Supreme Court Upholds Rule of Law, Constitution

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    Mattyhorn,
    you cant have it both ways. Our military is doing a damn good job keeping these mass murdering scum locked up, no thanks to the ACLU and liberals. When they are released, you blame the military? Or else it is because they were innocent (their Moms said so!) and only became radicalized becasue they were tortured at Guantanamo? What a load of crap.
    POWs in uniform captured on the battlefield killing Americans never had a right to US Courts. These terrorists should have no right to US courts.
    Presdient Bush has protected us aginst another Sept 11, liberals have fought every effort.
    When a US city is nuked,liberals will be to blame. 
     
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    [Quote]Mattyhorn,
    you cant have it both ways. Our military is doing a damn good job keeping these mass murdering scum locked up, no thanks to the ACLU and liberals. When they are released, you blame the military? Or else it is because they were innocent (their Moms said so!) and only became radicalized becasue they were tortured at Guantanamo? What a load of crap.
    POWs in uniform captured on the battlefield killing Americans never had a right to US Courts. These terrorists should have no right to US courts.
    Presdient Bush has protected us aginst another Sept 11, liberals have fought every effort.
    When a US city is nuked,liberals will be to blame. 
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    Oh, so now they're POWs?  I thought they were "enemy combatants" and as such were not entitled to protection under the Geneva Conventions - you know, that silly agreement that safeguards against torture and protects basic human rights??

    How would we know they were "mass murdering scum" unless they knew for what what they were being charged??  How would we know they were indeed guilty of such crimes without due process??

    At issue here is the extraordinary secrecy with which the administration has waged their so-called war on terror, and the egregious violations of human rights on their watch.  Now that their "legal" justifications for torture and rendition are crumbling, the world is learning the ugly truth.

    Here is an example of the "damn good job" you mention, per the recent McClatchy report (and in Afghanistan, no less):

    "[At Bagram] American soldiers herded the detainees into holding pens of razor-sharp concertina wire, the kind that's used to corral livestock. The guards kicked, kneed and punched many of the men until they collapsed in pain. U.S. troops shackled and dragged other detainees to small isolation rooms, then hung them by their wrists from chains dangling from the wire mesh ceiling."

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    You're entitled to your opinion, Bob, but I find such reports absolutely reprehensible and not just a little disgusting.  Torture under any condition is despicable but even more so when that torture has been demonstrated to be authorized at the highest levels.  The issue all along has been the disastrous methods and inept judgement by which the war has been carried out, not the war itself.

    "When a US city is nuked, liberals will be to blame." - an unhinged statement if there ever was one.


     

     
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    [Quote]The problem with giving due process to the people we capture overseas is that if we give them a fair trial, they might be found innocent.  These people are MUSLIM you know.  If they weren't guilty, they'd have long since converted to Christianity.

    Scalia wrote today that Americans will die because of this decision.  Better to incarcerate a thousand Muslims without charge or hearing forever than to allow even one American to die.[/Quote]

    Could not agree more....unless you said to shoot them without trial....it is not like muslim life has any value.
     
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    [Quote]

    The Supreme Court was smoking crack on this one.  The idea that the US Constitution extends beyond our borders is absurd.

    Does this mean I can carry a gun in England or have free speech in China???  Will our soldiers need to provide probable cause prior to searching possible terrorists in the streets of Baghdad??

    For the record I haven't read the ruling yet.


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    The fact is if WE, under the name of the United States of America put them on trial, then our laws should apply.  These prisoners are in the custody of the USA, so indeed, our laws should apply.  If you are on a US ship in international waters, US law would apply.  If you're at Gitmo, US law should apply.  That simple.  To do it any other way is a joke.
     
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    Presdient Bush has protected us aginst another Sept 11, liberals have fought every effort. When a US city is nuked,liberals will be to blame.

    Y'know, we didn't lose any cities to major weather disaster during the ENTIRE Clinton administration, and then took over and before you know it ...
       New Orleans: GONE
       Des Moines: GONE

    Is Boston next?  I tell you, if McCain is elected and another city goes under water, conservatives will be to blame.

    Sounds pretty silly, Bob, doesn't it?  Well now you see how silly YOU sound to a normal person.  No US city is going to be nuked, no matter who's in charge.  You are part of an effort to keep the American people in a perpetual state of unwarranted fear for political advantage, and it is most unseemly.
     
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    What a  crock of crap!   Pretty soon we wiil force our military to read terrorists their  Miranda rights!   Except that they are not citizens!    The countries these maggots crawl out of don't give us special considerations - they'r  terrorists and  combatants NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS!  

    How  does this make the ordinary American citizen any safer????   It doesn't make us any safer.  Malybe these ragheads will move into your neighborhood and let you wonder if your family will die in a "suicide"  explosion somewhere!


     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from lnmonster. Show lnmonster's posts

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    There was no flooding under Clinton?  Stupidest thing you've said this hour. There was so much flooding in Iowa that they took over 9000 homes and turned it into flood zones.

    The Iowa floods occurred in the spring and summer of 2003.  Clinton had barely taken office, and the weather was still largely under the influence of the policies of the Reagan/Bush I administrations.  So who's stupid now?

    If you are saying that Clinton is responsible for the Iowa floods of 2003, then I guess you'd also contend that Bush II was ENTIRELY responsible for 9/11, which occurred almost 8 MONTHS after he took office.  Can't have it both ways.
     
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    [Quote]

    These people are not Americans, they hate America, and they want to kill YOU.


    Some of them do.  Many others, perhaps most, claim to be simple farmers who were framed and turned in to the US forces for bounty by rival tribes in Afghanistan.  Bin Laden's driver is being held, for God's sake ... well, maybe he IS a terrorist, but maybe he's just the hired help.  Don't you think he deserves the chance to make his case?

    Point is, if we lock up everyone forever becaue they are a Muslim from Afghanistan without charging them or granting them due process, then we ensure that they and all their friends and relatives will come to hate America and want to kill you, even if they didn't before.  In the eyes of the world, we become no better than the terrorists who executed Daniel Perle without due process because he was an American Jew.  Maybe you see a difference, but you're not the one we need to win the heart and mind of.[/Quote]

    Question LMon, you do apply thought to these matters, how does one apply due process on the battle field?  Probably more appropriately how does one differentiate the various people who come into our custody.  Also, if all of these folks both combatants and non-combatants have due process, should their families be allowed to sue in civil court when they are killed on the battlefield?  They do not fight under a flag and no declaration of war has ever been made.  I dont disagree that many of the folks at Guantanamo are due a fair court hearing, but for some, a military tribunal is perfectly fine since they themselves consider themselves enemy combatants. ie Kahli Mohamed (sp?) 
     
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