Supreme Court takes two gay marriage cases...

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    "If we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? Can we have it against other things?"

    Scalia's cogent point refuting the foolish progressive argument that you cant "legislate morality".

    Morals and morality and the law cannot be separated.

    The progressives really mean that you cant legislate YOUR morality, but the liberals are quite happy to allow their version of morality to be imposed by judges. 

    "There might not be anything constitutionally wrong with the execution of an actually innocent person"

    That is a correct statement. Tragic as that may be, the Constitution does not impose a standard of perfection, bad decisions are made by juries and judges. Due process is due process, there is not a standard of perfection. The only way to prevent any chance of error is to preclude the death penalty altogether. We are close to that now, with the ridiculous endless appeals for murderers who are obviously guilty.

    The only way to prevent innocent persons from being convicted is not to convict anyone. Is there something constitutionally wrong with being wrongly convicted, if all proper procedures are followed? No. It is a mistake. 

     
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    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    If the Nazgul uphold DOMA, watch the left blame conservatives rather than its lefty hero, author, Bill Clinton



    If they uphold DOMA, then we are ALL to blame, but nobody so much as the religious charlatans and proselytizers who likewise who think it was the best thing Clinton ever did...

    ...even after he's admitted (confessed?) to his grievous mistake.

     

     

     

     
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    Scientist discover what makes someone gay. epi-genetic not genetic.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/12/11/scientists-may-have-finally-unlocked-puzzle-of-why-people-are-gay

    Scientists may have finally solved the puzzle of what makes a person gay, and how it is passed from parents to their children.

    A group of scientists suggested Tuesday that homosexuals get that trait from their opposite-sex parents: A lesbian will almost always get the trait from her father, while a gay man will get the trait from his mother.

    The hereditary link of homosexuality has long been established, but scientists knew it was not a strictly genetic link, because there are many pairs of identical twins who have differing sexualities. Scientists from the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis say homosexuality seems to have an epigenetic, not a genetic link.

     

     

     
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    Bill confessed? to both articles of impeachment too.  I feel better



    He admitted his mistake in drafting/supporting the legislation.  It's a terrible, inhuman law, and at least he copped to its awfulness.

    If the gop, catholic hierarchy and other assorted religious nuts could admit theirs, then I would feel better.

     

     

     
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    Scientist discover what makes someone gay. epi-genetic not genetic.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/12/11/scientists-may-have-finally-unlocked-puzzle-of-why-people-are-gay

    Scientists may have finally solved the puzzle of what makes a person gay, and how it is passed from parents to their children.

    A group of scientists suggested Tuesday that homosexuals get that trait from their opposite-sex parents: A lesbian will almost always get the trait from her father, while a gay man will get the trait from his mother.

    The hereditary link of homosexuality has long been established, but scientists knew it was not a strictly genetic link, because there are many pairs of identical twins who have differing sexualities. Scientists from the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis say homosexuality seems to have an epigenetic, not a genetic link.

     

     



    Interesting.  But whether it is a biological trait or a learned behavior doesn't much matter.  Equality should be available either way.

     
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    Mans flawed science and logic wins over Gods design. 



    If there is a god, then it's the design that's flawed, not the science.

    Science can be proven.

    God, not so much.

     

     
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    Interesting.  But whether it is a biological trait or a learned behavior doesn't much matter.  Equality should be available either way.

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    Mans flawed science and logic wins over Gods design. 

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    You don't speak for God.  Not at all.

    God is against equality?  Really?

     
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    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Bill confessed? to both articles of impeachment too.  I feel better



    He admitted his mistake in drafting/supporting the legislation.  It's a terrible, inhuman law, and at least he copped to its awfulness.

    If the gop, catholic hierarchy and other assorted religious nuts could admit theirs, then I would feel better.

     

     



    Inhuman no, but patently unfair to committed same sex couples.  I was an early supporter of of civil unions.

    As headlined on CNN GOP is mute on what is most likely a moot issue.

     
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    In response to tvoter's comment:

    seems to have an epigenetic, not a genetic link.

    A dangerous statement when you throw it at the feet of people who support discrimination against gay people.
    A layman would draw no real distinction between genetic and epigenetic. It's a narrow scientific distinction, but the bottom line is that the homosexuality IS still inherited and IS therefore still the way you were born.

    It's just that it is not the direct result from expression of a specific gene, rather, the result of "is linked to epi-marks — extra layers of information that control how certain genes are expressed."


    So, not a choice. Maybe that will help convince a few other bigots who wanted to discriminate based on the choice argument.




    You sound defensive? The science indicates that being gay is epi-genetic meaning a person does not "decide" to be gay; it's in their genetic make up. 

     
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    I was an early supporter of of civil unions.



    You obviously feel otherwise, but to me, that sounds exactlyas misguided as someone patting themselves on the back for being an early support of giving black people water fountains that are just as nice as the white people's water fountains.

     



    Are you interested in rights or what its called?

    So are same but differently labeled rest rooms discriminatory?

    How about girls and boys hockey?

    Different but equal by biology.

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    No you're right.. the Bible does.

     


    Men - not god - wrote the bible.

     

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    No you're right.. the Bible does.

     


    Men - not god - wrote the bible.

     



    They recorded Gods word and acts.

    unless you think it is pure fiction recorded for entertainment.



    You won't get anywhere with this crowd.  Their hearts are hardened to the word of god.

     
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    Mans flawed science and logic wins over Gods design. 

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    You don't speak for God.  Not at all.

    God is against equality?  Really?

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    No you're right.. the Bible does.

    Are you saying that God is FOR sodomy? Really now?

     

    After further thought... since there is no morality in politics, why should there be any in our laws.

    Thanks Rubie.

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    I am not interested in your mythology.  Do you also condemn witches to death?  How about children who curse their parents? Do you reject eating lobsters or getting tattoos?  You really think all of that is the word of God?  Seriously?

     
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    They recorded Gods word and acts.

    unless you think it is pure fiction recorded for entertainment.

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    I actually believe the latter. No offense.

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    I wont go that far.  I think people have a spiritual sense and a desire to make sense of the universe and they fit iwthin it.  Mythology can help lead you to some of the answers.  The trouble is that too many people believe the mythology as the truth when it is merely a vehicle to the truth.  

     
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    Should any gay members of the court have to recuse themselves ?



    Should all the heteros recuse themselves as well?

     

     
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