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    State Controlled Media

    The refusal by ABC and NBC to run a national ad critical of President Obama's health care reform plan is raising questions from the group behind the spot -- particularly in light of ABC's health care special aired in prime time last June and hosted at the White House.

    The 33-second ad by the League of American Voters, which features a neurosurgeon who warns that a government-run health care system will lead to the rationing of procedures and medicine, began airing two weeks ago on local affiliates of ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS. On a national level, however, ABC and NBC have refused to run the spot in its present form.

    "It's a powerful ad," said Bob Adams, executive director of the League of American Voters, a national nonprofit group with 15,000 members who advocate individual liberty and government accountability. "It tells the truth and it really highlights one of the biggest vulnerabilities and problems with this proposed legislation, which is it rations health care and disproportionately will decimate the quality of health care for seniors."

    Adams said the advertisement is running on local network affiliates in states like Louisiana, Arkansas, Maine and Pennsylvania. But although CBS has approved the ad for national distribution and talks are ongoing with FOX, NBC has questioned some of the ad's facts while ABC has labeled it "partisan."

    "The ABC Television Network has a long-standing policy that we do not sell time for advertising that presents a partisan position on a controversial public issue," spokeswoman Susan Sewell said in a written statement. "Just to be clear, this is a policy for the entire network, not just ABC News."

    NBC, meanwhile, said it has not turned down the ad and will reconsider it with some revisions.

    "We have not rejected the ad," spokeswoman Liz Fischer told FOXNews.com. "We have communicated with the media agency about some factual claims that require additional substantiation. As always, we are happy to reconsider the ad once these issues are addressed."

    Adams objects to ABC's assertion that his group's position is partisan.

    "It's a position that we would argue a vast majority of Americans stand behind," he said. "Obviously, it's a message that ABC and the Obama administration haven't received yet."

    Dick Morris, a FOX News political analyst and the League of American Voters' chief strategist, conceptualized the advertisement and said its purpose was to "refocus" the debate on health care reform.

    "I feel the whole debate on health care reform needed to be refocused on the issue of Medicare," he told FOXNews.com. "Most of the debate had been on issues of socialized medicine and cost. I felt that the impact of the legislation in cutting the Medicare program and enforcing rationing needed to be addressed."

    Morris, a onetime advisor to former President Bill Clinton, said he was particularly troubled by ABC's decision not to air the spot.

    "It's the ultimate act of chutzpah because ABC is the network that turned itself over completely to Obama for a daylong propaganda fest about health care reform," he said. "For them to be pious and say they will not accept advertising on health care shuts their viewers out from any possible understanding of both sides of this issue."

     
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    the ad makes the assumption that all 50 million people will seek out healthcare at the same time, and i thought you guys have been arguing that it is in fact no where near 50 million uninsured americans? which one is it?
     
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    Not really surprised at this. These media outlets don't want to run anything negative to what the president wants. Since Obama has these outlets at his disposal, he can try to turn the conversation on an issue just about any way he wants to. However, the question really is, how much does he and his minions want to control in this country?


    2010 elections - the most important election to date. Let's vote the Democrats out of office for ruining the country.

     
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    [QUOTE]the ad makes the assumption that all 50 million people will seek out healthcare at the same time, and i thought you guys have been arguing that it is in fact no where near 50 million uninsured americans? which one is it?
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]

    They're using the number they've been given by the Left. It's called politics. Don't want the number used then stop quoting it. Simple solutions really.
     
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    THe league of American Voters is hardly a credible source of anything.  This health care rationing talk is just another talking point, much like the death panels were last week. 
    This has already been refuted many times.

    What you morons neglect to understand is that healthcare is already rationed by insurance companies.

    The League of American Voters (LAV) is a Washington, D.C.- based 501(c)4 organization that raises money to run anti-health care reform television advertisements written by Dick Morris in key swing states. The organization's Web page says it opposes President Obama's efforts to reform the American health-care system "and other forms of socialism." It refers to regulation of the health care system as a "government takeover."

    The organization's Web site contains photos of 26 unidentified people of all ages and races on the home page, which gives an impression of a widespread and diverse membership. The site seeks monetary donations and provides a way to donate via credit card, but gives no telephone number or email address and does not list its funders. The League of American Voters is not listed in Guidestar, a widely-used database of information on nonprofits. LAV solicits donations to run further anti-health care reform ads, and adds offers to send donors who give $250 or more an autographed copy of Dick Morris' most recent book, "Catastrophe," which is critical of the Obama administration.

    Dick Morris is a classy guy you likes to frequent D.C. Prostitutes.      Real credible guy.

     
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    [QUOTE]What you morons neglect to understand is that healthcare is already rationed by insurance companies.
    Posted by Ltown1[/QUOTE]

    Really? How so? I need an MRI I get it done today. I need a non-emergent hernia operation I'm in within a week. My Dad needed radiation for cancer treatment he got it the NEXT day. He needed to be admitted to hospice and within a day he was in. What kind of rationing are you talking about?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : Really? How so? I need an MRI I get it done today. I need a non-emergent hernia operation I'm in within a week. My Dad needed radiation for cancer treatment he got it the NEXT day. He needed to be admitted to hospice and within a day he was in. What kind of rationing are you talking about?
    Posted by dexter67[/QUOTE]

    Pre-Existing conditions. 


    Go read the language of this group.  It's fully of inflamatory fear mongering.  It talks about socialism and government takeovers.   Give me a break.

    If anyone had real criticism about healthcare then why do you feel the need to use such disengenuous and misleading attacks?    Have a real debate, drop the nonsense.

    Once again,  this BS is the reason the Republican party is losing power.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : Pre-Existing conditions.  Go read the language of this group.  It's fully of inflamatory fear mongering.  It talks about socialism and government takeovers.   Give me a break. If anyone had real criticism about healthcare then why do you feel the need to use such disengenuous and misleading attacks?    Have a real debate, drop the nonsense. Once again,  this BS is the reason the Republican party is losing power.
    Posted by Ltown1[/QUOTE]

    What the fcuk are you talking about? Are you drunk?

    You stated we currently have rationing and I asked you to back that claim up. and you state "Pre-Existing Conditions"??? Do you even know what 'rationing' means???
    Rationing has to do more with supply and demand. Too many covered for the number of docs/hospitals available. Has nothing to do with "pre-existing conditions". You're regurgitating bogus talking points yet again.
     
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    Rationing by your definition is supply and demand?   Too many covered for the nubmer of doctors available?   

    You're not even making sense.

    I was referring to the way health insurance companies decide what and how much care I am going to get.  If I don't meet their conditions I'm excluded or my costs go way up or my coverage gets capped.

    Right now we're at their will.  The public option makes these greedy companies provide proper coverage because they will have to compete with a publically run insurance provider will will cover everything with no conditions.

    Private insurers won't go out of business, they'll just have to change their business model and reduce prices FOR YOU.  And it's not socialism if the public option is only a public OPTION that competes in a FREE MARKET.  

    I'll repeat that part.  

    It's not socialism if the public option has to compete with private companies within a FREE MARKET.


    Doctors don't have to accept the public option.  Private insurers will still exist. 

    If it turns out our current capacity for health care get full, then create incentive for more doctors. Forgive student loans for medical school, whatever you have to do.  Either way, telling people they won't be able to get seen by a doctor if health care reform is passed is just ridiculous.  

    The status quo is unacceptable.  It's stifling our economy and our recovery from our current recession.  If it's costs continue to rise at the rate they have been for the past 5 years, NOBODY WILL HAVE COVERAGE, because nobody but the exceptionally rich will be able to afford it. 

    Spreading fear with more exaggerations and lies isn't helping anyone but the insurance providers who don't want the public option because it will cut into their profits.

    I can't tell if you willingly spread these lies or if you actually believe this rhetoric.
     
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    Oh my good god you are retarded.

    Here is what you wrote:
    "What you morons neglect to understand is that healthcare is already rationed by insurance companies."

    I asked you how so and you answer was "pre-existing conditions" and then you babbled on about something I didn't ask you about.
    Pre-existing conditions are NOT rationing. Rationing is supply and demand. When you have to ration something it means there's not enough to go around. Get it now??? Wow.

     
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    "It's not socialism if the public option has to compete with private companies within a FREE MARKET."

    I never said it was. Stop lumping me in with what others say. I've NEVER said a public option would be 'socialism'.

    What lies am I specifically spreading? Again, you seem to lump all people who aren't on your side of the debate together. Do you not have the ability to debate singularly? As in one on one???

    "Private insurers won't go out of business, they'll just have to change their business model and reduce prices FOR YOU."

    Actually that's not true. Think about it logically....oh wait nevermind...pretend to think about it logically. Not EVERY private insurer will be able to compete with a govt plan. The govt doesn't have to worry about making a profit to stay in business (see post office). Private companies DO have to make a profit to stay in business. Therefore there is only so low a private company can lower their premiums before they start to hemorrage money and go out of business.
     
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    [QUOTE]Rationing by your definition is supply and demand?   Too many covered for the nubmer of doctors available?    You're not even making sense. I was referring to the way health insurance companies decide what and how much care I am going to get.  If I don't meet their conditions I'm excluded or my costs go way up or my coverage gets capped. Right now we're at their will.  The public option makes these greedy companies provide proper coverage because they will have to compete with a publically run insurance provider will will cover everything with no conditions. Private insurers won't go out of business, they'll just have to change their business model and reduce prices FOR YOU.  And it's not socialism if the public option is only a public OPTION that competes in a FREE MARKET.   I'll repeat that part.   It's not socialism if the public option has to compete with private companies within a FREE MARKET. Doctors don't have to accept the public option.  Private insurers will still exist.  If it turns out our current capacity for health care get full, then create incentive for more doctors. Forgive student loans for medical school, whatever you have to do.  Either way, telling people they won't be able to get seen by a doctor if health care reform is passed is just ridiculous.   The status quo is unacceptable.  It's stifling our economy and our recovery from our current recession.  If it's costs continue to rise at the rate they have been for the past 5 years, NOBODY WILL HAVE COVERAGE, because nobody but the exceptionally rich will be able to afford it.  Spreading fear with more exaggerations and lies isn't helping anyone but the insurance providers who don't want the public option because it will cut into their profits. I can't tell if you willingly spread these lies or if you actually believe this rhetoric.
    Posted by Ltown1[/QUOTE]

    Please advise:

    1. You trust the government more than a competetive free market when it comes to 'tuck it to you' ?  I surely can't agree. They have zero experience in insurance or doing anything else correctly (profitably)
    2. How long do you think it will remain a free market?
    3. The public option (yeah right!) will pay doctors LESS. Won't doctors decline the not so generous rates offered by Bammy boy? Except the crappy ones.
    4.  I'm perfectly happy with the status quo.. I WORK and I have good benefits. I can understand why some (illegals and the welfare queens) welcome this.. shiny trinket.
    5. This bill IS fear mongering within itself. It's just a power play to get more control and voters. It would be completely naive to only see this at surface level.
    6. You get what you pay for.. except in this fraud.. I will pay for my insurance privately and will pay for this looney tune program through higher taxes to subsidize (what's the PC term?).. ahh less fortunate.

    Cheers
     
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    [QUOTE]Oh my good god you are retarded. Here is what you wrote: " What you morons neglect to understand is that healthcare is already rationed by insurance companies ." I asked you how so and you answer was "pre-existing conditions" and then you babbled on about something I didn't ask you about. Pre-existing conditions are NOT rationing. Rationing is supply and demand. When you have to ration something it means there's not enough to go around. Get it now??? Wow.
    Posted by dexter67[/QUOTE]

    You're wrong dexter, rationing means that you're going to distribure supply equally.   You ration it so everyone gets the same.    Supply doesn't have to be short in order for rationing to exist.  

    Either way it's moot because public health option won't create a situation where people can't see a doctor. 
    It's PROPAGHANDA being spread to defeat the bill.  

    It's simply not true.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : You're wrong dexter, rationing means that you're going to distribure supply equally.   You ration it so everyone gets the same.    Supply doesn't have to be short in order for rationing to exist.   Either way it's moot because public health option won't create a situation where people can't see a doctor.  It's PROPAGHANDA being spread to defeat the bill.   It's simply not true.
    Posted by Ltown1[/QUOTE]

    "Supply doesn't have to be short in order for rationing to exist." 

    True it doesn't HAVE to be. But it CAN cause rationing. Sheesh. The bottom-line is pre-exsiting conditions is NOT rationing. That's your propaganda

    And again....I'm not saying there will be rationing with a public option. never have. Never. Not sure why you keep harping on things I've never said. Let's stay focused on the person in which you are replyng to. Makes things MUCH easier
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : You're wrong dexter, rationing means that you're going to distribure supply equally.   You ration it so everyone gets the same.    Supply doesn't have to be short in order for rationing to exist.   Either way it's moot because public health option won't create a situation where people can't see a doctor.  It's PROPAGHANDA being spread to defeat the bill.   It's simply not true.
    Posted by Ltown1[/QUOTE]

    Let me 'splain it to you Lucy..

    We currently have X amount of services available.
    We have Y number of people with insurance and coverage

    Bammy boy wants to add 10s of millions to Y.

    Therefore the demand will increase on a fixed amount of resources meaning that people will wait longer, there will be fewer resources to spread around... a shortage.

    I .. assume you now have insurance.. and are paying for it?
     
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    The problem has been covered by a few news networks already. 

    The shortage lies within the field of general practicioners, family practicioners and primary care physicians.   We have plenty of specialists.  

    With so many insurance companies and types of coverage, a general practice doctor has to employ a team of administrators to handle the paperwork and the phone calls to the insurance companies working out how what is covered, faxing necessary paperwork and test results, etc. etc. etc.    It becomes an administrative nightmare and the additional staff cuts into your ability to run your office profitably. 

    We don't have a shortage of doctors, we have a shortage of primary care doctors.  That is one of the things the bills address, cutting back on the paperwork, streamlining processes.  

    IT's more fear mongering from the right.  

    By the way, you must have missed the memo,  there is a new talking point now. The Democrats are going to check voting records and deny coverage to Republicans.   GET ON THE BALL!!
     
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    "We don't have a shortage of doctors, we have a shortage of primary care doctors.  That is one of the things the bills address, cutting back on the paperwork, streamlining processes."

    The reason for the shortage of PCPs is not the paperwork. It's the pay. Specialists make much more money. I have an entire Powerpoint presentation on this from a meeting I was at about 5 months ago.

    "With so many insurance companies and types of coverage, a general practice doctor has to employ a team of administrators to handle the paperwork and the phone calls to the insurance companies working out how what is covered, faxing necessary paperwork and test results, etc. etc. etc.    It becomes an administrative nightmare and the additional staff cuts into your ability to run your office profitably.  "

    More rhetoric. My doctors office has 2 admins for 5 docs. So unless you consider 2 a "team" of administrators then I guess you're right. 
    And they're not on the phone all the time "working out how what is covered". More Left-wing talking points. The doctors offices know what's covered. Think about it logically...how much is being done at a doctors office? Usually pretty routine stuff for most part. If you're on an HMO and you need to see a specialist they have a bunch they know they can send you to. Nothing to check. Are there some things that need to be checked? Sure, but it ain't widespread like the Left makes it out to be. They also deal with insurers for when paperwork is messed up or referral never got through. Again, benign stuff but no less a pain to deal with. But that same stuff is going to happen with the public option too. Not going to be any better. Good luck getting help from a govt worker though...lol
     
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    [QUOTE]" We don't have a shortage of doctors, we have a shortage of primary care doctors.  That is one of the things the bills address, cutting back on the paperwork, streamlining processes. " The reason for the shortage of PCPs is not the paperwork. It's the pay. Specialists make much more money. I have an entire Powerpoint presentation on this from a meeting I was at about 5 months ago. " With so many insurance companies and types of coverage, a general practice doctor has to employ a team of administrators to handle the paperwork and the phone calls to the insurance companies working out how what is covered, faxing necessary paperwork and test results, etc. etc. etc.    It becomes an administrative nightmare and the additional staff cuts into your ability to run your office profitably.  " More rhetoric. My doctors office has 2 admins for 5 docs. So unless you consider 2 a "team" of administrators then I guess you're right.  And they're not on the phone all the time "working out how what is covered". More Left-wing talking points. The doctors offices know what's covered. Think about it logically...how much is being done at a doctors office? Usually pretty routine stuff for most part. If you're on an HMO and you need to see a specialist they have a bunch they know they can send you to. Nothing to check. Are there some things that need to be checked? Sure, but it ain't widespread like the Left makes it out to be. They also deal with insurers for when paperwork is messed up or referral never got through. Again, benign stuff but no less a pain to deal with. But that same stuff is going to happen with the public option too. Not going to be any better. Good luck getting help from a govt worker though...lol
    Posted by dexter67[/QUOTE]

    So I guess the Doctor and 5 admins she employed who were interviewed for the segment on the news were all hired actors.
     
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    Dex, so a public option with a single plan will take as much administrative effort as the myriad plans we have now?  How can you justify that statement?
     
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    [QUOTE]Dex, so a public option with a single plan will take as much administrative effort as the myriad plans we have now?  How can you justify that statement?
    Posted by movingtangent[/QUOTE]

    What the fcuk are you talking about? I never said anything remotely close to what you're accusing me of. Point out the statement (that you obviously misread) and I'll walk you through it to explain it to you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : So I guess the Doctor and 5 admins she employed who were interviewed for the segment on the news were all hired actors.
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    LOL...5 admins for ONE doc is ridiculous....LOL
     
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    [QUOTE]"  They also deal with insurers for when paperwork is messed up or referral never got through. Again, benign stuff but no less a pain to deal with. But that same stuff is going to happen with the public option too. Not going to be any better. Good luck getting help from a govt worker though...lol
    Posted by dexter67[/QUOTE]

    There you go.  What did you actually want to say?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : LOL...5 admins for ONE doc is ridiculous....LOL
    Posted by dexter67[/QUOTE]

    Your assertion that every doctor participates in all plans is going to bite you if you continue down this path.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : There you go.  What did you actually want to say?
    Posted by movingtangent[/QUOTE]

    OMG...you really are braindead. Let me say this slowly for you. Whether it's a public plan or a private plan there will always be adminstrative problems. End of story. That will never end. Got it now?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: State Controlled Media : Your assertion that every doctor participates in all plans is going to bite you if you continue down this path.
    Posted by movingtangent[/QUOTE]

    Um what??? Seriously...whatever you're on please stop taking it. You don't have much to work with as it is and whatever you're on is only going to deplete what little brain capacity you have left.
     

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