Should Boston Public Schools have longer days?

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    Should Boston Public Schools have longer days?

    Should Boston public schools have longer days? The question often comes up in discussions about improving city schools. Some say extended school time -- for instruction or enrichment -- is a key reason Boston's charter schools outperform its traditional schools on test scores. But some advocates warn that longer days are no panacea. And extended days have been notoriously hard to implement: A proposal to stretch the day by 45 minutes was a major sticking point in last year's teacher contract negotiations, and the School Department eventually dropped the demand.

     

    So, should Boston public schools have longer days?

     
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    Re: Should Boston Public Schools have longer days?

    In response to chiefhowie's comment:

    How long are the days here now.

    My redneck day in AL were 7:30am _3:30 pm

    class 45 min.

    lunch 30 min

    study hall 1hr

    4 subjects  

    1 extra your choice >I. E. auto repair



    chiefhowie,

    http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/view/school-hours

    The hours depend on what grade you are in as well as which school you are in.

    The URL provides all the hours for the 2012-2013 school year for Boston public schools.

    The syllabus you provided I am guessing was for you high school years?

     
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    Interesting. As a former senior custodian in a school system I can say it's problematic. We had two months in the summer to clean our buildings from top to bottom. Nobody really considers that fact. They think it's easy to do. It's not.



    jed,

    I do not think anyone has really given much thought to the point you have raised if you look at the debates on this issue. If we are only talking about extending the school day then you still have the two months in the summer. If however we are talking about increasing the number of days, that is another story.

    Truth be told, your point did not occur to me. 

     

     
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    Re: Should Boston Public Schools have longer days?

    I am mixed about this. I actually support a longer school year over a longer school day. There is overwhelming evidence that both improve education the most at risk school districts...but I think it is a case by case thing. A community that has strong after school enrichment programs ( such as the 21st century program) would not really benefit from longer school days.

    Longer school days are only one small reason that many charter schools perform better. There are a whole host of other reasons that are far more philosophican in nature.

     

    " Above all..be the heroine in your life..not the victim" Nora Ephron

     
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    In response to jedwardnicky's comment:

    Interesting. As a former senior custodian in a school system I can say it's problematic. We had two months in the summer to clean our buildings from top to bottom. Nobody really considers that fact. They think it's easy to do. It's not.




    Complaining about a job your paid to do...That's intresting.

     
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     And we all know parents are gonna be pushing for this. It's 45 minutes more they don't have to deal with thier brat kids.

     

     

     

     

    At the end of your rope                                                                                                     

    Hanging by a thread

    He'd give anything for this to just go away

    This grip is only so strong

     

    I try to hold on tightly

    But it's all slipping through my fingers

    In a fleeting moment 

    Aspirations bled dry

    Eyes that once beamed with hope now only stare in remorse.

     

    -Times of grace

     
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    Re: Should Boston Public Schools have longer days?

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    Interesting. As a former senior custodian in a school system I can say it's problematic. We had two months in the summer to clean our buildings from top to bottom. Nobody really considers that fact. They think it's easy to do. It's not.

     

     




     

     

    Complaining about a job your paid to do...That's intresting.

     

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    Nope, not complaining. Just pointing out a fact. It wasn't easy to do, particularly doing the most physical work of the year in the hottest months in buildings that were not airconditioned. As I said before, few people consider that and think it's easy to do.

     

    Aside from that, extending the school year either by longer days, or by longer school years, would mean higher costs in the maintenance, personel, heating and electrical costs to the tax payer.

    It's "intresting" you think I'm complaining.

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    jed,

    I never thought you were complaining. I thought you made an interesting point that I...and I believe others...did not consider in this issue.

    Do not know how the poster made the jump to complaining.

     
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    Alabama public schools will be under a new state-created academic accountability system that sets different goals for students in math and reading based on their race, economic status, ability to speak English and disabilities.” Alabama’s Plan 2020 “sets a different standard for students in each of several subgroups — American Indian, Asian/Pacific islander, black, English language learners, Hispanic, multirace, poverty, special education and white.”




    chiefhowie,

    Interesting.

    Does this 2020 plan set lower standards for these subgroups?

     
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    Alabama public schools will be under a new state-created academic accountability system that sets different goals for students in math and reading based on their race, economic status, ability to speak English and disabilities.” Alabama’s Plan 2020 “sets a different standard for students in each of several subgroups — American Indian, Asian/Pacific islander, black, English language learners, Hispanic, multirace, poverty, special education and white.”


     

     



    chiefhowie,

     

     

    Interesting.

    Does this 2020 plan set lower standards for these subgroups?

     

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    According to the source  it does . "To accell those students". 

     

    I think it's  to save money.

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    chiefhowie,

    Do you think it does a disservice to these "subgroups"? I think it does.

     
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    1. Does anyone really believe it will improve the dismal performance of Boston students

    2. What will it cost?

     
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    1. Does anyone really believe it will improve the dismal performance of Boston students

    2. What will it cost?



    Do you really think it is not worth trying?

    If it were your children in the Boston public school system, what would you want?

    What will it cost if nothing is done? Think back to your school days. Do they resemble the Boston public school system experience?

    I know mine do not. And I thank my lucky stars they do not. I have no idea who I would be if I had had to survive K-12 in that. Maybe I would have be fortuate enough to attend a charter school or Boston Rindge and Latin but, not spaces for everyone in those schools.

     
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    1. Does anyone really believe it will improve the dismal performance of Boston students

    2. What will it cost?

     

     



    Do you really think it is not worth trying?

     

     

    If it were your children in the Boston public school system, what would you want?

    What will it cost if nothing is done? Think back to your school days. Do they resemble the Boston public school system experience?

    I know mine do not. And I thank my lucky stars they do not. I have no idea who I would be if I had had to survive K-12 in that. Maybe I would have be fortuate enough to attend a charter school or Boston Rindge and Latin but, not spaces for everyone in those schools.

     

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    I think you meant Cambridge Rindge and Latin. That's not in Boston.

     

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    jed,

    You are right of course. My bad.

    Esp. bad because I was just reading an article in Esquire about Matt Damon who went to Cambridge Ringe and Latin then on to Harvard. (Though he did not finish Harvard. Guess that decision did not turn out so badly.)

     
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    Re: Should Boston Public Schools have longer days?

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    Yes. Children are stupid. Keep 'em until 4 or 5.



    WDYWN,

    Children are far from stupid. But by coincidence of birth, children have far different educational experiences.

    So, assuming you do think the Boston public school system could be improved, and should be improved, do you have any suggestions?

     
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    1. Does anyone really believe it will improve the dismal performance of Boston students

    2. What will it cost?

     



    Do you really think it is not worth trying?

     

    If it were your children in the Boston public school system, what would you want?

    What will it cost if nothing is done? Think back to your school days. Do they resemble the Boston public school system experience?

    I know mine do not. And I thank my lucky stars they do not. I have no idea who I would be if I had had to survive K-12 in that. Maybe I would have be fortuate enough to attend a charter school or Boston Rindge and Latin but, not spaces for everyone in those schools.

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    I reasonably asked 2 questions.

    We can't continue to chase political  Pegasus ideas without facts, budgets and goals.

    What metrics will be applied BEFORE we whack the taxpayers again aka Stimulus, renewable energy, etc

     

    I attended BPS in days when they produced good students.. not argueably the case today.

    Following that thought.. WHY the poor quality of education?

    I think we share the common goal of improving education but owe it to ourselves and the children to KNOW where the system failed them... or is this possibly a move from the corrupt teachers unions to grab cash.   

     
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