So much for "Affordable"

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    I DON"T BELEIVE IT! IT IS BENDING THE COST CURVE DOWN! DOWN I TELL YOU!! DON'T LISTEN TO IT!  OBAMACARE IS GOOD! SITCK YOUR FINGERS IN YOUR EARS AND REAPEAT: LALALAALALAALAALALAALAL....

     
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    At least $50 billion dollars annually is spent providing critical AND primary care for uninsured people...

    ...a big portion of whom make over $50,000 per year and thus should be able to afford coverage.

    It's past time for the uninsured to ante up as best they can.  Personal responsibility.

     

     

     
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    It's past time for the uninsured to ante up as best they can.  Personal responsibility.


    There's a whole bunch of college students looking up right about now and saying "what just happened?"

     

     
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    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........

     
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    At least $50 billion dollars annually is spent providing critical AND primary care for uninsured people...

    ...a big portion of whom make over $50,000 per year and thus should be able to afford coverage.

    It's past time for the uninsured to ante up as best they can.  Personal responsibility.

     

     

     



    $50 billion is a lot cheaper than Obamacare.  I'll go for that deal instead.

     

     
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    $50 billion is a lot cheaper than Obamacare.  I'll go for that deal instead.

     



    So, you're all for entitlements now?

    My, how the worm turns...

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    In response to doozy-day's comment:

    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........



    So, what's your point?

     

     
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    Here are the worst of the Obamacare lies:

    Obamacare Lie: “[N]o matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.”

    Good luck with that. An alarming one-third of America’s doctors are planning to retire this decade, and the rate has accelerated in the Obamacare age. What’s more, with the ever-decreasing reimbursement for doctors’ services, an increasing number of physicians face the grim reality that if they want to keep their doors open, they have to avoid Medicare and Medicaid. It’s difficult to stay in business when the government is your partner. In the end, you cannot keep your doctor if your doctor cannot keep his practice.

    Obamacare Lie: “If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

    Tell that to the 7 million Americans who, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), will lose their employer-based health insurance as a direct consequence of Obamacare. Perverse financial incentives in the law actually reward companies that drop health coverage for their employees and force them into government exchanges or Medicaid.

    Obamacare Lie: Obamacare will “cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”

    The so-called “Affordable Care Act” is neither affordable, nor do Democrats care. Administration officials now admit President Obama “misspoke” when he claimed — repeatedly — that his law would reduce your insurance costs by $2,500 a year. The Internal Revenue Service estimates that the least expensive of the government-sanctioned health plans will cost the average family of four $20,000 a year, an increase of more than $4,000 from before Obamacare. Insurance companies are less optimistic and warn Americans to brace for “rate shock” where premiums could double.

    Obamacare Lie: “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital-gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

    Obamacare is the inception of bad laws, with tax hikes embedded within larger tax hikes. The law contains 20 new or increased taxes on everything from tanning salons to MRI machines, each of which gives lie to the president’s empty promise. It’s worse, though. According to the Supreme Court, the Obamacare individual mandate, the linchpin of the law, is itself a tax and therefore, despite his promise, Mr. Obama is a court-certified tax raiser.

    Obamacare Lie: Obamacare “will create 4 million jobs — 400,000 almost immediately.”

    Three years after former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made this wild claim, the real unemployment rate remains at a disheartening 14.3 percent. Initially, the CBO estimated that Obamacare would destroy 800,000 jobs, but this will barely scratch the surface. Perverse financial incentives will actually reward companies for reducing their workforces while burdensome new taxes and regulations encourage shipping jobs overseas.

    Obamacare Lie: “I have no problem with folks saying ‘Obama cares.’ I do care.”

    No, he doesn’t. No one who cares about you would lie to you so brazenly. No one who cares about your health, your finances or your job would jeopardize them all. No one who cares about you would peddle these empty promises, these lies.

    Our general sense of civility compels us to avoid that word: lie. We hide behind gentle euphemisms pretending as though falsehoods are somehow innocently misspoken. Make no mistake, when politicians make false statements with the intent to deceive you, these must be called exactly what they are: lies.

    The foundation of Obamacare, the justification for fundamentally remaking America along socialist lines, is a framework of undeniable lies. To call them anything less is not only a betrayal of truth, it is a betrayal of America itself.



    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/happy-birthday-obamacare/#ixzz2OlgRDf6I
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    At least $50 billion dollars annually is spent providing critical AND primary care for uninsured people...

    ...a big portion of whom make over $50,000 per year and thus should be able to afford coverage.

    It's past time for the uninsured to ante up as best they can.  Personal responsibility.

     

     

     




     

    Why is it that personal responsibility matters here but it doesn't with people that are also costing the rest of us money?

    What about single parents having a bunch of kids on public assistance? What about their responsibility?

    What about parents who waste their money on useless shiite and then come to the taxpayer for a handout for insurance so they can still buy their usless shiite?

    What about banks who come to us for a $trillion bail out instead of being allowed to go out of business, what abou thtier responisibility? WHy haven't those fraudsters been prosecuted by your beloved President??

    To listen to a liberal talk about being responsible is like talking to a priest about marriage. 



    The one point about responsibility does not preclude the others.  Everyone needs a hand at least once in their lives.  Character means paying it back, but asking for it is not a LACK of character.

    Your examples seem a bit arbitrary, at best.

    Every situation is different, but you should know that.  Good government means that it is supposed to be the line of last resort, the one institution that stands while everything else falls.

    The health care and health insurance industries have failed to meet even the basic medical needs of a huge number of americans.  Someone has to step in and stick up for them.

     

     

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

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    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........

     



     

    So, what's your point?

     



    She is realizing that she can't afford to get involved in the workforce, isn't that great?

    She wants to live at home until she's 26 and can stay on my HMO.

    I thought you were smart?

     
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    In response to doozy-day's comment:

    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........


    she doesn't need to go to school - she can be under your insurance until 26 - even if she doesn't live with you

     
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    At least $50 billion dollars annually is spent providing critical AND primary care for uninsured people...

    ...a big portion of whom make over $50,000 per year and thus should be able to afford coverage.

    It's past time for the uninsured to ante up as best they can.  Personal responsibility.

     

     

     




     

    Why is it that personal responsibility matters here but it doesn't with people that are also costing the rest of us money?

    What about single parents having a bunch of kids on public assistance? What about their responsibility?

    What about parents who waste their money on useless shiite and then come to the taxpayer for a handout for insurance so they can still buy their usless shiite?

    What about banks who come to us for a $trillion bail out instead of being allowed to go out of business, what abou thtier responisibility? WHy haven't those fraudsters been prosecuted by your beloved President??

    To listen to a liberal talk about being responsible is like talking to a priest about marriage. 

     



    The one point about responsibility does not preclude the others.  Everyone needs a hand at least once in their lives.  Character means paying it back, but asking for it is not a LACK of character.

     

    Your examples seem a bit arbitrary, at best.

    Every situation is different, but you should know that.  Good government means that it is supposed to be the line of last resort, the one institution that stands while everything else falls.

    The health care and health insurance industries have failed to meet even the basic medical needs of a huge number of americans.  Someone has to step in and stick up for them.

     

     

     



    THat's what I mean - talking to a liberal about responsibility is like talking to a priest about marriage.

     

    Why is it up to the government and the health insurer to go find louts that do not want to take care of themselves?

    I thought you were talking about responsibility? How soon you revert to form.



    Because the alternative is letting these louts go uninsured until they show up at an ER - they get treated and the hospital never gets re-imbursed, so it goes into general health cre costs, which makes everybody's premiums rise.

     

     
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    In response to doozy-day's comment:

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    In response to doozy-day's comment:

     

    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........

     



     

    So, what's your point?

     

     



    She is realizing that she can't afford to get involved in the workforce, isn't that great?

     

    She wants to live at home until she's 26 and can stay on my HMO.

    I thought you were smart?




    Thank God for your guidance.  Our young people have to know the dangers that face them in Obama's America.  On any given day, you step out the door, there's an 80% chance an illegal alien will confiscate your gun and force you to get gay married in Benghazi.

    Where's tacobreath to remind us how liberals are low-information voters?

     

     
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    In response to doozy-day's comment:

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    In response to doozy-day's comment:

     

    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........

     



     

    So, what's your point?

     

     



    She is realizing that she can't afford to get involved in the workforce, isn't that great?

     

    She wants to live at home until she's 26 and can stay on my HMO.

    I thought you were smart?



    Your obtuse post and puerile insult aside...

    ...that's too bad she doesn't have the basics of independence down, even at 21 and with a college degree.

     

    But I'm 'smart' enough to have raised a daughter who, at 22, has been out of the house since graduating high school (like me) and now works in software out on the west coast and doing well.  She's too busy making money for grad school.

     

    But hey, if your daughter wants to live at home and sponge off you, that's your prerogative.

     

     

     
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    In response to Newtster's comment:

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    At least $50 billion dollars annually is spent providing critical AND primary care for uninsured people...

    ...a big portion of whom make over $50,000 per year and thus should be able to afford coverage.

    It's past time for the uninsured to ante up as best they can.  Personal responsibility.

     

     

     




     

    Why is it that personal responsibility matters here but it doesn't with people that are also costing the rest of us money?

    What about single parents having a bunch of kids on public assistance? What about their responsibility?

    What about parents who waste their money on useless shiite and then come to the taxpayer for a handout for insurance so they can still buy their usless shiite?

    What about banks who come to us for a $trillion bail out instead of being allowed to go out of business, what abou thtier responisibility? WHy haven't those fraudsters been prosecuted by your beloved President??

    To listen to a liberal talk about being responsible is like talking to a priest about marriage. 

     



    The one point about responsibility does not preclude the others.  Everyone needs a hand at least once in their lives.  Character means paying it back, but asking for it is not a LACK of character.

     

    Your examples seem a bit arbitrary, at best.

    Every situation is different, but you should know that.  Good government means that it is supposed to be the line of last resort, the one institution that stands while everything else falls.

    The health care and health insurance industries have failed to meet even the basic medical needs of a huge number of americans.  Someone has to step in and stick up for them.

     

     

     



    THat's what I mean - talking to a liberal about responsibility is like talking to a priest about marriage.

     

    Why is it up to the government and the health insurer to go find louts that do not want to take care of themselves?

    I thought you were talking about responsibility? How soon you revert to form.




    In a nutshell - because you're dense - it is a civilized society's responsibility to try and heal the sick, feed the hungry and shelter the homeless.

    When society (including business) is not up to the task, the government picks up the slack.

    This is basic stuff.  Our country was partly built on it.

    If you can't understand these fundamental precepts, then I can't help you.

     

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

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    My 21 yr old daughter is about to graduate college this year, I sat down with her last week to help her with a budget, etc, for if and when she gets her own appartment.

    We started talking about expenses, car payment, car insurance, groceries, rent, cable, phone bills, and I could see that she was getting a little overwhelmed.

    I then brought up health insurance, and tried to tell her how important it is top have your employer provide health insurance.  Then I started to explain Obama-Care......

    She is now looking into grad school until she turns 26........

     



     

    So, what's your point?

     

     



    She is realizing that she can't afford to get involved in the workforce, isn't that great?

     

    She wants to live at home until she's 26 and can stay on my HMO.

    I thought you were smart?

     



    Your obtuse post and puerile insult aside...

     

    ...that's too bad she doesn't have the basics of independence down, even at 21 and with a college degree.

     

    But I'm 'smart' enough to have raised a daughter who, at 22, has been out of the house since graduating high school (like me) and now works in software out on the west coast and doing well.  She's too busy making money for grad school.

     

    But hey, if your daughter wants to live at home and sponge off you, that's your prerogative.

     

     



    Was she "sponging" off him when she was in college? If she remains in school and works then how's that "sponging"?

     

     
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    $50 billion is a lot cheaper than Obamacare.  I'll go for that deal instead.

     

     



    So, you're all for entitlements now?

     

    My, how the worm turns...

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    No.  Just making a point.  I think that is obvious, isn't it?

    OK, I know you might not get it.  Leaving aside everythign else:  The supposed big reason we are doing this it to help the uninsured.  The ACA costs WAY MORE than 50 billion. so, why not just keep what we have, as it is cheaper?

    That's the point.  Oh, and there is no healthcare crisis outside of that which government has created.

     

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