Spot On Mr. "O"

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    Spot On Mr. "O"

    Below was from last night, felt it was well thought out. If didn't see his Talking Point opener, I think it's worth the read and spot on about the African American community today.

    On Friday, the President delivered surprise remarks to the press about the Trayvon Martin case and race in general. His main point: a plea for understanding.

     

    OBAMA: There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store, that includes me. I don't want to exaggerate this but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida.

     

    O'REILLY: And that's true. Many black Americans harbor at least some resentment for past injury. But what President Obama surely knows is that you cannot reach a fair criminal verdict or design effective public policy that solves present problems by dwelling on the sins of the past. "Talking Points" believes the President was correct in addressing the race issue and framing it with the Martin case. He's the leader of America and the country is talking about this.

    By the way, when you hear a pundit or politician saying we should have a quote, "conversation" about race, that means you are in for a sea of bloviating which will likely lead nowhere.

    The sad truth is that from the President on down, our leadership has no clue, no clue at all about how to solve problems within the black community. And many are frightened to even broach the issue. That's because race hustlers and the grievance industry have intimidated the so- called "conversation," turning any valid criticism of African-American culture into charges of racial bias.

    So many in power simply walk away leaving millions of law abiding African-Americans to pretty much fend for themselves in violent neighborhoods. You want racism? That's racism.

    Thus, it is time for some straight talk, and I hope the President is listening tonight because we need him to lead on this issue.

    Trayvon Martin was killed because circumstances got out of control. He was scrutinized by a neighborhood watchman, George Zimmerman, because of the way he looked. Not necessarily his skin color, there is no evidence of that but because he was a stranger to Zimmerman and was dressed in clothing sometimes used by street criminals.

    It was wrong for Zimmerman to confront Martin based on his appearance. But the culture that we have in this country does lead to criminal profiling because young black American men are so often involved in crime, the statistics overwhelming.

    But here is the headline: young black men commit homicides at a rate 10 times greater than whites and Hispanics combined. When presented with damning evidence like that, and like the mini-holocaust in Chicago where hundreds of African-Americans are murdered each year the civil rights industry looks the other way or makes excuses. They blame guns, poor education, lack of jobs, rarely do they define the problem accurately. So here it is. The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the black precincts is the disintegration of the African-American family.

    Right now about 73 percent of all black babies are born out of wedlock. That drives poverty. And the lack of involved fathers leads to young boys growing up resentful and unsupervised. When was the last time you saw a public service ad telling young black girls to avoid becoming pregnant? Has President Obama done such an ad? How about Jackson or Sharpton? Has the Congressional Black Caucus demanded an ad like that? How about the PC pundits who work for NBC News?

    White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically. So raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that; again, it is a personal decision.

    But the entertainment industry encourages the irresponsibility by marketing a gangster culture, hip hop, movies, trashy TV shows to impressionable children. In fact, President Obama has welcomed some of the worst offenders in that cesspool to the White House when he should be condemning what these weasels are doing. These so-called entertainers get rich while the kids who emulate their lyrics and attitude destroy themselves.

    And then there is the drug situation. Go to Detroit and ask anyone living on the south side of the eight-mile road what destroyed their city? They will tell you narcotics. They know addiction leads to crime and debasement. But what do the race hustlers and limousine liberals yell about? The number of black men in prison for selling drugs. Oh, it's so unfair. It's a nonviolent crime and blacks are targeted. That is one of the biggest lies in the history of this country.

    The thugs who sell hard drugs, no matter what color they are, deserve to be put away for long periods of time. They sell poison, they sell a product that enslaves and kills. They are scum.

    When was the last time you heard the Congressional Black Caucus say that? How about Jackson and Sharpton? How about President Obama?

    The solution to the epidemic of violent crime in poor black neighborhoods is to actively discourage pregnancies out of marriage, to impose strict discipline in the public schools, including mandatory student uniforms, and to create a zero tolerance policy for gun and drug crimes imposing harsh mandatory prison time on the offenders.

    And finally, challenging the entertainment industry to stop peddling garbage. Hey listen up you greed heads, if a kid can't speak proper English, uses the "f" word in every sentence, it's disgraceful, it's disrespectful -- it's disrespectful in his or her manner. That child will never, never be able to compete in the marketplace of America... never. And it has nothing to do with slavery. It has everything to do with you Hollywood people and you derelict parents. You're the ones hurting these vulnerable children.

    You want a conversation, you got it. You want a better situation for blacks, give them a chance to revive their neighborhoods and culture. Work with the good people to stop the bad people. Pumping money into the chaos does little. You can't legislate good parenting or responsible entertainment. But you can fight against the madness, with discipline, a firm message and little tolerance for excuse-making.

    It is now time for the African-American leadership, including President Obama to stop the nonsense. Walk away from the world of victimization and grievance and lead the way out of this mess.

     
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    Oreilly saying it does little.

    If, Jackson, Sgarpton and most importantly Obama would stand up and say it, it would throw the race grievance industry back on it's heels!

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

    Oreilly saying it does little.

    If, Jackson, Sgarpton and most importantly Obama would stand up and say it, it would throw the race grievance industry back on it's heels!




    Couldn't agree more, that's what he's pointing out. At least someone said it.

     
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    the only people who have ever followed privileged little obama around are the secret service.

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to newman09's comment:

     

     to create a zero tolerance policy for gun and drug crimes imposing harsh mandatory prison time on the offenders.

     



    We already tried tough mandatory sentences. It only made things worse. Even judges hate them.

     

     

     

    Demanding tougher mandatory sentences is the kind of thing that dishonest blow-hards say as loudly as possible to puff themselves up on their own sense of moral superiority and self-righteousness.

    Or, tell me again how putting someone in federal prison for 10 years increases their future lawful employment opportunities.



    What you propose is the opposite..?

    Let's pay them not to commit crimes.

    What has the countrys first president of color done for 'his people',

    Arrest rates for blacks run 10 times that of whites.

    76% of black births are to single parents.

    Where are the jobs? .. and I don't meant the gimme kind.

    Has education fallen through the floor?

     

    Is this a cultural demise? Implosion? Erosion ?

     

    Why didn't we have this problem with 2 terms of King George.

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

    Oreilly saying it does little.

    If, Jackson, Sgarpton and most importantly Obama would stand up and say it, it would throw the race grievance industry back on it's heels!




    Jackson said it, and got applause.  Juan Williams said it and was fired.  Who's got the problem again?

     
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    I'm so sick and tired of white people whining about race.  Obama says that he personally has been followed in a store, and people bring up the black crime rate, like somehow it's Obama the citizens fault.  So a black kid shop lifted, therefore men like Obama are supposed be ok with being followed?  blacks were breaking into apartments, so somehow that diminishes Trayvon Martins death?  Obama is in no way responsible for crimes commitment by another person regardless of their color.  Jews aren't expected to bear the sin of Bernie Madoff.  whites aren't expected to bear the sin of the shooter in Aurora, Co.  The Irish aren't expected to bear the sins of Whitey.  But somehow law abiding blacks are supposed to accept racial profiling because some black guy they don't know is a criminal.  

    And when say something about it, the response ranges from, "get over it" to some insinuation that they are to blame because they haven't done enough to lower the black crime rate.  

    the only people responsible for the black crime rate are black criminals.  Law abiding blacks are as much to blame as law abiding whites.  Law abiding blacks are expected to accept different treatment because others with same skin color has done something wrong.

    now, it's only normal to suspect a black kid to be a potential burglar in area that's been hit with a lot of burglaries committed by a black burglar.  But it's also normal for an innocent black kid to be angry for being suspected of being a burglar.  

    Christ - try having a little sensitivity.  

     

     
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    "White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically. So raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that; again, it is a personal decision."

    is it that hard to see racism in this paragraph?  It's a personal decision yet BLACK people have babies out of wedlock.  Not all blacks have babies out of wedlock. so, to a black family that is working hard to raise their children correctly, such a statement might be just a little insulting.

    and as far as the entertainment industry goes, it's all owned by white people.  The gun manufacturers are all owned by white people.  clothing manufacturers - white people.  Liquor producers - white people.

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    "White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically. So raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that; again, it is a personal decision."

    is it that hard to see racism in this paragraph?  




    Naaaa.  Racism is extremely rare these days.  Some would say its like spotting Bigfoot.

     

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    I'm so sick and tired of white people whining about race.  Obama says that he personally has been followed in a store, and people bring up the black crime rate, like somehow it's Obama the citizens fault.  So a black kid shop lifted, therefore men like Obama are supposed be ok with being followed?  blacks were breaking into apartments, so somehow that diminishes Trayvon Martins death?  Obama is in no way responsible for crimes commitment by another person regardless of their color.  Jews aren't expected to bear the sin of Bernie Madoff.  whites aren't expected to bear the sin of the shooter in Aurora, Co.  The Irish aren't expected to bear the sins of Whitey.  But somehow law abiding blacks are supposed to accept racial profiling because some black guy they don't know is a criminal.  

    And when say something about it, the response ranges from, "get over it" to some insinuation that they are to blame because they haven't done enough to lower the black crime rate.  

    the only people responsible for the black crime rate are black criminals.  Law abiding blacks are as much to blame as law abiding whites.  Law abiding blacks are expected to accept different treatment because others with same skin color has done something wrong.

    now, it's only normal to suspect a black kid to be a potential burglar in area that's been hit with a lot of burglaries committed by a black burglar.  But it's also normal for an innocent black kid to be angry for being suspected of being a burglar.  

    Christ - try having a little sensitivity.  

     



    Asked to have a conversation on race, you pivot to demaning white people be silent and show sensitivity

    Nice strategy. 

    People, black or white, who sit in the comfortable bed of past grievances, do themselves a disservice.  The black community is in crisis.  Clinging to gansta music, acting out, 73% out of wedlock birth, all doing the community harm.  Leaders not focusing on that, but instead focusing on trumped up racisim charges against Zimmerman, linking it to past grievances, do black people a diservice.

     
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    Comment by WDYWN

    "Or, tell me again how putting someone in federal prison for 10 years increases their future lawful employment opportunities."

     

    Tell me again how committing drug crimes without consequences increases their future lawful employment opportunities.

     
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    The American black cuture is imploding for lack of any leadership or personal responsibility.

     

    It must be so easy to blame whitey.  

     
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    O'Reilly's points are largely correct, but when he says that the people from the President on down have no clue how to deal with it, he is wrong, the symptoms he has described have all been tackled by Obama, and to such an extent that a furious Jesse Jackson was caught on a hot mic (on Fox News) deriding the then candidate Obama for his remarks to Blacks, about Blacks.  Obama specifically called for black men to show responsibility and be accountable when they have children, he called them out for leaving their children to fend for themselves.  None of this is new or news, the question is what can government do about it?  Government can't legislate accountability or morality and when the fact is there are a lot of at risk youth ALREADY here government must move to implement policies that can undermiine the impulse to fall into the trap of criminality and by doing so mitigate some of the realities that exist in our worst cities.  All we have been doing is cutting funding, slashing programs, and taking away the opportunities that young people will embrace if they are available.  

    But when O'Reilly talks about solutions like discouraging teen pregnancy that is done best with candor about sexual education and promoting safe sex, not abstinence only education which has been shown to be ineffective.  Why is there not a consensus on that?  Wanna disrupt the drug trade?  Then scrap the current "war on drugs" model, it doesn't work, it never has worked.  Its easy to grab up street dealers, but working to disrupt the source is plainly common sense and the US has never done a good job of that, instead relying on throwing the lowest level people in jail and patting themselves on the back for a job well done.  

    The communities with the biggest crime are often the ones most understaffed by law enforcement.  Tales abound of slow police responses in bad neighborhoods and the trust between the community and law enforcement needs to be repaired.  More police walking beats, not just driving in cars, local kiosk type precincts where officers can get familiar with the neighborhoods and work direct with community leaders, schools, churches, and other organizations would do more to repair the image that both the black communites and law enforcement have of one another.  To take back the streets you have to have good people on the streets working in a coordinated manner being proactive not just reactive and to do that you can't just add more patrols.  Police in cars can't integrate themselves into the neighborhoods they are protecting.  

    I am all for school uniforms and would take O'Reilly's suggestion further and ask for a year round school calendar (with appropriate vacation time during the year, of course).  Not just as way to deterring crime but to help all of our students bridge the gap that is growing between them and students from other countries.  To that end there has to be a better balance when it comes to perfomance standards for teachers and adminstrators, if we can agree on more stringent requirements I would gladly support increased pay and incentives to attract good talent to the teaching profession.  We rely on importing talented workers because we don't have enough to fill the demand for a our knowledge based economy. Strict discipline in schools is a no brainer, but some of the zero tolerance policies are ridiculous and the way to go around that is to reform laws that allow people to sue public schools.  Do that and the PUSH BACK on parents, make parent teacher meetings mandatory, make signed homework mandatory, and if parents don't abide those guidelines then go after them (of their benefits if they receive government assistance).  Make them have skin in the game and get the schools out of the babysitting business.  We have a number of tools available to solve these problems, and O'Reilly is right about one more thing, we lack the fortitude to stare the problem down and deal with it pragmatically and effectively for a number of reasons, and not just because the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons have poisoned the well, that is adsurdly reductive and a lie.  There are more community leaders and people of substance out there who can't get on network news, who toil anonomously in an attempt to build up their communities, they should be identified and promoted and if their approach works then apply it elsewhere.  Simple stuff that continues to allude us as a country because EVERYONE would rather point the finger and be angry.  

     
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    "It's a personal decision yet BLACK people have babies out of wedlock.  Not all blacks have babies out of wedlock. so, to a black family that is working hard to raise their children correctly, such a statement might be just a little insulting."

    So you say we need to treat people as individuals and not focus at all on their race, OK, good...

    "..and as far as the entertainment industry goes, it's all owned by white people.  The gun manufacturers are all owned by white people.  clothing manufacturers - white people.  Liquor producers - white people."

    Didnt take long for you to dispense with that idea.....

    (73 percent of black children are born outside of marriage, 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent Hispanic...each made an individual decision...but why the disparity?)

     
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    The President brought race to the forefront before the trial started.  Zimmerman owes him a dinner

     
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    Anyone recall 5 years ago when the president wanted to speak to students in our public schools via closed circuit television and encourage them to stay in school, study hard, and go to college. The reaction by the far right was as if Stalin himself had come back from the dead and was going to read The Communist Manifesto. Some parents were asking to opt out and keep their children home that day.  Try governing a country like that.

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    "White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically. So raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that; again, it is a personal decision."

    is it that hard to see racism in this paragraph?  It's a personal decision yet BLACK people have babies out of wedlock.  Not all blacks have babies out of wedlock. so, to a black family that is working hard to raise their children correctly, such a statement might be just a little insulting.

    and as far as the entertainment industry goes, it's all owned by white people.  The gun manufacturers are all owned by white people.  clothing manufacturers - white people.  Liquor producers - white people.




    Of course not ALL young black women are having babies out of wedlock, but the 73 % statistic is overwhelming...much greater than any other race. That's the glaring statistic, stop making everything into a blanket statement, all was never said.

     
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    "None of this is new or news, the question is what can government do about it?  Government can't legislate accountability or morality and when the fact is there are a lot of at risk youth ALREADY here government must move to implement policies that can undermiine the impulse to fall into the trap of criminality and by doing so mitigate some of the realities that exist in our worst cities.  All we have been doing is cutting funding, slashing programs, and taking away the opportunities that young people will embrace if they are available. "

    First, do no harm. Liberal government policies implemented in the inner cities have led to disastrous results.
    "Slashing" programs? There have been endless funding of liberal programs, the problem is , they are successful in hiring thousands of white liberal social workers on the public payroll. If they actually helped people out of poverty, they would be out of a job!
    The Clinton-Gingrich welfare reform of 1996 was the most successful reform, and benefitted the poor by encouraging work ethic and movement toward changing behaviors, not just handouts and a condescending liberal attitude that "you are poor and will remain poor because of racism..."

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:

    Anyone recall 5 years ago when the president wanted to speak to students in our public schools via closed circuit television and encourage them to stay in school, study hard, and go to college. The reaction by the far right was as if Stalin himself had come back from the dead and was going to read The Communist Manifesto. Some parents were asking to opt out and keep their children home that day.  Try governing a country like that.



    Key words being 'FAR RIGHT'....the far Right is hardly a majority in this country. In other words it shouldn't be used as an excuse in regards to trying to govern this country. 

     

     
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    There are at least 80 far right pols in the House of Reps and their ability to affect legislation is a huge issue as far as governing the country is concerned.  

     
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    I feel the big picture is being over looked here. What's being brought up are more policies or old policies that did not work. Policies are not going to correct what needs to be done, and turn around these overwhelming statistics. It has to come from within the community it's self. There has to be a leader or a movement for change. Jackson, Sharpton and others like them are not the answer, they make their money fueling the current system if you will. 

     

     
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    I feel the big picture is being over looked here. What's being brought up are more policies or old policies that did not work. Policies are not going to correct what needs to be done, and turn around these overwhelming statistics. It has to come from within the community it's self. There has to be a leader or a movement for change. Jackson, Sharpton and others like them are not the answer, they make their money fueling the current system if you will. 

     



    As Americans, are we not all part of this "community"?  Or do some of us (like Bill OReilly) just get to sit back and malign an entire race with not-so-subtle hints that something is lacking in their character.  O'Reilly belongs in the same category as Jackson and Sharpton.....making money fueling the current system.

     

     
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    I feel the big picture is being over looked here. What's being brought up are more policies or old policies that did not work. Policies are not going to correct what needs to be done, and turn around these overwhelming statistics. It has to come from within the community it's self. There has to be a leader or a movement for change. Jackson, Sharpton and others like them are not the answer, they make their money fueling the current system if you will. 

     

     



    As Americans, are we not all part of this "community"?  Or do some of us (like Bill OReilly) just get to sit back and malign an entire race with not-so-subtle hints that something is lacking in their character.  O'Reilly belongs in the same category as Jackson and Sharpton.....making money fueling the current system.

     

     




    Wrong...If there were fundamental changes in the black community, Sharpton and Jackson would be looked at as dinosaurs, old school. Change or no change O'Reilly will be just fine. Comparing the two is apples and pickup trucks. 

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:

    Anyone recall 5 years ago when the president wanted to speak to students in our public schools via closed circuit television and encourage them to stay in school, study hard, and go to college. The reaction by the far right was as if Stalin himself had come back from the dead and was going to read The Communist Manifesto. Some parents were asking to opt out and keep their children home that day.  Try governing a country like that.



    Yes, I do.  And that was probably a good thing.

    However, Obama wants it both ways.  He wants to get on record demanding some tough love, then he wants to use his incredible influence to stir up people about race and stand your ground laws using a case which has neither as a component.

    It is time for the black community to put their right foot forward, instead of falling on their backs and screaming about past injustices.

     
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