So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

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    Ta.. Da ... Not implementing Obamacare fast enough.


    House Republicans will base their lawsuit against President Barack Obama on the administration’s “unilateral” decision delay the employer mandate provision in Obamacare, Speaker John Boehner said Thursday.


    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/gop-obama-lawsuit-employer-mandate-108778.html


     

     
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    I.E. for not following/breaking the law. 

     

     

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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

     
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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

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    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

     
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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

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    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

    [/QUOTE]

    An asylum law was passed under G.W. Bush that says that children from countries that do not border the U.S., are entitled to a hearing to decide if they should be granted amnesty.  Are you suggesting he should be impeached for following our own laws?

     
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    ronnie come on ..... is that all you have this morning .... a border crisis of his own making ?

    well I guess you're right about the border crisis he should do more like arrest those protesters who are getting in the way .

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:
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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

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    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

    [/QUOTE]

    An asylum law was passed under G.W. Bush that says that children from countries that do not border the U.S., are entitled to a hearing to decide if they should be granted amnesty.  Are you suggesting he should be impeached for following our own laws?

    [/QUOTE]

    That is only about what happens when they get here. 

    It is hard to distinguish the dereliction of duty displayed by Obama from past Presidents since Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and the rest of the Democrat Party fd us over with immigration "reform" in the early 60s.

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:
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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

    [/QUOTE]

    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

    [/QUOTE]

    An asylum law was passed under G.W. Bush that says that children from countries that do not border the U.S., are entitled to a hearing to decide if they should be granted amnesty.  Are you suggesting he should be impeached for following our own laws?

    [/QUOTE]

    That is only about what happens when they get here. 

    It is hard to distinguish the dereliction of duty displayed by Obama from past Presidents since Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and the rest of the Democrat Party fd us over with immigration "reform" in the early 60s.

    [/QUOTE]


    Yup ... that is exactly what I expected

     
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    Ta.. Da ... Not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

     

    This buzzard belongs to the President Obama and the Democrats lock, stock, and barrel (sorry if you're offended by the weapons metaphor but it fits.)

    They forced it through with help from a fraudulent election in Minnesota and without accepting any input from the loyal opposition ("I won".)  Republicans are right to force President Obama to implement the law as passed rather than allowing him to illegally play favorites/politics. They built it, they need to deal with the consequences.

     

     

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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:
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    Ta.. Da ... Not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

     

    This buzzard belongs to the President Obama and the Democrats lock, stock, and barrel (sorry if you're offended by the weapons metaphor but it fits.)

    They forced it through with help from a fraudulent election in Minnesota and without accepting any input from the loyal opposition ("I won".)  Republicans are right to force President Obama to implement the law as passed rather than allowing him to illegally play favorites/politics. They built it, they need to deal with the consequences.

     

     

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    The GOP doesn't have it in them to sue Obama ....... the uninsured rate is at a record low .

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

    In response to high-road's comment:
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    Ta.. Da ... Not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

     

    House Republicans will base their lawsuit against President Barack Obama on the administration’s “unilateral” decision delay the employer mandate provision in Obamacare, Speaker John Boehner said Thursday.

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/gop-obama-lawsuit-employer-mandate-108778.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/gop-obama-lawsuit-employer-mandate-108778.html

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    Obamacare, which we are continuously reminded is the "law of the land",  had specific dates to implement its provisions.

    The President had no power to change the "law of the land" on his whim...

    Having said that, Boehner's lawsuit is not a good idea. Neither is talk of impeachment.

    Make the case to the voters, and elect a GOP Senate for a start...

     

     

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:
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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

    [/QUOTE]

    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

    [/QUOTE]

    An asylum law was passed under G.W. Bush that says that children from countries that do not border the U.S., are entitled to a hearing to decide if they should be granted amnesty.  Are you suggesting he should be impeached for following our own laws?

    [/QUOTE]

    That is only about what happens when they get here. 

    It is hard to distinguish the dereliction of duty displayed by Obama from past Presidents since Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and the rest of the Democrat Party fd us over with immigration "reform" in the early 60s.

    [/QUOTE]

    Don't forget Reagan.  What is happening today is the exact same thing that happened on his watch except on a smaller scale.

    http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-americans-and-asylum-poli...

    It is estimated that between 1981 and 1990, almost one million Salvadorans and Guatemalans fled repression at home and made the dangerous journey across Mexico, entering the United States clandestinely. Thousands traveled undetected to major cities such as Washington, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, New York, and Chicago.

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

    [/QUOTE]

    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

    [/QUOTE]

    An asylum law was passed under G.W. Bush that says that children from countries that do not border the U.S., are entitled to a hearing to decide if they should be granted amnesty.  Are you suggesting he should be impeached for following our own laws?

    [/QUOTE]

    That is only about what happens when they get here. 

    It is hard to distinguish the dereliction of duty displayed by Obama from past Presidents since Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and the rest of the Democrat Party fd us over with immigration "reform" in the early 60s.

    [/QUOTE]

    Don't forget Reagan.  What is happening today is the exact same thing that happened on his watch except on a smaller scale.

    http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-americans-and-asylum-poli" rel="nofollow">http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-americans-and-asylum-poli...

    It is estimated that between 1981 and 1990, almost one million Salvadorans and Guatemalans fled repression at home and made the dangerous journey across Mexico, entering the United States clandestinely. Thousands traveled undetected to major cities such as Washington, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, New York, and Chicago.

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    I didn't forget Reagan. He is a past President, no?

    Immigration reform = enforcing existing laws

    Never gets done.

    Put up a fence. Turn them away before they get here - tell them to apply legally. Too simple. The truth is that the powers that be want them to come in. Add who suffers the most from this? The low and middle income people that have to compete with invading foreigners for jobs.

     

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

    I wonder ... if this lawsuit gets shot down, will the wingnuts finally realize that all their caterwauling and partisan attacks are nothing but figments of their fevered imaginations ... or will they ... once again ... convince themselves that they know the law better than any 'activist' judge ... well except those 'activist' judges that rule in their favor.


    Will they finally come to grips with the fact that Obama is a legitimate PotUS, duly elected by the citizens of the United States, and is faithfully executing the duties of his office just as most previous presidents.

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:
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    GOP if you think Obama did something wrong impeach him .

    [/QUOTE]

    He did, and they should.

    heck, the border crisis alone, which is of his making is impeachable he's aiding and abetting an invasion-actively.

    [/QUOTE]

    An asylum law was passed under G.W. Bush that says that children from countries that do not border the U.S., are entitled to a hearing to decide if they should be granted amnesty.  Are you suggesting he should be impeached for following our own laws?

    [/QUOTE]

    That is only about what happens when they get here. 

    It is hard to distinguish the dereliction of duty displayed by Obama from past Presidents since Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and the rest of the Democrat Party fd us over with immigration "reform" in the early 60s.

    [/QUOTE]

    Don't forget Reagan.  What is happening today is the exact same thing that happened on his watch except on a smaller scale.

    http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-americans-and-asylum-poli" rel="nofollow">http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-americans-and-asylum-poli" rel="nofollow">http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/central-americans-and-asylum-poli...

    It is estimated that between 1981 and 1990, almost one million Salvadorans and Guatemalans fled repression at home and made the dangerous journey across Mexico, entering the United States clandestinely. Thousands traveled undetected to major cities such as Washington, DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, New York, and Chicago.

    [/QUOTE]

    I didn't forget Reagan. He is a past President, no?

    Immigration reform = enforcing existing laws

    Never gets done.

    Put up a fence. Turn them away before they get here - tell them to apply legally. Too simple. The truth is that the powers that be want them to come in. Add who suffers the most from this? The low and middle income people that have to compete with invading foreigners for jobs.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    You're a funny guy ...

    First you invoke past presidents and pols ... and when someone points to a more accurate comparison you do a 180 and say it's irrelevent.

    What difference does it make if we keep wages low, either by not raising the minimum wage or an over-supply of labor ... the job creators will be happy.

     

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

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    Ta.. Da ... Not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

    House Republicans will base their lawsuit against President Barack Obama on the administration’s “unilateral” decision delay the employer mandate provision in Obamacare, Speaker John Boehner said Thursday.



     
    Obamacare, which we are continuously reminded is the "law of the land",  had specific dates to implement its provisions.

    The President had no power to change the "law of the land" on his whim...


    Having said that, Boehner's lawsuit is not a good idea. Neither is talk of impeachment.

    Make the case to the voters, and elect a GOP Senate for a start...




    Have any laws in the past missed their targets for implementation?


    How about the law that every gov't entity will be audited .... and then the DoD takes a knee and doesn't comply?


    And then there's this:


    In May of 2006, just days before the end of open enrollment, President Bush took administrative action to waive “penalty fees for very low-income seniors and people with disabilities who sign up late” and allowed “the same impoverished beneficiaries to sign up for Medicare drug coverage until Dec. 31.”


    “In other words, you can apply after May 15th without penalty,” Bush told seniors during an event in Florida. “And that’s important for low-income seniors to understand.”


     


    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2006/05/09/13837_penalties-waived-for-low-income.html


     


    But I'm sure that was different somehow ... 

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

    Boehner's not just suing for not implementing Obamacare fast enough, but for easing the mandate he challenged as unconstitutional.  Does anybody think if Obama deferred to Congress it would have had a vote?  If there was any doubt left that the modern day GOP is anything but a bunch of take-my-ball-and-go-home crybaby sore losers, this was the final straw.

    BTW, delaying the mandate is what's known as a reprieve, and it's one of the explicitly enumerated powers of the President as declared in the Constitution. 

     
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    The potential attempted impeachment of Obama = fundraising for both parties.

    That's all that's going on here.




    I think this stunt is Boehner once again trying to appease the radical right ... without going full derp.


     

     
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    The potential attempted impeachment of Obama = fundraising for both parties.

     

     

    That's all that's going on here.

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    That is pretty much it. Showtime.

    Boehner is an idiot. What can he hope to gain with this? If it gets thrown out, Obama and his pals in the media will skewer him good.

     

     

     
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    BTW, delaying the mandate is what's known as a reprieve, and it's one of the explicitly enumerated powers of the President as declared in the Constitution. 

    Interpreting that particular executive power that broadly is granting way to much power to the executive branch, as I'm sure you'll agree when at some point in the future the occupant of the WH has an R appended to his name.

     

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    BTW, delaying the mandate is what's known as a reprieve, and it's one of the explicitly enumerated powers of the President as declared in the Constitution. 

    Interpreting that particular executive power that broadly is granting way to much power to the executive branch, as I'm sure you'll agree when at some point in the future the occupant of the WH has an R appended to his name.

     

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    Oh, is it a slippery slope?  Because the last guy in the WH with an R next to his name would sign a bill and then create an executive order declaring the opposite.  Remember the 2005 torture ban?

    You have it backwards anyway - the slippery slope is giving Congress the power of the executive branch.  Why stop at the mandate - if there's one illegal immigrant in this country, let's sue.  What about states that have legalized marijuana - it's still a federal crime.  Who should I sue to get some Colorado stoner arrested?

     

     

     
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    Re: So Bohner and the wingnuts are suing Obama for. .... drumroll ......

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    Boehner's not just suing for not implementing Obamacare fast enough, but for easing the mandate he challenged as unconstitutional.  Does anybody think if Obama deferred to Congress it would have had a vote?  If there was any doubt left that the modern day GOP is anything but a bunch of take-my-ball-and-go-home crybaby sore losers, this was the final straw.

    BTW, delaying the mandate is what's known as a reprieve, and it's one of the explicitly enumerated powers of the President as declared in the Constitution. 

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    Reprieve? Ignoring specific statutory language is not a reprieve!

    Whatever the stated reason for the new delay, it is illegal. The text of the PPACA is quite clear. The text of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act provides that the employer mandate provisions “shall apply” after December 31, 2013. The Treasury Department claims that it has broad authority to offer “transition relief” in implementing the law. That may often be true, but not here. The language of the statute is clear, and it is well established that when Congress enacts explicit deadlines into federal statutes, without also providing authority to waive or delay such deadlines, federal agencies are obligated to stay on schedule. So, for instance, federal courts routinely force the Environmental Protection Agency to act when it misses deadlines and environmentalist groups file suit.

     
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    In response to slomag's comment:
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    Boehner's not just suing for not implementing Obamacare fast enough, but for easing the mandate he challenged as unconstitutional.  Does anybody think if Obama deferred to Congress it would have had a vote?  If there was any doubt left that the modern day GOP is anything but a bunch of take-my-ball-and-go-home crybaby sore losers, this was the final straw.

    BTW, delaying the mandate is what's known as a reprieve, and it's one of the explicitly enumerated powers of the President as declared in the Constitution. 

    [/QUOTE]


    Reprieve? Ignoring specific statutory language is not a reprieve!

    Whatever the stated reason for the new delay, it is illegal. The text of the PPACA is quite clear. The text of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act provides that the employer mandate provisions “shall apply” after December 31, 2013. The Treasury Department claims that it has broad authority to offer “transition relief” in implementing the law. That may often be true, but not here. The language of the statute is clear, and it is well established that when Congress enacts explicit deadlines into federal statutes, without also providing authority to waive or delay such deadlines, federal agencies are obligated to stay on schedule. So, for instance, federal courts routinely force the Environmental Protection Agency to act when it misses deadlines and environmentalist groups file suit.

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    The mandate is in effect. The penalty for compliance has been postponed.  That is the textbook definition of a reprieve.

     

     
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    Next up......

     

     

    Suing him for pardons

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    The wording is too vague.  "He shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons".  That doesn't necessarily mean he has the power to grant reprieves and pardons.   If it said something like "no law shall be passed to infringe the presidents ability to do things" - then we'd have an argument.

     

     
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    In response to slomag's comment:
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    Boehner's not just suing for not implementing Obamacare fast enough, but for easing the mandate he challenged as unconstitutional.  Does anybody think if Obama deferred to Congress it would have had a vote?  If there was any doubt left that the modern day GOP is anything but a bunch of take-my-ball-and-go-home crybaby sore losers, this was the final straw.

    BTW, delaying the mandate is what's known as a reprieve, and it's one of the explicitly enumerated powers of the President as declared in the Constitution. 

    [/QUOTE]


    Reprieve? Ignoring specific statutory language is not a reprieve!

    Whatever the stated reason for the new delay, it is illegal. The text of the PPACA is quite clear. The text of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act provides that the employer mandate provisions “shall apply” after December 31, 2013. The Treasury Department claims that it has broad authority to offer “transition relief” in implementing the law. That may often be true, but not here. The language of the statute is clear, and it is well established that when Congress enacts explicit deadlines into federal statutes, without also providing authority to waive or delay such deadlines, federal agencies are obligated to stay on schedule. So, for instance, federal courts routinely force the Environmental Protection Agency to act when it misses deadlines and environmentalist groups file suit.

    [/QUOTE]

    The mandate is in effect. The penalty for compliance has been postponed.  That is the textbook definition of a reprieve.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    19 changes to the law, done by executive order and by the HHS secretary, and you call that a reprieve.  Please reprieve us from the slouching towards tyranny we are experiencing by the object of your affection.

     

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