The biggest problem with food stamps

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    This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't. We get fat people Who have transferred their dietary responsibility to government officials.

     

     
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    This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't. We get fat people Who have transferred their dietary responsibility to government officials.

     



    Except the private sector - in addition to being unable or unwilling to pick up the slack - now has their thumb firmly placed on the scales in favor of Big Food.

    But explain how govt does not have an inherent responsibility to feed the hungry.

    (Still allegedly working in that soup kitchen?  How are they funded?)

     

     
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    This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't. We get fat people Who have transferred their dietary responsibility to government officials.

     



    Should we just let people starve to death?

     
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    [QUOTE]This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't

     

    Making sure people don't starve isn't something the government of the supposedly richest country on earth shouldn't do?

    Well, at least we (again) know how truthful you are when you say you support having a safety net and merely oppose overreach and fraud.

     

     

     

    Of course government should make people don't starve. The anti-hunger people seem to be an entrenched interest group - the 'factions' warned of long ago - and need to be taken on. There is no reason for food stamps to cover empty calories that cause obesity, diabetes, and related illnesses when overconsumed.

     

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    No one is starving in this country.  Even if you zero out food stamps, people in this country will not starve. We are awash in food.

    but, far be it for you to look at facts.  You are just locked in on government doing everything for people, whether they need it or not.

     
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    I see nothing wrong with limiting food stamp choices, after all, the "S" in SNAP stands for supplemental. 

    I think we could find some items that we all agree shouldn't be available to SNAP.  Items such as candy, cookies, and drinks with too much sugar.

    But you just can't just throw out a blanket rule like "no junk food".  There are nutrionists out there that would argue that pasta is no better than eating a bowl of sugar.

    A good article.  I had no idea that agribusiness and processed food companies were so entrenched with the anti-hunger folks.  

     
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    This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't. We get fat people Who have transferred their dietary responsibility to government officials.

     

     

     



    Should we just let people starve to death?

     

     

     



    If they are too lazy to move the fork to their mouth, I don't know what we can do for them.

     

    food is in complete over abundance in this country, and iti s cheap comparatively.  Add to that that in nearly every city in this country there are soup kitchens/ meals on a daily basis is provided  by charitable organizations, no one is going hungry unless they are forcing themselves to do so.

    anyone who falls through this safety net, why, sure.  Government can help.

     
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    This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't. We get fat people Who have transferred their dietary responsibility to government officials.


    Should we just let people starve to death?

     



     As WDYWN said, "it is the poorest who are the fattest."

    If any parent has enough resources for housing, cable TV, a vehicle, and/or alcohol, never mind tatoos: and their kids are malnourished, they should be arrested for abuse, not given food stamps.

     

     
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     "I had no idea that agribusiness and processed food companies were so entrenched with the anti-hunger folks"

    Wake up and smell the crony capitalism...

    ".....the current food stamp Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) card industry is dominated by three main players: J.P. Morgan Electronic Financial Services, Affiliated Computer Services, and eFunds. Together they collect money from 49 states and three territories. In fact, since 2004, 18 of 24 states that contract with J.P. Morgan have paid more than $560 million to the financial monolith.

    "There is little wonder then that those three companies appear to be perfectly content with the exploding food stamp rolls – and wholly unconcerned about rampant fraud and abuse. As the GAI study observed, “The more persons enrolled in the program, the more money the EBT industry makes.” That may also help explain why, when the state of Florida initiated an eight-month program to detect and prevent fraud among its three million EBT card users, J.P. Morgan saw fit to assign just one employee to the program.

    And then there is this: During the 2008 election, Barack Obama received more than $800,000 from J.P. Morgan alone. After his election, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, initiated by Obama and passed by a compliant Congress, made two major changes to existing food stamp policies. First, it increased benefits by 13.6 percent. Second, it actively encouraged states to add more recipients to their food stamp rolls.

    And the corporate cronyism and political payoffs don’t end there. The House and Senate Agricultural Committees have jurisdiction over all food assistance and distribution programs, including the food stamp program. So, just as one might expect, analysis by the GAI uncovered a clear trend of increasing contributions to Agriculture Committee members of both the House and Senate on the part of J.P. Morgan that clearly coincides with their entry into the lucrative EBT card, food stamp market. "

     
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    This is what happens as government becomes responsible for things they shouldn't. We get fat people Who have transferred their dietary responsibility to government officials.

     

     

     



    Except the private sector - in addition to being unable or unwilling to pick up the slack - now has their thumb firmly placed on the scales in favor of Big Food.

     

     

    But explain how govt does not have an inherent responsibility to feed the hungry.

    (Still allegedly working in that soup kitchen?  How are they funded?)

     

     



    Yes. Funded completely privately.

    so, I'm doing my part. How about you?

     

     
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    "Making low-income families in the grocery line pay separately for forbidden foods would be cumbersome and potentially stigmatizing, they argue. And banning certain products would make the government the arbiter of which foods are “good” and which ones are “bad.” With some 40,000 products in the average grocery store, the task would be herculean, not to mention costly"

    Interesting argument that surely has some validity. "Cumbersome" is the very definition of the hundreds of anti-poverty federal programs.

    Why not take that idea and run with it? Why not get rid of all the 'cumbersome' agencies and thousands of useless bureaucrats, and just dispense cash to needy individuals, and let them make their own choices...

     
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    Yes. Funded completely privately.

    so, I'm doing my part. How about you?

     



    They don't get a tax break, i.e. govt largesse...?

    Do the people in line for soup know how much you despise them and their 'dependence' on govt?

    I'm a teacher, not a soup slinger, but thanks for asking.

     

     

     
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    Is not fraud, though fraud should certainly be investigated. It is these "anti-hunger" people, who apparently oppose attempts to limit the foods that stamps can be used for to healthy options.

    It is perfectly easy to live on a very low budget and still eat healthy: bananas, apples, milk, carrots, potatoes, beans, brown rice, whole roaster chickens, chuck beef used in stews, etc.

     

    This is hard for me but, I agree....; )

     
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    Food stamps, welfare, unemployment etc. were meant to a merans to get by until you found work or other means to support yourself and or family.

    What has happened over the years it is has become looked at as a natural way to live and not as a temporary situation.

    May people "live" on welfare (all the above programs) all or most of their lives and do not feel any obligation to get off it as soon as possible. They feel no obligation to go out and find work or get and education or better themsleves.

    Not because they are not good people; is a cultural problem!

     

     
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    Food stamps, welfare, unemployment etc. were meant to a merans to get by until you found work or other means to support yourself and or family.

    What has happened over the years it is has become looked at as a natural way to live and not as a temporary situation.

    May people "live" on welfare (all the above programs) all or most of their lives and do not feel any obligation to get off it as soon as possible. They feel no obligation to go out and find work or get and education or better themsleves.

    Not because they are not good people; is a cultural problem!

     



    That's not true.  Average time spent on welfare ranges from 6 months to about 5 years, distributed somewhat equally, and only a quarter of recips are considered "dependent".

    There's far more people on unemployment than welfare, which presumes some history of employment.  In addition, many people are working while also on welfare, because the job does not make ends meet, especially for families.

     

     

     
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    Well, as you recently liked to announce: You are way off-topic.

    This is about what sort of foods food stamps should go to, not Reagan's "welfare queens". 

    But do you have any data, anyway? The welfare reforms Clinton signed in require people to be looking for work and do cut them off.

    Now are food stamps different? And if so... consider: This ties right back into the minimum wage thread.

    It is increasingly difficult to get bye on even two full time minimum wage jobs since the minimum wage has stagnated relative to inflation such that its at its lowest point ever. If people still need food stamps despite working, then this means we are subsidizing business executive pay.



    lol, you are naive, people lie, and cheat to stay on welfare programs because that is how it's always been done. The limits the republican cogress put in place that clinto nfinaloly agree to worked but, have been over rode soince and people can get unemployment for 18 months or longer with virtually no legitimate means of proving they are actively looking and welfare for decades.

     
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    [QUOTE]No one is starving in this country.

     

    Because of food stamps, soup kitchens, and related programs/charities.

     

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    [QUOTE]Even if you zero out food stamps, people in this country will not starve.[/QUOTE]

     

    ::loud buzzer::


    WRONG ANSWER

     

     

     

    The food stamp program needs renovation so that it gets healthy food to people, not just empty calories. It does not need to be done away with.

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    Saying people will starve if we get rid of food stamps is like saying you won't get wet if you go swimming.

    That facts are simply not with you on this one.  We are awash in excess food.  No one would starve if we got rid of food stamps.  

    We produce TWICE the calories needs for our population.

    our food is incredibly cheap and abundant, consuming less than 10% of our income.

    face it, WDYWN, no one's going hungry if we got rid of food stamps.

     

    Check out some food statistics here:

    http://css.snre.umich.edu/css_doc/CSS01-06.pdf

     

     
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    Right. I am naive because I refuse to blindly assume without any data that there are a ton of people on welfare for life.

    Blindly swallowing the far right's mantra is apparently wisdom to you. Scary.



    lol, Try getting out of your ivory tower and seeing the real world!

    Did you ignore the lessons of following Katrina which exposed generations of people who knew little more than depending on govt for everything; were completely lost when govt shutdown.

    Local Politicians, police, rescue services every one left and those people were helpless due to their dependency for decades!

     
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    "Making low-income families in the grocery line pay separately for forbidden foods would be cumbersome and potentially stigmatizing, they argue. And banning certain products would make the government the arbiter of which foods are “good” and which ones are “bad.” With some 40,000 products in the average grocery store, the task would be herculean, not to mention costly"

    Interesting argument that surely has some validity. "Cumbersome" is the very definition of the hundreds of anti-poverty federal programs.

    Why not take that idea and run with it? Why not get rid of all the 'cumbersome' agencies and thousands of useless bureaucrats, and just dispense cash to needy individuals, and let them make their own choices...



    This argument is demonstrably false. Grocery stores behave databases your what is in their stores. Indicating which ones are food stamp eligible is child's play.

    as far as just eliminating the programs and giving everyone in need a check: far preferable solution, but it would eliminate the liberal social engineering, and government would be a whole lot smaller.  Politicians wouldn't have vast numbers of patronage jobs to dole out at election time, or big public sector unions from which to exort campaign cash in exchange for unsustainable benefits and favors.

     
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    [QUOTE]lol, Try getting out of your ivory tower and seeing the real world!



    Since I mostly deal with violent crime by indigent persons, I daresay I know more about how the poor live than you ever will.

     

    What a disgustingly arrogant putz you are. Think you know everything so you are entitled to reject arguments with emotional insults rather than actually taking your opponent on logically. You, skeeter, and CLC: SO quick to run from a debate.

     

     

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    [QUOTE]Did you ignore the lessons of following Katrina which exposed generations of people who knew little more than depending on govt for everything; were completely lost when govt shutdown.

     

    Local Politicians, police, rescue services every one left and those people were helpless due to their dependency for decades!

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    Wow.

     

    How do you feel about the hundreds of thousands killed in the tidal wave? Those killed in Haiti and other Earth Quakes? The wave that hit Japan?

    They're all government-dependent people and it's their fault they couldn't single-handledly deal with an environmental disaster.

     

     

    This post may actually be even slimier than when skeeter said that "homosexuality is as wrong as cancer."

    Just wow.

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    Yet another wonderful post by the snippet king.

    you would think your skin would be thicker by new, or that you might open your eyes to the notion that you are not always right.

     
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    How do you feel about the hundreds of thousands killed in the tidal wave? Those killed in Haiti and other Earth Quakes? The wave that hit Japan?

    They're all government-dependent people and it's their fault they couldn't single-handledly deal with an environmental disaster. 

    This post may actually be even slimier than when skeeter said that "homosexuality is as wrong as cancer."

    Just wow.



    I went to New Orleans and I helped people get back and you obviously didnt and probably just used it to bash a political foe while remaining ignorant of the reality.

    good day dovchbag

     
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    This thread is an example of what's wrong with liberalism/progressivism.

    hungry? Government gives you food.

    can't afford a house? Government underwrites your mortgage.

    don't want to work? Government gives you unemployment, followed by SSDI.

    need health insurance? Government will subsidize that for you.

    EVERY liberal solution in the same, throw the problem on the back of taxpayers via government, and liberals walk around with their elitist noses up in the air, because they know what's good for us: more government.

     
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    This thread is an example of what's wrong with liberalism/progressivism.

    hungry? Government gives you food.

    can't afford a house? Government underwrites your mortgage.

    don't want to work? Government gives you unemployment, followed by SSDI.

    need health insurance? Government will subsidize that for you.

    EVERY liberal solution in the same, throw the problem on the back of taxpayers via government, and liberals walk around with their elitist noses up in the air, because they know what's good for us: more government.




    We have certain obligations to the members of our society...especially when many of them are paid less than a living wage so that we can all get our goods and services as cheaply as possible..and business can make more profits.

    The only part of your argument I agree with is the government subsidizing mortgages. I agree. Having shelter is one thing..owning a home is another.

    As far as unemployment..workers pay into that fund as an insurance in case they lose their jobs..so I have no problem with that. It sounds like you have some experience with people on SSDI. It is not an easy process to go to..and while there are some people who no doubt defraud the system...there are other people who have disabilities that can't be seen by the average person. I don't have a problem with helping them..or providing health care to people who need it and can't afford it.

    Either way..Skeeter..we pay. If you want to get rid of food stamps et al..then you should be prepared to pay $8 for your big mac.

     
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    This thread is an example of what's wrong with liberalism/progressivism.

    hungry? Government gives you food.

    can't afford a house? Government underwrites your mortgage.

    don't want to work? Government gives you unemployment, followed by SSDI.

    need health insurance? Government will subsidize that for you.

    EVERY liberal solution in the same, throw the problem on the back of taxpayers via government, and liberals walk around with their elitist noses up in the air, because they know what's good for us: more government.

     




    We have certain obligations to the members of our society...especially when many of them are paid less than a living wage so that we can all get our goods and services as cheaply as possible..and business can make more profits.

     

    The only part of your argument I agree with is the government subsidizing mortgages. I agree. Having shelter is one thing..owning a home is another.

    As far as unemployment..workers pay into that fund as an insurance in case they lose their jobs..so I have no problem with that. It sounds like you have some experience with people on SSDI. It is not an easy process to go to..and while there are some people who no doubt defraud the system...there are other people who have disabilities that can't be seen by the average person. I don't have a problem with helping them..or providing health care to people who need it and can't afford it.

    Either way..Skeeter..we pay. If you want to get rid of food stamps et al..then you should be prepared to pay $8 for your big mac.

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    Huh? How does getting rid of food stamps raise the price of food?

    the fact that big government central planners don't want to admit is that there is no need for food stamps, people are not starving in this country

    You are right that we have obligations to each other. Government is not the solution, it is not designed to be the solution, and it is ineffective as the solution. And here we don't have a problem, but a solution looking for the problem. 40 million on food stamps In a country awash with food. We consume over twice the calories we need and we throw away 25% of everything we grow.

    we, as individuals are the solution.

     
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    As far as unemployment..workers pay into that fund as an insurance in case they lose their jobs..so I have no problem with that.



    Companies pay unemployment benefits or insurance to cover it not workers.

     

     

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