Re: Swine on Parade
posted at 10/8/2013 9:13 PM EDT
In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
You lack an objective point of view on this. How shocking!
Where can you find someone on the Repbulican side demanding "unconditional surrender"? They state some public position and want to talk. Obama says "I will not negotiate". Really, are you that partisan that you can't see who is demanding "unconditional surrender".? I guess so.
Is a one year delay on Obamacare for individuals "unconditional surrender" when Obama himself has delayed it for corporations and doled out 1000's of exemptions?
You forget that the President's power to veto is no stronger in power than the Republican's power in Congress to deny him what he wants. Why is the power of Congress to be ignored?
You seem to believe that there are only two positions - either Congress caves or the President does. There isn't anything in between?
Oh, I forgot.
"I will not negotiate"
- Barack Hussein Obama
According to you the party willing to negotiate is shutting down government while the party who refuses to negotiate has no responsibility.
Well, there might be a fragment of logic somewhere in there, but it certainly isn't the dessicated turds purveyed.
The first fecal fragment presented is that somehow, the GOP isn't demanding unconditional surrender. They initially demanded that Obamacare be defunded. Do you deny this? Or do you merely obfusticate it?
The unintended truth you tripped into is that at least one GOPer had no idea why they were shutting down da gubbament. He was sure it had something to do with respect, but beyond that he was at a loss for synapatic links.
And indeed, the GOP has backtracked from an unconditional demand for amorphous "negotiation." But negotiation about what?
Obamacare is the law of the land. Obama didn't shut down government. He can't. He's the President, see? It's the congress that has to pass these bills, and thus far, the GOP refuses to pass a no-strings attached bill.
So what part of that is so hard for you to understand and/or admit the truth of?
GOP demands Obama "negotiate" a law congress already passes or else the GOP will not allow the U.S. to pay debts the GOP authorized. You call that Obama shutting down government.
You yourself have in these forums pretended to admit that the GOP should not hold the debt limit hostage - you agreed that if congress has already authorized spendning, they should not then refuse to pay the bill. Your position here gives the lie.
If you actually believed that, you wouldn't be demanding the President "negotiate." What is there for him to negotiate about? Obamacare is already the law. The GOP does not now have the votes to repeal Obamacare.