted to exaggerate the 'crisis' to pressure the public to give more money to Government.

    To the leftists, the public is just a cow to be milked for the benefit of the Government. They are no longer our servants, but consider themselves our masters..

     
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    The FAA doesn't need its budget restore, is all a big made up crisis by Obama. FAA budget is funded by travelers

     

     

    Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF)

    The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is funded primarily by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (Trust Fund or AATF) which receives revenues from a series of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system — and by the General Fund. The Airport and Airway Revenue Act of 1970 created the Trust Fund to provide a dedicated source of funding for the aviation system independent of the General Fund.

    The Trust Fund's purpose was to establish sources of funding that would increase concurrently with the use of the system, and assure timely and long-term commitments to capacity increases. The Trust Fund was designed to finance investments in the airport and airway system and, to the extent funds were available, cover the operating costs of the airway system as well.

    Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

    • Domestic airline passenger tickets
    • Domestic airline passenger flight segments
    • International passenger arrivals and departures
    • Air cargo waybills
    • Aviation fuels
    • Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards

    The Current Aviation Excise Tax Structure and Rates (PDF) provides current and historical tax rates.

    The largest source of excise tax revenues is from transportation of passengers. Taxes from transportation of passengers include the domestic passenger ticket tax, domestic flight segment fees, and taxes on mileage awards (frequent flyer tax). The next largest tax revenue source is the Use of International Air Facilities, i.e., the international arrival and departure fees.

    Current Status

    At the beginning of FY 2012 the Trust Fund had a cash balance of $10.3 billion. The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) Fact Sheet (PDF) provides a summary of facts about the Trust Fund.

     
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    Of course..I guess it never occured to the airline industry that perhaps they should be footing the bill for these services. After all..they are the ones who profit from it.

     
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    Of course..I guess it never occured to the airline industry that perhaps they should be footing the bill for these services. After all..they are the ones who profit from it.


    It definitely should and I'd include airport security in this as well. My guess is that the air traffic controller service was taken from the airlines and handed to the government at some point by some unnecessary but well meaning legislation.

     
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    Why do you think there would be 50 different versions?

     
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    With the absence of a single authority, rules and regulations are subject to interpretation.

    What one airline considers 'adequate' is not the same as another airline.

    Airlines are in the business to make money. Security is a money loser. Ergo, business will spend less on activities that have no ROI. Simple market forces at work.

    Some things are best not left to the whims of profit margins.

     



    Well..I agree somewhat. I think it's acceptable for the government to provide guidelines in this case. If you want the government to also be the employers then I guess I could accept that as well. Where I have a problem is with taxpayer dollars being used to fund this service....why don't the airlines at least pick up the tab? Why are we paying for a service that benefits the airlines more than anyone else..? We villify poor people in this country..yet we somehow find the billions it takes to run this program as a gift to the airline industry.

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to ImYourDaddy's comment:

     

    The FAA doesn't need its budget restore, is all a big made up crisis by Obama. FAA budget is funded by travelers

     

     

    Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF)

    The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is funded primarily by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (Trust Fund or AATF) which receives revenues from a series of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system — and by the General Fund. The Airport and Airway Revenue Act of 1970 created the Trust Fund to provide a dedicated source of funding for the aviation system independent of the General Fund.

    The Trust Fund's purpose was to establish sources of funding that would increase concurrently with the use of the system, and assure timely and long-term commitments to capacity increases. The Trust Fund was designed to finance investments in the airport and airway system and, to the extent funds were available, cover the operating costs of the airway system as well.

    Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

    • Domestic airline passenger tickets
    • Domestic airline passenger flight segments
    • International passenger arrivals and departures
    • Air cargo waybills
    • Aviation fuels
    • Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards

    The Current Aviation Excise Tax Structure and Rates (PDF) provides current and historical tax rates.

    The largest source of excise tax revenues is from transportation of passengers. Taxes from transportation of passengers include the domestic passenger ticket tax, domestic flight segment fees, and taxes on mileage awards (frequent flyer tax). The next largest tax revenue source is the Use of International Air Facilities, i.e., the international arrival and departure fees.

    Current Status

    At the beginning of FY 2012 the Trust Fund had a cash balance of $10.3 billion. The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) Fact Sheet (PDF) provides a summary of facts about the Trust Fund.

     

     




    The link you posted states that the FAA operating expenses for 2012 was $16 billion.

     

     

    It also states that FAA Trust Fund raised $11.5 billion in revenue.

    That leaves an operating budget shortfall of $4.5 billion, which is filled by federal budget appropriations and subject to the sequester. Your link also explicitly states that all of the federal appropriations, the funds subject to sequester, is contained in ONE line item; OPERATIONS.

    So thank you for proving the point that the FAA had no choice but to furlough AT Controllers as they are the single largest expense under Operations and the only portion of the FAA budget subject to the sequester.

     

    House appropriators in charge of the FAA explicitly said the agency had to cut anything for which a dollar amount had been appropriated by Congress.

    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/26/now-for-sale-congress-constitutional-authority/#ixzz2RgmTXb1B




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    When you buy a domestic airline ticket, you pay 7.5 percent of the price to the FAA, plus $3.80 per “flight segment,” indexed to inflation. International flights cost $16.70 apiece, also indexed. If you’re sending someone a gift via air freight, the carrier you choose will pay 6.25 percent of the cargo cost in FAA tax. And your airline — really, you — will pay a 4.3-cent-a-gallon tax on jet fuel.

    In 2012, all those “dedicated taxes” added up to $11.6 billion. Last year, these fees funded all but 29 percent of the FAA’s operating and capital budgets. Considering that President Obama had to borrow 31 percent of last year’s general budget — which relies on general taxes rather than user fees — the FAA was more than holding its own. Plus, as the lobbying association for the airlines reminds the public, the FAA also serves private and military aircraft. “In large part,” Airlines for America notes, the general-fund subsidy “supports the nonairline functions of the FAA.” Finally, as the Government Accountability Office said in a 2011 report, “since the Trust Fund’s creation in 1970, revenues have in the aggregate generally exceeded spending commitments from FAA’s appropriations, resulting in a surplus.”

     

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    The funding to FAA is 70% private , 30% public (to pay for military usage and others...). The the real cuts to the FAA is not the 2% across the board is only come to .06% cut to the FAA. They have prenty of resources to move around. This is all political gamesmanship by the whining Obama Admin

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Sequestors Are For Little People

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to ImYourDaddy's comment:

     

     

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

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    The FAA doesn't need its budget restore, is all a big made up crisis by Obama. FAA budget is funded by travelers

     

     

    Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF)

    The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is funded primarily by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (Trust Fund or AATF) which receives revenues from a series of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system — and by the General Fund. The Airport and Airway Revenue Act of 1970 created the Trust Fund to provide a dedicated source of funding for the aviation system independent of the General Fund.

    The Trust Fund's purpose was to establish sources of funding that would increase concurrently with the use of the system, and assure timely and long-term commitments to capacity increases. The Trust Fund was designed to finance investments in the airport and airway system and, to the extent funds were available, cover the operating costs of the airway system as well.

    Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

    • Domestic airline passenger tickets
    • Domestic airline passenger flight segments
    • International passenger arrivals and departures
    • Air cargo waybills
    • Aviation fuels
    • Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards

    The Current Aviation Excise Tax Structure and Rates (PDF) provides current and historical tax rates.

    The largest source of excise tax revenues is from transportation of passengers. Taxes from transportation of passengers include the domestic passenger ticket tax, domestic flight segment fees, and taxes on mileage awards (frequent flyer tax). The next largest tax revenue source is the Use of International Air Facilities, i.e., the international arrival and departure fees.

    Current Status

    At the beginning of FY 2012 the Trust Fund had a cash balance of $10.3 billion. The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) Fact Sheet (PDF) provides a summary of facts about the Trust Fund.

     

     




    The link you posted states that the FAA operating expenses for 2012 was $16 billion.

     

     

    It also states that FAA Trust Fund raised $11.5 billion in revenue.

    That leaves an operating budget shortfall of $4.5 billion, which is filled by federal budget appropriations and subject to the sequester. Your link also explicitly states that all of the federal appropriations, the funds subject to sequester, is contained in ONE line item; OPERATIONS.

    So thank you for proving the point that the FAA had no choice but to furlough AT Controllers as they are the single largest expense under Operations and the only portion of the FAA budget subject to the sequester.

     

    House appropriators in charge of the FAA explicitly said the agency had to cut anything for which a dollar amount had been appropriated by Congress.

    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/26/now-for-sale-congress-constitutional-authority/#ixzz2RgmTXb1B




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    When you buy a domestic airline ticket, you pay 7.5 percent of the price to the FAA, plus $3.80 per “flight segment,” indexed to inflation. International flights cost $16.70 apiece, also indexed. If you’re sending someone a gift via air freight, the carrier you choose will pay 6.25 percent of the cargo cost in FAA tax. And your airline — really, you — will pay a 4.3-cent-a-gallon tax on jet fuel.

    In 2012, all those “dedicated taxes” added up to $11.6 billion. Last year, these fees funded all but 29 percent of the FAA’s operating and capital budgets. Considering that President Obama had to borrow 31 percent of last year’s general budget — which relies on general taxes rather than user fees — the FAA was more than holding its own. Plus, as the lobbying association for the airlines reminds the public, the FAA also serves private and military aircraft. “In large part,” Airlines for America notes, the general-fund subsidy “supports the nonairline functions of the FAA.” Finally, as the Government Accountability Office said in a 2011 report, “since the Trust Fund’s creation in 1970, revenues have in the aggregate generally exceeded spending commitments from FAA’s appropriations, resulting in a surplus.”

     

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    The funding to FAA is 70% private , 30% public (to pay for military usage and others...). The the real cuts to the FAA is not the 2% across the board is only come to .06% cut to the FAA. They have prenty of resources to move around. This is all political gamesmanship by the whining Obama Admin

     

     

     

     

     

     




    If you are just going to post ideological rants then have at it.

     

    The source you posted specifically states that 100% of the funds appropriated by Congress goes to OPERATIONS.

    The sequester, as stated in my post, specifically states that only money appropriated by Congress is subject to cuts, which is only the OPERATIONS budget of the FAA.

    The sequester also states;
    ...that no funds may be obligated from working capital fund accounts to augment programs, projects or activities for which appropriations have been specifically rejected by the Congress...

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&sid=cp112buEZ4&r_n=hr541.112&dbname=cp112&&sel=TOC_1529&

    That means that the FAA CANNOT take any money from it's capital accounts, AATF, to pay for AT Controllers.

    Read the information before posting wildly innacurate statements based on your ideology.

     

     



    Ponder this logic, if that's the right word: The sequester cuts about $637 million from the FAA, which is less than 4% of its $15.9 billion 2012 budget, and it limits the agency to what it spent in 2010. The White House decided to translate this 4% cut that it has the legal discretion to avoid into a 10% cut for air traffic controllers. Though controllers will be furloughed for one of every 10 working days, four of every 10 flights won't arrive on time.

    -snip-

    The White House claims the sequester applies to the budget category known as "projects, programs and activities" and thus it lacks flexibility. Not so: This is a political pose to make the sequester more disruptive. Legally speaking, the sequester applies at a more general level known as "accounts." The air traffic account includes 15,000 controllers out of 31,000 employees. The White House could keep the controllers on duty simply by allocating more furlough days to these other non-essential workers.

     

     

    Instead, the FAA is even imposing the controller furlough on every airport equally, not prioritizing among the largest and busiest airports. San Francisco's Napa Valley airport with no commercial service will absorb the same proportion of the cuts as the central New York radar terminal, which covers La Guardia, JFK and Newark International, as well as MacArthur, Teterboro, New Haven, Republic and other regional fields.

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    2013 FAA Operation budget request is for 9.7 billion that covers all FAA workforce plus maintence of air traffic control service

    The public funds collected is more than enough to cover

    http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/faa_%20fy_%202013_budget_estimate.pdf

     

     
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    The FAA doesn't need its budget restore, is all a big made up crisis by Obama. FAA budget is funded by travelers

     

     

    Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF)

    The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is funded primarily by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (Trust Fund or AATF) which receives revenues from a series of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system — and by the General Fund. The Airport and Airway Revenue Act of 1970 created the Trust Fund to provide a dedicated source of funding for the aviation system independent of the General Fund.

    The Trust Fund's purpose was to establish sources of funding that would increase concurrently with the use of the system, and assure timely and long-term commitments to capacity increases. The Trust Fund was designed to finance investments in the airport and airway system and, to the extent funds were available, cover the operating costs of the airway system as well.

    Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

    • Domestic airline passenger tickets
    • Domestic airline passenger flight segments
    • International passenger arrivals and departures
    • Air cargo waybills
    • Aviation fuels
    • Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards

    The Current Aviation Excise Tax Structure and Rates (PDF) provides current and historical tax rates.

    The largest source of excise tax revenues is from transportation of passengers. Taxes from transportation of passengers include the domestic passenger ticket tax, domestic flight segment fees, and taxes on mileage awards (frequent flyer tax). The next largest tax revenue source is the Use of International Air Facilities, i.e., the international arrival and departure fees.

    Current Status

    At the beginning of FY 2012 the Trust Fund had a cash balance of $10.3 billion. The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) Fact Sheet (PDF) provides a summary of facts about the Trust Fund.

     

     




    The link you posted states that the FAA operating expenses for 2012 was $16 billion.

     

     

    It also states that FAA Trust Fund raised $11.5 billion in revenue.

    That leaves an operating budget shortfall of $4.5 billion, which is filled by federal budget appropriations and subject to the sequester. Your link also explicitly states that all of the federal appropriations, the funds subject to sequester, is contained in ONE line item; OPERATIONS.

    So thank you for proving the point that the FAA had no choice but to furlough AT Controllers as they are the single largest expense under Operations and the only portion of the FAA budget subject to the sequester.

     

    House appropriators in charge of the FAA explicitly said the agency had to cut anything for which a dollar amount had been appropriated by Congress.

    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/26/now-for-sale-congress-constitutional-authority/#ixzz2RgmTXb1B




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    When you buy a domestic airline ticket, you pay 7.5 percent of the price to the FAA, plus $3.80 per “flight segment,” indexed to inflation. International flights cost $16.70 apiece, also indexed. If you’re sending someone a gift via air freight, the carrier you choose will pay 6.25 percent of the cargo cost in FAA tax. And your airline — really, you — will pay a 4.3-cent-a-gallon tax on jet fuel.

    In 2012, all those “dedicated taxes” added up to $11.6 billion. Last year, these fees funded all but 29 percent of the FAA’s operating and capital budgets. Considering that President Obama had to borrow 31 percent of last year’s general budget — which relies on general taxes rather than user fees — the FAA was more than holding its own. Plus, as the lobbying association for the airlines reminds the public, the FAA also serves private and military aircraft. “In large part,” Airlines for America notes, the general-fund subsidy “supports the nonairline functions of the FAA.” Finally, as the Government Accountability Office said in a 2011 report, “since the Trust Fund’s creation in 1970, revenues have in the aggregate generally exceeded spending commitments from FAA’s appropriations, resulting in a surplus.”

     

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    The funding to FAA is 70% private , 30% public (to pay for military usage and others...). The the real cuts to the FAA is not the 2% across the board is only come to .06% cut to the FAA. They have prenty of resources to move around. This is all political gamesmanship by the whining Obama Admin

     

     

     

     

     

     




    If you are just going to post ideological rants then have at it.

     

    The source you posted specifically states that 100% of the funds appropriated by Congress goes to OPERATIONS.

    The sequester, as stated in my post, specifically states that only money appropriated by Congress is subject to cuts, which is only the OPERATIONS budget of the FAA.

    The sequester also states;
    ...that no funds may be obligated from working capital fund accounts to augment programs, projects or activities for which appropriations have been specifically rejected by the Congress...

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&sid=cp112buEZ4&r_n=hr541.112&dbname=cp112&&sel=TOC_1529&

    That means that the FAA CANNOT take any money from it's capital accounts, AATF, to pay for AT Controllers.

    Read the information before posting wildly innacurate statements based on your ideology.

     

     

     



    Ponder this logic, if that's the right word: The sequester cuts about $637 million from the FAA, which is less than 4% of its $15.9 billion 2012 budget, and it limits the agency to what it spent in 2010. The White House decided to translate this 4% cut that it has the legal discretion to avoid into a 10% cut for air traffic controllers. Though controllers will be furloughed for one of every 10 working days, four of every 10 flights won't arrive on time.

     

    -snip-

    The White House claims the sequester applies to the budget category known as "projects, programs and activities" and thus it lacks flexibility. Not so: This is a political pose to make the sequester more disruptive. Legally speaking, the sequester applies at a more general level known as "accounts." The air traffic account includes 15,000 controllers out of 31,000 employees. The White House could keep the controllers on duty simply by allocating more furlough days to these other non-essential workers.

     

     

    Instead, the FAA is even imposing the controller furlough on every airport equally, not prioritizing among the largest and busiest airports. San Francisco's Napa Valley airport with no commercial service will absorb the same proportion of the cuts as the central New York radar terminal, which covers La Guardia, JFK and Newark International, as well as MacArthur, Teterboro, New Haven, Republic and other regional fields.

    ====

    2013 FAA Operation budget request is for 9.7 billion that covers all FAA workforce plus maintence of air traffic control service

    The public funds collected is more than enough to cover

    http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/faa_%20fy_%202013_budget_estimate.pdf

     

     




     

    You can keep regurgitating the same baloney from various echo chamber sites but it doesn't change one basic fact:

    Why would Congress need to pass any legislation affecting the FAA?

    They didn't appropriate more money. They didn't tell them how to spend their money. The only thing they did was allow for more FAA discretion with the funds they already have.

    Why would they need to do that if, as you keep posting ad nauseam, the FAA already has that flexibility?

    If the FAA is doing it at their discretion, and the new bill doesn't allocate any new funds or direct the FAA in any way how to spend the money they have, why bother wasting time passing the new bill?

     

    I hope you can find a boilerplate answer to that in one of your echo chambers.



    Exactly ... they didn't add anymore funding, they still had the same cuts.... SO where did they find this money to stop the furlough ??? 

    Congress passed the bill to stop all this BS, its forces them to cut from other areas

    The horror the cuts bring them back to 2010 funding level

     

     
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    The FAA doesn't need its budget restore, is all a big made up crisis by Obama. FAA budget is funded by travelers

     

     

    Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF)

    The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is funded primarily by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (Trust Fund or AATF) which receives revenues from a series of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system — and by the General Fund. The Airport and Airway Revenue Act of 1970 created the Trust Fund to provide a dedicated source of funding for the aviation system independent of the General Fund.

    The Trust Fund's purpose was to establish sources of funding that would increase concurrently with the use of the system, and assure timely and long-term commitments to capacity increases. The Trust Fund was designed to finance investments in the airport and airway system and, to the extent funds were available, cover the operating costs of the airway system as well.

    Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

    • Domestic airline passenger tickets
    • Domestic airline passenger flight segments
    • International passenger arrivals and departures
    • Air cargo waybills
    • Aviation fuels
    • Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards

    The Current Aviation Excise Tax Structure and Rates (PDF) provides current and historical tax rates.

    The largest source of excise tax revenues is from transportation of passengers. Taxes from transportation of passengers include the domestic passenger ticket tax, domestic flight segment fees, and taxes on mileage awards (frequent flyer tax). The next largest tax revenue source is the Use of International Air Facilities, i.e., the international arrival and departure fees.

    Current Status

    At the beginning of FY 2012 the Trust Fund had a cash balance of $10.3 billion. The Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF) Fact Sheet (PDF) provides a summary of facts about the Trust Fund.

     

     




    The link you posted states that the FAA operating expenses for 2012 was $16 billion.

     

     

    It also states that FAA Trust Fund raised $11.5 billion in revenue.

    That leaves an operating budget shortfall of $4.5 billion, which is filled by federal budget appropriations and subject to the sequester. Your link also explicitly states that all of the federal appropriations, the funds subject to sequester, is contained in ONE line item; OPERATIONS.

    So thank you for proving the point that the FAA had no choice but to furlough AT Controllers as they are the single largest expense under Operations and the only portion of the FAA budget subject to the sequester.

     

    House appropriators in charge of the FAA explicitly said the agency had to cut anything for which a dollar amount had been appropriated by Congress.

    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/26/now-for-sale-congress-constitutional-authority/#ixzz2RgmTXb1B




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    When you buy a domestic airline ticket, you pay 7.5 percent of the price to the FAA, plus $3.80 per “flight segment,” indexed to inflation. International flights cost $16.70 apiece, also indexed. If you’re sending someone a gift via air freight, the carrier you choose will pay 6.25 percent of the cargo cost in FAA tax. And your airline — really, you — will pay a 4.3-cent-a-gallon tax on jet fuel.

    In 2012, all those “dedicated taxes” added up to $11.6 billion. Last year, these fees funded all but 29 percent of the FAA’s operating and capital budgets. Considering that President Obama had to borrow 31 percent of last year’s general budget — which relies on general taxes rather than user fees — the FAA was more than holding its own. Plus, as the lobbying association for the airlines reminds the public, the FAA also serves private and military aircraft. “In large part,” Airlines for America notes, the general-fund subsidy “supports the nonairline functions of the FAA.” Finally, as the Government Accountability Office said in a 2011 report, “since the Trust Fund’s creation in 1970, revenues have in the aggregate generally exceeded spending commitments from FAA’s appropriations, resulting in a surplus.”

     

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    The funding to FAA is 70% private , 30% public (to pay for military usage and others...). The the real cuts to the FAA is not the 2% across the board is only come to .06% cut to the FAA. They have prenty of resources to move around. This is all political gamesmanship by the whining Obama Admin

     

     

     

     

     

     




    If you are just going to post ideological rants then have at it.

     

    The source you posted specifically states that 100% of the funds appropriated by Congress goes to OPERATIONS.

    The sequester, as stated in my post, specifically states that only money appropriated by Congress is subject to cuts, which is only the OPERATIONS budget of the FAA.

    The sequester also states;
    ...that no funds may be obligated from working capital fund accounts to augment programs, projects or activities for which appropriations have been specifically rejected by the Congress...

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&sid=cp112buEZ4&r_n=hr541.112&dbname=cp112&&sel=TOC_1529&

    That means that the FAA CANNOT take any money from it's capital accounts, AATF, to pay for AT Controllers.

    Read the information before posting wildly innacurate statements based on your ideology.

     

     

     



    Ponder this logic, if that's the right word: The sequester cuts about $637 million from the FAA, which is less than 4% of its $15.9 billion 2012 budget, and it limits the agency to what it spent in 2010. The White House decided to translate this 4% cut that it has the legal discretion to avoid into a 10% cut for air traffic controllers. Though controllers will be furloughed for one of every 10 working days, four of every 10 flights won't arrive on time.

     

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    The White House claims the sequester applies to the budget category known as "projects, programs and activities" and thus it lacks flexibility. Not so: This is a political pose to make the sequester more disruptive. Legally speaking, the sequester applies at a more general level known as "accounts." The air traffic account includes 15,000 controllers out of 31,000 employees. The White House could keep the controllers on duty simply by allocating more furlough days to these other non-essential workers.

     

     

    Instead, the FAA is even imposing the controller furlough on every airport equally, not prioritizing among the largest and busiest airports. San Francisco's Napa Valley airport with no commercial service will absorb the same proportion of the cuts as the central New York radar terminal, which covers La Guardia, JFK and Newark International, as well as MacArthur, Teterboro, New Haven, Republic and other regional fields.

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    2013 FAA Operation budget request is for 9.7 billion that covers all FAA workforce plus maintence of air traffic control service

    The public funds collected is more than enough to cover

    http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/faa_%20fy_%202013_budget_estimate.pdf

     

     




     

    You can keep regurgitating the same baloney from various echo chamber sites but it doesn't change one basic fact:

    Why would Congress need to pass any legislation affecting the FAA?

    They didn't appropriate more money. They didn't tell them how to spend their money. The only thing they did was allow for more FAA discretion with the funds they already have.

    Why would they need to do that if, as you keep posting ad nauseam, the FAA already has that flexibility?

    If the FAA is doing it at their discretion, and the new bill doesn't allocate any new funds or direct the FAA in any way how to spend the money they have, why bother wasting time passing the new bill?

     

    I hope you can find a boilerplate answer to that in one of your echo chambers.




    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323735604578440981119902460.html

    link for that echo chamber site

     

     

     
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