Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing.

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    Does the request have to be in English?
     
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    Parents should  be flatly denied even an opportunity to object to what is taught by the State to their children?

    Educate yourself on the role of a family, oh state-worshipping-poodle airbone.
     
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    "state requirements for education in the particular subject area"

    This needs qualifying.  As I read this, if the student is receiving adequate education outside of their property tax-funded schools sufficiently enough to meet the "state requirements", then they can be excused from a class where the same subject is being taught?

    Scenario: the state has a minimum proficiency in, say, natural sciences.  A parent objects to their child attending biology class for whatever reason.  The child now must make up the credit by studying biology at home or online...?


    @Forum:

    Did you EVER object to any subject your child was taught in school...??  If so, what did you do about it...??
     
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    In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : As worded, any parent could object to the entire curriculum and substitute whatever they wanted instead, with no measurement or assessment or accountability for that "alternative material" requirement, which means compulsory education would be dead, dead, dead.
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]
    Air, put down your name calling thesaurus and read what you posted. Specifically the law you posted. The above paragraph is the opinion of the author who also probably didn't read the law (unless there is more you didn't post?). The change has to be agreed upon by BOTH the parents AND the school district AND has to meet state requirements for the subject!

    IX-c. Require school districts to adopt a policy allowing an exception to specific course material based on a parent’s or legal guardian’s determination that the material is objectionable. Such policy shall include a provision requiring the parent or legal guardian to notify the school principal or designee in writing of the specific material to which they object and a provision requiring an alternative agreed upon by the school district and the parent, at the parent’s expense, sufficient to enable the child to meet state requirements for education in the particular subject area. The name of the parent or legal guardian and any specific reasons disclosed to school officials for the objection to the material shall not be public information and shall be excluded from access under RSA 91-A.
     
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    Did you EVER object to any subject your child was taught in school...??  If so, what did you do about it...??

    I asked for more sex education when I was in junior high but they said "get lost you pervert." That was pretty objectionable.



     
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    In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : As worded, any parent could object to the entire curriculum and substitute whatever they wanted instead, with no measurement or assessment or accountability for that "alternative material" requirement, which means compulsory education would be dead, dead, dead.
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]

    Flip it around.  Should the State be able to force students to learn a particular subject?  Example:  Could the State  compel students to learn how to perform an abortion?

     
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    In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : Flip it around.  Should the State be able to force students to learn a particular subject?  Example:  Could the State  compel students to learn how to perform an abortion?
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Wow.  That's pretty ludicrous...even for you.

    States DO have minimum standards for many subjects. 


    Cue shrill cries of "socialism!" in 3...2...1...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : There's a reason that I included links, so that you could read the article and related material. Some of which are as follows:   An earlier version of the GOP’s bill did, in fact, allow parents to pull their students out of school entirely, for any reason, but the latest version requires that an alternative lesson be provided when parents object. http://www.unionleader.com The conservative Union Leader: After a Bedford family made national news by objecting to the assignment of a left-wing propaganda book as required reading in a high school personal finance course, Republicans sought a legislative solution. They proposed letting parents opt out of any course material they find objectionable. It was an overreaction. House Bill 542 would have amended state law to “Require school districts to adopt a policy allowing an exception to specific course material based on a parent’s or legal guardian’s determination that the material is objectionable.” Though that sounds appealing at first blush, it is so broad that it would make public education essentially an a la carte menu. It is true that public schools are too inflexible and don’t allow enough choice. They would benefit greatly from the competition that comes from charter schools and vouchers. But this bill put the burden on each public school to create a curriculum catered to each family’s individual tastes. Schools would have to provide alternatives to any instruction a family opposed, and a family could oppose anything for any reason. That is neither workable, nor sensible . Gov. John Lynch vetoed the bill last week. He was right to do so. http://www.unionleader.com/article/20110718/OPINION01/707189997
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]
    Your title says otherwise. "New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children." 
    The fact is the bill passed doesn't allow this. The law as passed is 100% a GREAT law from this parents perspective! As with most bills, they start as one things and get adjusted and re-written to have a better chance of being passed by the majority. That is why a state like Massachusetts with @86% of elected officials being one party is dangerous. Imagine if 86% of the NH legislature were Republican's and passed that first draft? With a Republican Gov to rubber stamp it?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : Wow.  That's pretty ludicrous...even for you. States DO have minimum standards for many subjects.  Cue shrill cries of "socialism!" in 3...2...1...
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Sorry to disappoint.  ok, just once:  "SOCIALISM!!!"  Happy?

    I just don't see the problem with home schooling.  You liberals think EVERYTHING g0government does is good, to the point of compelling compliance in every area.  Some of us are still in control of our faculties, and do just fine with out the ggovernment telling us how to do everything.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : Sorry to disappoint.  ok, just once:  "SOCIALISM!!!"  Happy? I just don't see the problem with home schooling.  You liberals think EVERYTHING g0government does is good, to the point of compelling compliance in every area.  Some of us are still in control of our faculties, and do just fine with out the ggovernment telling us how to do everything.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Your inane hyperbole aside....

    I don't have any problem with home-schooling, either...provided that the parent-teacher is diligent enough to ensure a minimum basic proficiency in certain subjects.  

    But who sets the standard...?  Can a parent be objective/qualified enough to do so on their own?  I seriously doubt it. 

    My problem with govt in this area (among many) is that those same state-mandated, minimum basic standards are too lenient and allow kids to matriculate without earning it...a snowballing effect that results in high school grads who can't read
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : Yes, the title was misleading but not entirely inaccurate. So you think that schools should be an amalgam of dozens of courses, requiring dozens of teachers to teach to what may be only one student per class? You think that sounds like a cost effective and practical solution? That sounds an awful lot like 'every kid gets a sports trophy' attitude. As the Union Leader says, it's "neither workable, nor sensible" and it's "an overreaction".
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]
    No. But that is taking this to the extreme. Classes are broken into areas with a semester covering 10-15 areas of that subject. If I disagree with a section, I can work with the teacher to substitute for that section. OR to make it easier for all, how about the dems stop blocking school vouchers. That way they can send their kids to the school that they believe gives the best education.
     
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    It's still not clear to me what subjects/topics are so "objectionable" to parents...anyone...??

    Again, any inclination I would have toward home-schooling would be concerned with the low standards of the school in question.

    Even then, there's nobody saying that I can't supplement the school's curricula with further at-home learning.
     
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    Looking at this I would have figured it would be something meant to ease the optionof homeschooling, and that might figure into this, I think the bill's intent is poorly represented in the legislation and it is at best not drafted very well. 

    That said legislators need to be careful when tinkering with education requirements to satisfy the whims (often partisan) of the moment.  Second, public education, is by its very nature more "one size fits all" than tailored for an individual student or that students family and ironically that can be even more stingent at private schools.  I am not sure what the point of this bill is to be honest, it seems NH is opening a pandora's box to solve a problem that may only be an issue for an extremely small number of people, likely the type of people that can't be satisified regardless of what action is taken. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Stupid: New Hampshire GOP passes new bill allowing parents not educate their children. HILARIOUS: Request must be made in writing. : Your idea doesn't change the premise of the problem. In a class of 30, with 10-15 subject areas, that's a potential for 450 alternate subjects. Let's say only 10% request a change. That's still 45 new lesson plans. It's unduly burdensome on the teachers and untenable in reality. The problem in NH is that in the wingnut controlled NH - HoR where they control 78% of the vote, the school voucher program lost by 30 votes. When the Dems controlled the HoR, vouchers lost by only one vote.
    Posted by airborne-rgr[/QUOTE]
    The onus is on the parents and the school district. If there is a fee (i.e. teacher OT etc.) it is to be paid by the parents.

    I have only seen one vote for vouchers in NH and it lost by a vote. Several said because it required the school district to provide transportation to the private school. That was 2004. Not sure of the make up of the body.
     

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