Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

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    Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    This guy had lost it and was a danger to society but, to have him trapped and just set the building on fire after a few hours with police shouting things like "Burn this motherfocker" is not right.

    I understand the emotion but, even though his actions were horrific; he deserved more as a human being let alone a US citizen!

    IF, these accounts are true and Im not saying they are!

    http://www.infowars.com/lapd-audio-from-dorner-siege-burn-this-motherfucker/

     
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  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    Since it was a black man on a race based killing spree.

    testimony would have been ugly.. acceptable collateral damage



    Race based killing spree??

    what are you talking about?

     
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    There was no racial motivations to his crime spree, he intended to take out elements of the LAPD and in one instance the family members of the LAPD. No Mo O is either trolling (big surprise) or doesn't know what he is talking about (highly likely)

    As I understand it, the fugitive officer killed himself, but regardless of whether he did prior to the fire or not, there seems to be evidence that the police on the scene intentionally set the fire.  I have not heard of purposely burning a building to smoke out a suspect.  Typically the negotiators get called, tear gas may be used, or they police may attempt to breach the building and take the suspect by force.  But I have never heard of setting a hideout on fire. 

    While I doubted there was anyway Dorner was walking away from this alive, it looks as though there is some explaining that the San Bernadino's sherriff's dept needs to do. 

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:



     

    I hate this phrase but sometimes it's appropriate.

     

    Oh. My. God.

     

    YOU ARE CITING INFOWARS YOU MORON!

     

    As if saying you don't know whether you know whether the accounts are true covers you.....hahaahah

     

     


    Do you even know what this website is?

     

    This is Alex Jones site. He makes stuff up and puts it in free articles. The gist is to sell you his post-apocalyptic survival videos, food kits, and so on. He preys on the mentally ill and borderline mentally ill. He is scum and the people he preys on are sick. It is so unbelievably hilarious that you're citing him as a news source.

     

    Clue: He's the guy who claimed that Bush masterminded 9/11 - BUSH, mind you - in order to get us into WWIII, at which point he would hand over control of the United States to "international bankster" David Bilderbeg.

     

    How can you site anyone who says that seriously...about anything?

     

    The truther grimfandango in national news was always trying to get people to check it out! LOL!

     

    LOL. You have ZERO credibility on any subject if you are going to take infowars at his word. I mean you already proved yourself a non-thinking psychophant, but this just takes the cake.

     

     

     

    INFOWARS!

     
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    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    there seems to be evidence that the police on the scene intentionally set the fire.


    As long as the evidence doesn't come from infowars....I'll be willing to listen... 

     
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    there seems to be evidence that the police on the scene intentionally set the fire.



    As long as the evidence doesn't come from infowars....I'll be willing to listen... 

     




    On the police scanner some of the officers can be heard saying the following:

    "All right, Steve, we're gonna go, er, we're gonna go forward with the plan, with, er, with the burn. We want it, er, like we talked about. [...] Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

    Journalist Max Blumenthal, apparently heard this as he was monitoring the scanners and tweeted what he heard moments after it was said.  So if true the local PD has some explaining to do. 

     
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    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    From what I read it appears that Dorner was trapped in a cabin and during a brief firefight shot two deputies killing one of them.  Dorner had a scorch the earth approach here and seemed to be heading towards suicide by cop.

    So San Berndino Sherriefs Dept brings in the swat vehicle and the opens up the sides of the cabin in order to leave him no place to hide and shoot, seems logical to me.  Then once the cabin is opened up a single gun shot is heard from inside the cabin and the building bursts into flames.  I don't think that the fire dept is about to put out a fire nor should they, risk the lives of its force to save a guy who has vowed to kill anyone that crosses him.

    Most likely the autopsy will show death to be by a self inflicted single gun shot to head, good riddance.  That being said; his claim may have been true and the case that caused him to be fired should be reopened for a real review, but the review would have been better if Dorner didn't go off the reservation with his vendetta.

     
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    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

     

    There was no racial motivations to his crime spree, he intended to take out elements of the LAPD and in one instance the family members of the LAPD. No Mo O is either trolling (big surprise) or doesn't know what he is talking about (highly likely)

    As I understand it, the fugitive officer killed himself, but regardless of whether he did prior to the fire or not, there seems to be evidence that the police on the scene intentionally set the fire.  I have not heard of purposely burning a building to smoke out a suspect.  Typically the negotiators get called, tear gas may be used, or they police may attempt to breach the building and take the suspect by force.  But I have never heard of setting a hideout on fire. 

    While I doubted there was anyway Dorner was walking away from this alive, it looks as though there is some explaining that the San Bernadino's sherriff's dept needs to do. 

     




    A black man killing only white people must only be coincidence.

     




    Here are his victims:

    Monica Quan - of Asian descent

    Keith Lawrence - Black

    Michael Crain - white

    San Bernadino deputy - unnamed, race TBD.

    http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-who-they-were-dorners-alleged-victims/

    So as I suspected you had no idea what you were talking about, so go crawl back under your rock. 

     
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    Really, everyone should have NO MO O on ignore by now. Does he ever say anything worth responding to?


    He's either an IQ-75 racist with anti-personality disorder and an inferiority complex...

     

    ...or he's a high school kid trying to use shock talk to get a reaction because he's desparately not trying to hear what teacher is saying. That is when he isn't drawing phalluses on his desk.

     

    He hasn't said one single thing listening to.

     
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  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhatDoYouWantNow. Show WhatDoYouWantNow's posts

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    He cited infowars.... oh man...

     

    That other outlets are reporting on something vaguely similar does not change the fact that YOU read INFOWARS.....   

     

     

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from ComingLiberalCrackup. Show ComingLiberalCrackup's posts

    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    "I have not heard of purposely burning a building to smoke out a suspect."

    That's what they did to John Wilkes Booth, lit up a barn he was hiding in.

     
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    No offense tv, but I gotta go with WDYWN on this one.  Infowars is PrisonPlanet is Grimfandango is, "uhm, no"

     
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    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

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    From what I read it appears that Dorner was trapped in a cabin and during a brief firefight shot two deputies killing one of them.  Dorner had a scorch the earth approach here and seemed to be heading towards suicide by cop.

    So San Berndino Sherriefs Dept brings in the swat vehicle and the opens up the sides of the cabin in order to leave him no place to hide and shoot, seems logical to me.  Then once the cabin is opened up a single gun shot is heard from inside the cabin and the building bursts into flames.  I don't think that the fire dept is about to put out a fire nor should they, risk the lives of its force to save a guy who has vowed to kill anyone that crosses him.

    Most likely the autopsy will show death to be by a self inflicted single gun shot to head, good riddance.  That being said; his claim may have been true and the case that caused him to be fired should be reopened for a real review, but the review would have been better if Dorner didn't go off the reservation with his vendetta.




    Unfortuantely, it sounds like no one but the police were there. Unless there are leaks we may not find out what really happened.

    I'm not going to indict them without proof, but I've seen enough cop rage in my cases and those of my colleagues that I would not rule out the possibility that where cops were killed, his/her fellows might retalite with such a brutal means of death.

    Or, to simply not put much effort into getting the suspect out.

     

     

    If they wanted to get him out by fire, what were they going to do? If the reason for using the fire is that he's been gunning them down, then the second he comes out they'll just shoot him. Fire sounds like one of the worst ways to go. Just shoot the place up from the outside if you need to kill him.

    If he's still shooting at you, this isn't one of those "what do you do with a captured prisoner" situations.....   

    I expect a lot from officers in terms of constitutional rights, but I don't think one of their duties is to commit suicide in capturing a suspect who keeps opening fire on you.

     

     
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    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

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    Unfortuantely, it sounds like no one but the police were there. Unless there are leaks we may not find out what really happened.

    I'm not going to indict them without proof, but I've seen enough cop rage in my cases and those of my colleagues that I would not rule out the possibility that where cops were killed, his/her fellows might retalite with such a brutal means of death.

    Or, to simply not put much effort into getting the suspect out. 

    If they wanted to get him out by fire, what were they going to do? If the reason for using the fire is that he's been gunning them down, then the second he comes out they'll just shoot him. Fire sounds like one of the worst ways to go. Just shoot the place up from the outside if you need to kill him.

    If he's still shooting at you, this isn't one of those "what do you do with a captured prisoner" situations.....   

    I expect a lot from officers in terms of constitutional rights, but I don't think one of their duties is to commit suicide in capturing a suspect who keeps opening fire on you.

     




    Yelling "burn the mfer" sounds quite condemning

     
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    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    No offense tv, but I gotta go with WDYWN on this one.  Infowars is PrisonPlanet is Grimfandango is, "uhm, no"



    True the source I posted is unreliable. Hence my "not saying this is true" but, I heard others on music radio echoing the same thing. Now they are DJ's not reporters but, it was a weak collaboration.

     
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    "burn the mfer"




    Infowars.

     

    Simply not worth looking at.

     

    Do some digging if you don't believe me. It's filled with quotes from "firefighters" and "anonymous sources" with all sorts of "evidence" that Bush set of demolition charges to bring down the towers. Or nano-thermite. Or remote-controlled airplanes with no one on them, and people paid to pretend to call their loved ones to say goodbye (and then dissapear to second lives, i suppose).

    The site is as heartless as it is insane.

    If you want to regain any credibility, never cite it again.

     
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    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    If you want to regain any credibility, never cite it again.



    You could not possibly underestimate my lack of concern for your thoughts on my credibility! lol

    Hows video for evidence?

    Here's video of police reportedly shouting "burn that motherfucker" and "burn him out" as Dorner was surrounded inside the cabin.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022364793

     

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

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    BOOM

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhatDoYouWantNow. Show WhatDoYouWantNow's posts

    Re: Since when does the govt have the right to burn people alive?

    WHOOSH

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from tvoter. Show tvoter's posts

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    Liked the video huh? lmao!!

     
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    Liked the video huh? lmao!!




    Man you just don't get it. You cited infowars.

    That a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't save you.