So, life begins at birth, right?

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    So, life begins at birth, right?

    Wrong!

     

    Florida legislators considering a bill to require abortionists to provide medical care to an infant who survives an abortion were shocked during a committee hearing this week when a Planned Parenthood official endorsed a right to post-birth abortion.

    Alisa LaPolt Snow, the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified that her organization believes the decision to kill an infant who survives a failed abortion should be left up to the woman seeking an abortion and her abortion doctor.

    To be clear, sponsor of the bill Republican Rep. Cary Pigman has said his interest in the bill is “solely and strictly to provide care for that infant that is born alive, following any procedure, that it receives full and appropriate resuscitation.”

    But Snow thinks politicians shouldn’t be the ones to decide “what constitutes the best medically appropriate treatment in any given situation.” Needless to say, the lawmakers were absolutely stunned:

    "So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd. "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

    "We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

    Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, "What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”

    "I do not have that information," Snow replied. "I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”

    Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

    Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”

    I think that at that point the patient would be the child struggling on the table, wouldn’t you agree?” asked Oliva.

    "That’s a very good question. I really don’t know how to answer that," Snow said.

    I DO!

     
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    Regardless what one thinks about abortion, once the baby is out of the mother, it needs to be protected.  To not do so is to engage in a conspiracy to murder.  At least that much should be clear.  

     
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    So, who supports killing a second semester child that is kicking and fighting for life on a table after a botched abortion???

     

     
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    So, who supports killing a second semester child that is kicking and fighting for life on a table after a botched abortion???

     




    Planned Parenthood

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

    So, who supports killing a second semester child that is kicking and fighting for life on a table after a botched abortion???

     

     




    Planned Parenthood

     



    One person representing Planned Parenthood.  

    I sincerely doubt the organization as a whole endorses such a policy.

     
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    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    Regardless what one thinks about abortion, once the baby is out of the mother, it needs to be protected.  To not do so is to engage in a conspiracy to murder.  At least that much should be clear.  



    I agree with Skeeter.  

    In other news, Hell has frozen over (probably due to Global Warming trends).

     
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    The only "abortion extremists" accoridng to eth liberal medai, are on eth right.

    The media silence is deafening.

    Snow's testimony comes at an inopportune moment for the deniers -- the "abortion rights" absolutists who hotly deny that infants are ever born alive during botched abortions -- because in Philadelphia, an abortionist is on trial.

    Dr. Kermit Gosnell is on trial for murder in the deaths of one woman and seven second trimester babies. The 41-year-old woman had sought an abortion and was given an overdose of narcotics at Gosnell's clinic. The seven babies were all born alive, according to the indictment. Gosnell then used scissors to "snip" their spinal columns. One of his assistants, who pled guilty to third-degree murder, said that such "snippings" were "routine" for late-term abortions -- so there were probably many more than seven.

    Gosnell wasn't at all particular about gestational age. An ultrasound technician recorded the age of one baby as 29.4 weeks, or about 7.5 months. In Pennsylvania, abortions are not permitted after 24 weeks (and survival is above 85 percent for babies born at 27 weeks). In one case, a nurse testified that a baby cried after being born. Gosnell snipped his neck and told the nurse that there was nothing to worry about. He was placed in a basin on a counter. Another large baby was disposed of in a shoebox, but he was too large and his feet dangled over the sides. In another case, Gosnell allegedly joked with a nurse that a baby was so big "he could have walked to the bus stop."



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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     There are flipping nutballs on either side of the aisle, and this is one of them.

    This person is advocating first degree murder.




    Is it just the persons stance or is it Planned Parentshoods stance?

     
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    Something tells me someone will blame the catholic church for this.  Even when a hospital group, who later apologizes, discusses this, the church gets blamed by some liberal nut.

     
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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

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    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

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    So, who supports killing a second semester child that is kicking and fighting for life on a table after a botched abortion???

     

     




    Planned Parenthood

     

     



    One person representing Planned Parenthood.  

     

    I sincerely doubt the organization as a whole endorses such a policy.

     



    So the the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates speaking at a committee meeting in front of state legislators was speaking for herself and not Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates? Um.....yeaaaaaaaaaah...ok

     



    Why don't you do some research on the matter.  Spokesmen do misspeak on occasion.  Or do you accept every idiot thing a member of the G.O.P. says as indicative of the G.O.P. policy on the subject?  I bet not... 

     
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    Re: So, life begins at birth, right?

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

    So, who supports killing a second semester child that is kicking and fighting for life on a table after a botched abortion???

     

     




    Planned Parenthood

     

     



    One person representing Planned Parenthood.  

     

    I sincerely doubt the organization as a whole endorses such a policy.



    Rubes marching orders:

    Progressives caught saying what they really beleive:

    narrow the scope...

    narrow the scope...

    narrow the scope...

    narrow the scope...

     
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    Re: So, life begins at birth, right?

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

     

    Regardless what one thinks about abortion, once the baby is out of the mother, it needs to be protected.  To not do so is to engage in a conspiracy to murder.  At least that much should be clear.  

     



    I agree with Skeeter.  

     

    In other news, Hell has frozen over (probably due to Global Warming trends).



    Ha!

     

    A rare agreement is the start of a new ice age.  I like it!

     
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    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

     

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

     

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

    So, who supports killing a second semester child that is kicking and fighting for life on a table after a botched abortion???

     

     




    Planned Parenthood

     

     



    One person representing Planned Parenthood.  

     

    I sincerely doubt the organization as a whole endorses such a policy.

     



    So the the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates speaking at a committee meeting in front of state legislators was speaking for herself and not Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates? Um.....yeaaaaaaaaaah...ok

     

     



    Why don't you do some research on the matter.  Spokesmen do misspeak on occasion.  Or do you accept every idiot thing a member of the G.O.P. says as indicative of the G.O.P. policy on the subject?  I bet not... 

     



    Well, she was asked several times to clarify, and the nub of it didn't change.

     
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    Re: So, life begins at birth, right?

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     There are flipping nutballs on either side of the aisle, and this is one of them.

    This person is advocating first degree murder.



    More cognitive dissonance.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    The only "abortion extremists" accoridng to eth liberal medai, are on eth right.

    The media silence is deafening.

    Snow's testimony comes at an inopportune moment for the deniers -- the "abortion rights" absolutists who hotly deny that infants are ever born alive during botched abortions -- because in Philadelphia, an abortionist is on trial.

    Dr. Kermit Gosnell is on trial for murder in the deaths of one woman and seven second trimester babies. The 41-year-old woman had sought an abortion and was given an overdose of narcotics at Gosnell's clinic. The seven babies were all born alive, according to the indictment. Gosnell then used scissors to "snip" their spinal columns. One of his assistants, who pled guilty to third-degree murder, said that such "snippings" were "routine" for late-term abortions -- so there were probably many more than seven.

    Gosnell wasn't at all particular about gestational age. An ultrasound technician recorded the age of one baby as 29.4 weeks, or about 7.5 months. In Pennsylvania, abortions are not permitted after 24 weeks (and survival is above 85 percent for babies born at 27 weeks). In one case, a nurse testified that a baby cried after being born. Gosnell snipped his neck and told the nurse that there was nothing to worry about. He was placed in a basin on a counter. Another large baby was disposed of in a shoebox, but he was too large and his feet dangled over the sides. In another case, Gosnell allegedly joked with a nurse that a baby was so big "he could have walked to the bus stop."



    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/04/02/inconvenient_headlines_117749.html#ixzz2PJiXNZvB
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    Back to Gosnell...  for the umpteenth time.  Just because there are  few idiots who advocate or engage in criminal behavior does not change the fact that liberals want freedom on this issue and conservatives don't.  There are a lot more idiots on the right intent on voiding this right and criminalizing its practice than there are idiots on the left who support criminal behavior. You are not convincing any one of anything when you bring up these fringe characters.

     
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    Re: So, life begins at birth, right?

    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

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     There are a lot more idiots on the right intent on voiding the right to kill babies and criminalizing its practice than there are idiots on the left who support this criminal behavior. You are not convincing any one of anything when you bring up these fringe characters.




    Just a clarification for you and we can only hope you are correct!

     
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    Is it just the persons stance or is it Planned Parentshoods stance?



    She said "we."

     

    Now it's on Planned Parenthood to adopt or deny that she accurately spoke for the organization.




    I'm just gonna take a wild guess, that PP didn't send someone to speak to legislators, you know, LAW makers, that they just said, "say whatever you want, we got your 6"

    Just a wild assumption, I am sure.

     
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    Re: So, life begins at birth, right?

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    Paid lobbyists representing a group at a committee hearing with state legislators typically go off script do they?



    Gee, now why do I get the feeling that this is just more petty arguing for the sake of arguing.

     

    "Typically"? What the hell does typically matter? Are you seriously taking the position that paid lobbyists representing a group at a committee hearing with state legislatures cannot possibly make a mistake?

    No?

    Then you are just making noise to be obnoxious. She may have misspoken, or she may not have.

    It's on PP to adopt or deny that she accurately represented their position.



    Well, no.  What she said is the position, until PP changes it.  She is their spokesmodel, so what she says, goes.

    That's how it works when you hire someone to tell your side of the story.  they tell your side of the story.

     
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