Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

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    Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    Perhaps with their newfound skepticism toward the lying liars of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the former lapdogs of the White House press corps will start asking questions like this: Where the hell is Sufyan Ben Qumu a.k.a. Abu Sufian bin Qumu?

    Qumu, a suspected Libyan Islamic Fighting Group militant with ties to the financiers of the 9/11/01 attacks, was held at Guantanamo Bay for six years. The Bush administration foolishly handed him over to the Gadhafi regime on the promise that he would remain imprisoned. In 2010, Qumu was granted amnesty and released.

    Contrary to the delusions of the International Gitmo Bleeding Hearts Fan Club, the supposedly poor and oppressed Qumu did not content himself with writing poetry or farming potatoes. A week after the 9/11/12 attack, the Ansar al-Sharia leader was named a possible chief plotter in the deadly terrorist assault on our consulate personnel, staff and private security contractors in Benghazi. In April, international media outlets reported widely that Qumu had survived an assassination bid.

     
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    Perhaps with their newfound skepticism toward the lying liars of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the former lapdogs of the White House press corps will start asking questions like this: Where the hell is Sufyan Ben Qumu a.k.a. Abu Sufian bin Qumu?

    Qumu, a suspected Libyan Islamic Fighting Group militant with ties to the financiers of the 9/11/01 attacks, was held at Guantanamo Bay for six years. The Bush administration foolishly handed him over to the Gadhafi regime on the promise that he would remain imprisoned. In 2010, Qumu was granted amnesty and released.

    Contrary to the delusions of the International Gitmo Bleeding Hearts Fan Club, the supposedly poor and oppressed Qumu did not content himself with writing poetry or farming potatoes. A week after the 9/11/12 attack, the Ansar al-Sharia leader was named a possible chief plotter in the deadly terrorist assault on our consulate personnel, staff and private security contractors in Benghazi. In April, international media outlets reported widely that Qumu had survived an assassination bid.



    When are you going to quit blaming Bush?

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    The Bush administration foolishly handed him over to the Gadhafi regime on the promise that he would remain imprisoned. In 2010, Qumu was granted amnesty and released.

    slomag, There's a reason why the Bush administration released the number of Guantanamo inmates that they did. Try to guess why that was.

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Why can't they just try them?

     




    Don't be silly.  Because in many cases we just don't have any evidence to convict.

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    Because they're incompetent.

    I'll bet you rode the short bus to school.

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    Why can't they just try them?

    Most of these guys were picked up for being in a place that they shouldn't have been, this guy was Libyan but was probably captured in Afghanistan or Iraq. They probably interregated him and determined that he was most likely a threat.

    He probably didn't break any US laws so what do you suppose you're going to try him for?

     

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    Well if we aren't holding them as prisoners of war and we can't show they committed any crimes, what is the basis for holding them?

    We already know what happens when we release them. Say, how many dead Ambassadors do you want?

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

     

     

    Well if we aren't holding them as prisoners of war and we can't show they committed any crimes, what is the basis for holding them?

     

    We already know what happens when we release them. Say, how many dead Ambassadors do you want?

     

     




    Well there is this:

     

    Qumu was reported by Fox News as possibly being involved with and may have led the September 11, 2012 attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya that resulted in the murder of four US Diplomats including US Ambassador Chris Stevens. However, in September of 2012, a US national security official reported that "that report is wrong, there's no intelligence suggesting that he was leading the attack on the consulate that evening." The official insisted there was no evidence that Qumu "directed, coordinated, or planned" the attack.



    Do you have a link to this statement? I mean, no offense but just because you post a paragraph doesn't mean it should be outright believed. Do you believe everything posted that doesn't include links for verification???

     

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    We know what happened when we released one. Try to keep it straight.

    You can extrapolate that to a significant percentage of detainees. In fact, we know that's true because we have statistics on the recidivsm rate for previously released detainees. Look, (as the talking head are fond of saying) the reason why they are detainees is because they placed themselves in a battlefield evnironment for the express purpose of killing Americans. You can't just release them and not expect bad things to happen.

    What I'm actually suggesting is that this is a unique situation in the history of warfare in that we've never really been in a large scale conflict with a non-nation state actor before so it's going to require some unique solutions.

     

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    Wondering if some here realize that Obama's biggest scandal thus far is not Benghazi (never was)...

    ...it's the continued operation of Gitmo.

    I don't think either side gets that yet.

     

     

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    I once was a WARRIOR for this country now I'm a peace loving and liberal man who enjoys a good laugh ...... but when it comes to Gitmo I believe in a quote that I learned in the Service .... " the greatest good for the greatest number " . If you want to let them free that's ok .... make sure you put them on a deserted island with some seeds and and plows and let nature takes it course with them. But none of them, the innocent or the guilty, should ever walk free among us again.

     

    Semper Fi !

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    So just to re-cap CLCs misinformed narrative.

    Bush captures a guy with loose ties to the financial backers of the 9/11 attack.

    Bush tortures the guy for six years without hope of a trial.

    Bush releases him to the madman dictator of his home country.

    Said dictator is toppled, and Qumu joins Ansar-al sharia.

    Qumu and Ansar-al Sharia attack a US consulate and kill an ambassador.

    Obama blames the attack on a youtube video.

    And this is the worst scandal in the history of the world ... for Obama?

     
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    So if a country gets invaded and a village ends up in the middle of the fighting then it's the villager's fault that they happened to be home at the time when the invasion happened.

     

    No. I guess you missed the part about the interrogation. Also, Libyan's don't just happen to show up in Afghani villiages.

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    Then why aren't we treating them as POWs? Oh right, then we'd have to respect the Geneva Conventions. So we call them "enemy combatants" and that.....just plain magically means they aren't to be treated like human beings (even evil ones)? We put the F'ing nazis - the worst human beings on Earth, perhaps - on trial. I think we can do it with these.

    Technically these people are unlawful combatants and are not subject to Geneva Convention protocols. That means that they are subject to the laws of the nation that captured them and that means it's up to us to decide what to do with them.

     

    Personally, I think that the best path would be to have a military tribunal look at each individual and make a decision to keep them or send them back to their home country.

     

    Until that happens they should be treated humanely in a place like Gitmo under military supervision.

     

     

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

    In response to UserName99's comment:

     

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    Why can't they just try them?

     
    Don't be silly.  Because in many cases we just don't have any evidence to convict.

     

    We didnt have evidence to convict the thousands of POWs captured in all our wars, either.  Standard of proof is quite different in War and in local criminal courts.

    As to "evidence to convict":

    1) It is difficult to have a lawyer and investigator present, when these Al Qaeda soldiers are killing American  soldiers or attempting mass terror attacks.

    2) Ignoring that we are at war with Al Qaeda....the law of War has thousands of years
     of legal precedent. Prisoners of war are kept until hostilities are ended. Period.

    "Are they active on the field of battle trying to kill us? Well f'ing kill them then."

    You are full of it. To the Obama Administration, the entire world is the "field of battle"

    The Obama Administration has no evidence to convict either, but they send a drone when Obama signs a document, and the drone kills the suspect and his family and anyone unlucky enough to be in the vicinity....why? Based on the "Law of War".

    Defending drone killing based on the laws of War, while claiming the Laws of War dont apply to the keeping of Al Qaeda prisoners  ..is cognitive disconnect.

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

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    So just to re-cap CLCs misinformed narrative.

    Bush captures a guy with loose ties to the financial backers of the 9/11 attack.('loose ties" are good enough for me...whereas you would give him a medal, no doubt)

    Bush tortures the guy for six years without hope of a trial. (LIE, but libs, useful idiots as they are , swallow the lies of enemies of America, there is a long history of that)

    Bush releases him to the madman dictator of his home country.(under pressure from libs who believe the claim Gitmo detinees are all "innocent farmers"..Obama released some as well who went directly back to the war to kill Americans...)

    Said dictator is toppled, and Qumu joins Ansar-al sharia. (It is not his fault, the poor farmer)

    Qumu and Ansar-al Sharia attack a US consulate and kill an ambassador. (and so, perhaps, we might learn from our mistakes and not release enemy soldiers during the war ...)

    Obama blames the attack on a youtube video. (he lied)

    And this is the worst scandal in the history of the world ... for Obama?




    It is a disgrace.

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

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    So just to re-cap CLCs misinformed narrative.

    Bush captures a guy with loose ties to the financial backers of the 9/11 attack.('loose ties" are good enough for me...whereas you would give him a medal, no doubt)

    Bush tortures the guy for six years without hope of a trial. (LIE, but libs, useful idiots as they are , swallow the lies of enemies of America, there is a long history of that)

    Bush releases him to the madman dictator of his home country.(under pressure from libs who believe the claim Gitmo detinees are all "innocent farmers"..Obama released some as well who went directly back to the war to kill Americans...)

    Said dictator is toppled, and Qumu joins Ansar-al sharia. (It is not his fault, the poor farmer)

    Qumu and Ansar-al Sharia attack a US consulate and kill an ambassador. (and so, perhaps, we might learn from our mistakes and not release enemy soldiers during the war ...)

    Obama blames the attack on a youtube video. (he lied)

    And this is the worst scandal in the history of the world ... for Obama?

     




     

    It is a disgrace.



    OK, so waterboarding never happened, and liberals forced a lame-duck GOP president to release a high-value detainee against his will from a program that he himself invented.  But it wasn't incompetence, and we certainly don't need a hearing (let alone dozens of hearings) to get to the bottom of it, or to make sure it never happens again.  Oh, and you would let Obama slide if he had been the one to let Qumu loose, despite this thread title.

    Thank you, oh beacon of truth, for dispelling these liberal lies.

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Terrorist released from Gitmo chief suspect in Benghazi attack

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    But none of them, the innocent ... should ever walk free among us again.

     


    Why should innocent people not be free?

     




    I don't like being cold hearted but I won't show mercy when it comes to people whose only reason for living is to kill us  .... I don't trust them ......

     

     
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