The case for firing Obama....

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    The case for firing Obama....

    Obama's record:

    23 million people out of work, the lowest percentage of Americans in the work force since 1961.

    Obama's most important job is the security of our nation.....he only attends 57% of his daily security briefings including skipping the 5 days before AND his 9/11 briefing.  (Bush and Clinton essentially never missed those briefings.)

    The national debt was at $9.6 trillion with a budget deficit of $500 billion annually when he took office....in just four years Obama has increased the budget deficit annually to $1.1 TRILLION and risen the national debt to $16 trillion, promising to go to $21 trillion if re-elected...at the moment that is almost $52,000 owed per person in America to repay our national debt. ($200k for just MY household)

    The credit rating of the United States has been downgraded TWICE under Obama for the first time ever.

    Due to Obama's indifference and our weak economy we are seen as weak around the world.

    Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

    Since entering office the price of gas has doubled.

    He hasn't met with Congressional leaders in SIX MONTHS.

    He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in NINE MONTHS.

    He chose to go on The View, David Letterman and have a fundraiser with JayZ and Beyonce the same week he told Netanyahu that he didnt have time to see him.

    Beghazi cover up.

    Fast and Furious cover up.

    The price per gallon of gasoline has doubled.

    Cash for clunkers.

    Obamacare....we had to pass it before we could read it...it promised to lower medical costs but instead increased our costs by $2500 per family.

    Average household income down by $3000

    Under Obama we have had NO actual budget for Congress...it's the law that the US has an actual budget...under Obama it's not that important.

    Obama took $617 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare...sorry old people!!!

    $5 trillion in new debt including a $1 trillion stimulus bill that guaranteed us job creation.....and what do we have to show for that $5 trillion???  Nothing.

    Over 100 rounds of golf!!!  4 hours per round..times 100, divided by 40....means he has golfed the equivalent of 10 work weeks since becoming President!!  Nice life huh??

    He traveled to the Middle East and called America "Arrogant!!"

    Congressional leaders including Democrats constantly complain that Obama is not accessible and won't meet with them...he won't meet with world leaders...instead he gives speeches and complains and blames...he refuses to take responsibility and has been the most divisive President in modern history.....

    NONE OF US CAN AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  Romney isn't perfect but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....voting Obama back in is insane.

    For the sake of Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Republicans.....we have to fire Obama and change this awful direction that the country is moving in.

    This doesn't mean that Obama isn't a nice guy, he's just in over his head and has demonstrated a reluctance and inability to be an effective President.  It's okay, not everybody is right for every job. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    In response to macnh1's comment:

    OK, let's take it one at a time ...


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    Obama's record:

    23 million people out of work, the lowest percentage of Americans in the work force since 1961.

    There are about 12 million people officially unemployed.  To get to 23 million you have to include the underemployed and those no longer in the labor force.  Doing so is a first, which means you cannot compare the numbers historically.

    Obama's most important job is the security of our nation.....he only attends 57% of his daily security briefings including skipping the 5 days before AND his 9/11 briefing.  (Bush and Clinton essentially never missed those briefings.)

    If this is an issue for you, that's fine, but communication has come a long way in the last 12 years, and from a foreign attacks perspective, the results of the Obama admnistration outshine both former presidents you mention.

    The national debt was at $9.6 trillion with a budget deficit of $500 billion annually when he took office....in just four years Obama has increased the budget deficit annually to $1.1 TRILLION and risen the national debt to $16 trillion, promising to go to $21 trillion if re-elected...at the moment that is almost $52,000 owed per person in America to repay our national debt. ($200k for just MY household)

    Terribly off base - Bush was not putting the wars in the budget!  The actual budget deficit was 1.2 trillion when the wars were factored in and the national debt was 10.7 trillion!.  1.2 trillion times four years is 4.8 trillion, meaning if there was no stimulus at all, and Obama had simply left the status quo, we would have a 15.5 trillion debt!

    The credit rating of the United States has been downgraded TWICE under Obama for the first time ever.

    True, but the reasons for the downgrade were 1) Congress playing games with the debt ceiling and 2) stimulus measures taken by the Fed.  You can blame the president, but keep in mind the Fed would normally stimulate the economy by cutting interest rates, but they were already at zero when Obama walked through the door.

    Due to Obama's indifference and our weak economy we are seen as weak around the world.

    Look around at the rest of the world - the US has weathered the storm far better than most.

    Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

    Fallout from the recession - I don't begrudge anybody who needed food or assistance the past four years.  BTW, did you know that during the Bush years, food stamp enrollment went up 100%?  That was during a boom!

    Since entering office the price of gas has doubled.

    Way, way off base - gas prices dipped for a couple of months after the market collapse, but the average price of a gallon of regular in September, 2008 was $3.65.  Today, it's $3.47.  FYI, when Bush took office it was $1.46.

    He hasn't met with Congressional leaders in SIX MONTHS.

    Don't have anything to say on that one.

    He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in NINE MONTHS.

    He's already submitted his jobs plan to congress.  It would have added two million jobs and would have ensured that soldiers coming back from war get the training they need to adapt back into the workplace.  It had bipartisan support in the house, and had 58 votes in the Senate.  But guess what?  It failed with an anonymous pocket veto by some Republican senator.  This is where your anger should be directed.

    He chose to go on The View, David Letterman and have a fundraiser with JayZ and Beyonce the same week he told Netanyahu that he didnt have time to see him.

    I don't like that either, but it's hard to fault somebody for campaigning hard in a race this tight.  

    Beghazi cover up.

    This has been disproven in other threads - the only thing I'll say about it here is that the CIA backs up all the white house claims.  So if you think there's a cover up, then you think David Petraeus is involved.  And if you think the coverup was meant to paint the incident as a non-terrorist attack, then you have to question Obama's choice of words in the following days.  Petraeus was in on it but Obama was not?

    Fast and Furious cover up.

    I'm not aware of any cover up - I did think the operation was mis-handled.

    The price per gallon of gasoline has doubled.

    See above.

    Cash for clunkers.

    Hugely successful program for a struggling auto industry.

    Obamacare....we had to pass it before we could read it...it promised to lower medical costs but instead increased our costs by $2500 per family.

    Wrong again - the average share for a family plan paid by workers has increased $319 since 2010.  The biggest drop in your premiums will occur in 2014 when the mandate takes effect.  BTW, this isn't anything new - your health care premiums have been rising at a ridiculous rate for many years.  This is why we needed reform.

    Average household income down by $3000

    Yes, but families have also received nearly the same amount in tax relief.

    Under Obama we have had NO actual budget for Congress...it's the law that the US has an actual budget...under Obama it's not that important.

    Obama has submitted a budget, so that's an argument against Congress.

    Obama took $617 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare...sorry old people!!!

    Obamacare closes the donut hole, so it does benefit seniors.  And bottom line, Medicare remains mandatory spending under Obama, so there is no way for an "old person"s benefits to be reduced.  Under a voucher program, they are very, very vulnerable.

    $5 trillion in new debt including a $1 trillion stimulus bill that guaranteed us job creation.....and what do we have to show for that $5 trillion???  Nothing.

    Already addressed

    Over 100 rounds of golf!!!  4 hours per round..times 100, divided by 40....means he has golfed the equivalent of 10 work weeks since becoming President!!  Nice life huh??

    Fewer vacation days than both Bushes and Reagan at this point in their presidencies.

    He traveled to the Middle East and called America "Arrogant!!"

    He's got the whole world on his side, and China and Russia putting pressure on Iran.

    Congressional leaders including Democrats constantly complain that Obama is not accessible and won't meet with them...he won't meet with world leaders...instead he gives speeches and complains and blames...he refuses to take responsibility and has been the most divisive President in modern history.....

    Last point on bi-partisanship.  Obama entered office with what should have been a fillibuster-proof majority, but because Byrd and Kennedy were sick, and the Franken win was contested, it never really materialized.  As such, not a single bill was passed in the past four years without at least 3 Republican votes.  This is unprecedented.  The three that voted with Obama were Snowe, Collins & Specter, and eventually Brown on Dodd-Frank.  Specter was forced to switch parties.  Snowe is so dis-illusioned with the modern Republican party that she is not going to run again.  Brown looks like he will be defeated.

    With unprecedented use of the fillibuster, the GOP has not allowed a single vote with fewer than 60 Yeas.  There were more than 20 such votes in the Bush years, including 8 votes in which Dick Cheney cast the tying vote.  Joe Biden has never cast a tying vote - the Republican minority won't allow it, when they can use the cowardly pocket veto.  The Republicans are the ones who have to go.

    NONE OF US CAN AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  Romney isn't perfect but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....voting Obama back in is insane.

    For the sake of Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Republicans.....we have to fire Obama and change this awful direction that the country is moving in.

    This doesn't mean that Obama isn't a nice guy, he's just in over his head and has demonstrated a reluctance and inability to be an effective President.  It's okay, not everybody is right for every job. 

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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    In response to slomag's comment:
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    In response to macnh1's comment:

    OK, let's take it one at a time ...


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    Obama's record:

    23 million people out of work, the lowest percentage of Americans in the work force since 1961.

    There are about 12 million people officially unemployed.  To get to 23 million you have to include the underemployed and those no longer in the labor force.  Doing so is a first, which means you cannot compare the numbers historically.

    Obama's most important job is the security of our nation.....he only attends 57% of his daily security briefings including skipping the 5 days before AND his 9/11 briefing.  (Bush and Clinton essentially never missed those briefings.)

    If this is an issue for you, that's fine, but communication has come a long way in the last 12 years, and from a foreign attacks perspective, the results of the Obama admnistration outshine both former presidents you mention.

    The national debt was at $9.6 trillion with a budget deficit of $500 billion annually when he took office....in just four years Obama has increased the budget deficit annually to $1.1 TRILLION and risen the national debt to $16 trillion, promising to go to $21 trillion if re-elected...at the moment that is almost $52,000 owed per person in America to repay our national debt. ($200k for just MY household)

    Terribly off base - Bush was not putting the wars in the budget!  The actual budget deficit was 1.2 trillion when the wars were factored in and the national debt was 10.7 trillion!.  1.2 trillion times four years is 4.8 trillion, meaning if there was no stimulus at all, and Obama had simply left the status quo, we would have a 15.5 trillion debt!

    The credit rating of the United States has been downgraded TWICE under Obama for the first time ever.

    True, but the reasons for the downgrade were 1) Congress playing games with the debt ceiling and 2) stimulus measures taken by the Fed.  You can blame the president, but keep in mind the Fed would normally stimulate the economy by cutting interest rates, but they were already at zero when Obama walked through the door.

    Due to Obama's indifference and our weak economy we are seen as weak around the world.

    Look around at the rest of the world - the US has weathered the storm far better than most.

    Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

    Fallout from the recession - I don't begrudge anybody who needed food or assistance the past four years.  BTW, did you know that during the Bush years, food stamp enrollment went up 100%?  That was during a boom!

    Since entering office the price of gas has doubled.

    Way, way off base - gas prices dipped for a couple of months after the market collapse, but the average price of a gallon of regular in September, 2008 was $3.65.  Today, it's $3.47.  FYI, when Bush took office it was $1.46.

    He hasn't met with Congressional leaders in SIX MONTHS.

    Don't have anything to say on that one.

    He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in NINE MONTHS.

    He's already submitted his jobs plan to congress.  It would have added two million jobs and would have ensured that soldiers coming back from war get the training they need to adapt back into the workplace.  It had bipartisan support in the house, and had 58 votes in the Senate.  But guess what?  It failed with an anonymous pocket veto by some Republican senator.  This is where your anger should be directed.

    He chose to go on The View, David Letterman and have a fundraiser with JayZ and Beyonce the same week he told Netanyahu that he didnt have time to see him.

    I don't like that either, but it's hard to fault somebody for campaigning hard in a race this tight.  

    Beghazi cover up.

    This has been disproven in other threads - the only thing I'll say about it here is that the CIA backs up all the white house claims.  So if you think there's a cover up, then you think David Petraeus is involved.  And if you think the coverup was meant to paint the incident as a non-terrorist attack, then you have to question Obama's choice of words in the following days.  Petraeus was in on it but Obama was not?

    Fast and Furious cover up.

    I'm not aware of any cover up - I did think the operation was mis-handled.

    The price per gallon of gasoline has doubled.

    See above.

    Cash for clunkers.

    Hugely successful program for a struggling auto industry.

    Obamacare....we had to pass it before we could read it...it promised to lower medical costs but instead increased our costs by $2500 per family.

    Wrong again - the average share for a family plan paid by workers has increased $319 since 2010.  The biggest drop in your premiums will occur in 2014 when the mandate takes effect.  BTW, this isn't anything new - your health care premiums have been rising at a ridiculous rate for many years.  This is why we needed reform.

    Average household income down by $3000

    Yes, but families have also received nearly the same amount in tax relief.

    Under Obama we have had NO actual budget for Congress...it's the law that the US has an actual budget...under Obama it's not that important.

    Obama has submitted a budget, so that's an argument against Congress.

    Obama took $617 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare...sorry old people!!!

    Obamacare closes the donut hole, so it does benefit seniors.  And bottom line, Medicare remains mandatory spending under Obama, so there is no way for an "old person"s benefits to be reduced.  Under a voucher program, they are very, very vulnerable.

    $5 trillion in new debt including a $1 trillion stimulus bill that guaranteed us job creation.....and what do we have to show for that $5 trillion???  Nothing.

    Already addressed

    Over 100 rounds of golf!!!  4 hours per round..times 100, divided by 40....means he has golfed the equivalent of 10 work weeks since becoming President!!  Nice life huh??

    Fewer vacation days than both Bushes and Reagan at this point in their presidencies.

    He traveled to the Middle East and called America "Arrogant!!"

    He's got the whole world on his side, and China and Russia putting pressure on Iran.

    Congressional leaders including Democrats constantly complain that Obama is not accessible and won't meet with them...he won't meet with world leaders...instead he gives speeches and complains and blames...he refuses to take responsibility and has been the most divisive President in modern history.....

    Last point on bi-partisanship.  Obama entered office with what should have been a fillibuster-proof majority, but because Byrd and Kennedy were sick, and the Franken win was contested, it never really materialized.  As such, not a single bill was passed in the past four years without at least 3 Republican votes.  This is unprecedented.  The three that voted with Obama were Snowe, Collins & Specter, and eventually Brown on Dodd-Frank.  Specter was forced to switch parties.  Snowe is so dis-illusioned with the modern Republican party that she is not going to run again.  Brown looks like he will be defeated.

    With unprecedented use of the fillibuster, the GOP has not allowed a single vote with fewer than 60 Yeas.  There were more than 20 such votes in the Bush years, including 8 votes in which Dick Cheney cast the tying vote.  Joe Biden has never cast a tying vote - the Republican minority won't allow it, when they can use the cowardly pocket veto.  The Republicans are the ones who have to go.

    NONE OF US CAN AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  Romney isn't perfect but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....voting Obama back in is insane.

    For the sake of Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Republicans.....we have to fire Obama and change this awful direction that the country is moving in.

    This doesn't mean that Obama isn't a nice guy, he's just in over his head and has demonstrated a reluctance and inability to be an effective President.  It's okay, not everybody is right for every job. 

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    The scary part is I think you actually beleive your dribble.

    All you have is blame Bush and things will be better in a second term.  Not much of a reason to vote for Obama.

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    It really does go back to the empty chair.

    Recent analysis of the campaign ad messaging showed that the Obama campaign ran negative ads 86% of the time compared to Romney's 72%; both of these are well over that last campaign average of 58%.  Obama has been hitting hard on divisive negative meassaging since just before the RNC; because he has no plan going forward and little to tout as accomplishments over the past 4 years.  Romney went negative to catch up with Obama but never to the degree of the personal attacks; sure the SuperPacs are divisive on both sides. 

    Romney has a pla;n albeit light on detail along with a vision of how to effectuate change as he's done it before while building consensus.

    Obama lacks a plan except that he says I just need more time; well the President best said it himself; if I can't fix this is 3 years then this is a one term Presidency - yes it is.

     

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    In response to skeeter20's comment:
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    In response to slomag's comment:
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    In response to macnh1's comment:

    OK, let's take it one at a time ...


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    Obama's record:

    23 million people out of work, the lowest percentage of Americans in the work force since 1961.

    There are about 12 million people officially unemployed.  To get to 23 million you have to include the underemployed and those no longer in the labor force.  Doing so is a first, which means you cannot compare the numbers historically.

    Obama's most important job is the security of our nation.....he only attends 57% of his daily security briefings including skipping the 5 days before AND his 9/11 briefing.  (Bush and Clinton essentially never missed those briefings.)

    If this is an issue for you, that's fine, but communication has come a long way in the last 12 years, and from a foreign attacks perspective, the results of the Obama admnistration outshine both former presidents you mention.

    The national debt was at $9.6 trillion with a budget deficit of $500 billion annually when he took office....in just four years Obama has increased the budget deficit annually to $1.1 TRILLION and risen the national debt to $16 trillion, promising to go to $21 trillion if re-elected...at the moment that is almost $52,000 owed per person in America to repay our national debt. ($200k for just MY household)

    Terribly off base - Bush was not putting the wars in the budget!  The actual budget deficit was 1.2 trillion when the wars were factored in and the national debt was 10.7 trillion!.  1.2 trillion times four years is 4.8 trillion, meaning if there was no stimulus at all, and Obama had simply left the status quo, we would have a 15.5 trillion debt!

    The credit rating of the United States has been downgraded TWICE under Obama for the first time ever.

    True, but the reasons for the downgrade were 1) Congress playing games with the debt ceiling and 2) stimulus measures taken by the Fed.  You can blame the president, but keep in mind the Fed would normally stimulate the economy by cutting interest rates, but they were already at zero when Obama walked through the door.

    Due to Obama's indifference and our weak economy we are seen as weak around the world.

    Look around at the rest of the world - the US has weathered the storm far better than most.

    Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

    Fallout from the recession - I don't begrudge anybody who needed food or assistance the past four years.  BTW, did you know that during the Bush years, food stamp enrollment went up 100%?  That was during a boom!

    Since entering office the price of gas has doubled.

    Way, way off base - gas prices dipped for a couple of months after the market collapse, but the average price of a gallon of regular in September, 2008 was $3.65.  Today, it's $3.47.  FYI, when Bush took office it was $1.46.

    He hasn't met with Congressional leaders in SIX MONTHS.

    Don't have anything to say on that one.

    He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in NINE MONTHS.

    He's already submitted his jobs plan to congress.  It would have added two million jobs and would have ensured that soldiers coming back from war get the training they need to adapt back into the workplace.  It had bipartisan support in the house, and had 58 votes in the Senate.  But guess what?  It failed with an anonymous pocket veto by some Republican senator.  This is where your anger should be directed.

    He chose to go on The View, David Letterman and have a fundraiser with JayZ and Beyonce the same week he told Netanyahu that he didnt have time to see him.

    I don't like that either, but it's hard to fault somebody for campaigning hard in a race this tight.  

    Beghazi cover up.

    This has been disproven in other threads - the only thing I'll say about it here is that the CIA backs up all the white house claims.  So if you think there's a cover up, then you think David Petraeus is involved.  And if you think the coverup was meant to paint the incident as a non-terrorist attack, then you have to question Obama's choice of words in the following days.  Petraeus was in on it but Obama was not?

    Fast and Furious cover up.

    I'm not aware of any cover up - I did think the operation was mis-handled.

    The price per gallon of gasoline has doubled.

    See above.

    Cash for clunkers.

    Hugely successful program for a struggling auto industry.

    Obamacare....we had to pass it before we could read it...it promised to lower medical costs but instead increased our costs by $2500 per family.

    Wrong again - the average share for a family plan paid by workers has increased $319 since 2010.  The biggest drop in your premiums will occur in 2014 when the mandate takes effect.  BTW, this isn't anything new - your health care premiums have been rising at a ridiculous rate for many years.  This is why we needed reform.

    Average household income down by $3000

    Yes, but families have also received nearly the same amount in tax relief.

    Under Obama we have had NO actual budget for Congress...it's the law that the US has an actual budget...under Obama it's not that important.

    Obama has submitted a budget, so that's an argument against Congress.

    Obama took $617 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare...sorry old people!!!

    Obamacare closes the donut hole, so it does benefit seniors.  And bottom line, Medicare remains mandatory spending under Obama, so there is no way for an "old person"s benefits to be reduced.  Under a voucher program, they are very, very vulnerable.

    $5 trillion in new debt including a $1 trillion stimulus bill that guaranteed us job creation.....and what do we have to show for that $5 trillion???  Nothing.

    Already addressed

    Over 100 rounds of golf!!!  4 hours per round..times 100, divided by 40....means he has golfed the equivalent of 10 work weeks since becoming President!!  Nice life huh??

    Fewer vacation days than both Bushes and Reagan at this point in their presidencies.

    He traveled to the Middle East and called America "Arrogant!!"

    He's got the whole world on his side, and China and Russia putting pressure on Iran.

    Congressional leaders including Democrats constantly complain that Obama is not accessible and won't meet with them...he won't meet with world leaders...instead he gives speeches and complains and blames...he refuses to take responsibility and has been the most divisive President in modern history.....

    Last point on bi-partisanship.  Obama entered office with what should have been a fillibuster-proof majority, but because Byrd and Kennedy were sick, and the Franken win was contested, it never really materialized.  As such, not a single bill was passed in the past four years without at least 3 Republican votes.  This is unprecedented.  The three that voted with Obama were Snowe, Collins & Specter, and eventually Brown on Dodd-Frank.  Specter was forced to switch parties.  Snowe is so dis-illusioned with the modern Republican party that she is not going to run again.  Brown looks like he will be defeated.

    With unprecedented use of the fillibuster, the GOP has not allowed a single vote with fewer than 60 Yeas.  There were more than 20 such votes in the Bush years, including 8 votes in which Dick Cheney cast the tying vote.  Joe Biden has never cast a tying vote - the Republican minority won't allow it, when they can use the cowardly pocket veto.  The Republicans are the ones who have to go.

    NONE OF US CAN AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  Romney isn't perfect but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....voting Obama back in is insane.

    For the sake of Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Republicans.....we have to fire Obama and change this awful direction that the country is moving in.

    This doesn't mean that Obama isn't a nice guy, he's just in over his head and has demonstrated a reluctance and inability to be an effective President.  It's okay, not everybody is right for every job. 

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    The scary part is I think you actually beleive your dribble.

    All you have is blame Bush and things will be better in a second term.  Not much of a reason to vote for Obama.

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    After all the time you put into your post, and all the time I put into my reply, this is what you come back with?  

    You don't have to take my word for it - go to any fact check web site, and they'll tell you the same.  Check your unemployment numbers.  Find a year over year gas price chart.  Check the congressional voting records - find one bill that's passed in Obama's four years that did not have a Republican vote.  Think for yourself!

     

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:
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    It really does go back to the empty chair.

    Recent analysis of the campaign ad messaging showed that the Obama campaign ran negative ads 86% of the time compared to Romney's 72%; both of these are well over that last campaign average of 58%.  Obama has been hitting hard on divisive negative meassaging since just before the RNC; because he has no plan going forward and little to tout as accomplishments over the past 4 years.  Romney went negative to catch up with Obama but never to the degree of the personal attacks; sure the SuperPacs are divisive on both sides. 

    Romney has a pla;n albeit light on detail along with a vision of how to effectuate change as he's done it before while building consensus.

    Obama lacks a plan except that he says I just need more time; well the President best said it himself; if I can't fix this is 3 years then this is a one term Presidency - yes it is.

     

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    My assumption is that Romney is a moderate, but you can't know for sure.  MA wouldn't tolerate a "severe conservative" as Governor.  Nobody thinks Romney's dumb - he did what he had to in MA, but that's not a guarantee that he's a bi-partisan moderate.

    And again, the 2000 election was the closest in my lifetime.  And immediately the Dems in congress stood behind President Bush to pass No Child Left Behind - his signature education legislation.  2008 was a landslide, and the Republicans fillibustered everything.  They were rewarded for it in 2010.  If they win the presidency for it in 2012, why should Dems work with Republicans on any issue at all?

     

     

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

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    In response to skeeter20's comment:
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    In response to macnh1's comment:

    OK, let's take it one at a time ...


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    Obama's record:

    23 million people out of work, the lowest percentage of Americans in the work force since 1961.

    There are about 12 million people officially unemployed.  To get to 23 million you have to include the underemployed and those no longer in the labor force.  Doing so is a first, which means you cannot compare the numbers historically.

    Obama's most important job is the security of our nation.....he only attends 57% of his daily security briefings including skipping the 5 days before AND his 9/11 briefing.  (Bush and Clinton essentially never missed those briefings.)

    If this is an issue for you, that's fine, but communication has come a long way in the last 12 years, and from a foreign attacks perspective, the results of the Obama admnistration outshine both former presidents you mention.

    The national debt was at $9.6 trillion with a budget deficit of $500 billion annually when he took office....in just four years Obama has increased the budget deficit annually to $1.1 TRILLION and risen the national debt to $16 trillion, promising to go to $21 trillion if re-elected...at the moment that is almost $52,000 owed per person in America to repay our national debt. ($200k for just MY household)

    Terribly off base - Bush was not putting the wars in the budget!  The actual budget deficit was 1.2 trillion when the wars were factored in and the national debt was 10.7 trillion!.  1.2 trillion times four years is 4.8 trillion, meaning if there was no stimulus at all, and Obama had simply left the status quo, we would have a 15.5 trillion debt!

    The credit rating of the United States has been downgraded TWICE under Obama for the first time ever.

    True, but the reasons for the downgrade were 1) Congress playing games with the debt ceiling and 2) stimulus measures taken by the Fed.  You can blame the president, but keep in mind the Fed would normally stimulate the economy by cutting interest rates, but they were already at zero when Obama walked through the door.

    Due to Obama's indifference and our weak economy we are seen as weak around the world.

    Look around at the rest of the world - the US has weathered the storm far better than most.

    Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

    Fallout from the recession - I don't begrudge anybody who needed food or assistance the past four years.  BTW, did you know that during the Bush years, food stamp enrollment went up 100%?  That was during a boom!

    Since entering office the price of gas has doubled.

    Way, way off base - gas prices dipped for a couple of months after the market collapse, but the average price of a gallon of regular in September, 2008 was $3.65.  Today, it's $3.47.  FYI, when Bush took office it was $1.46.

    He hasn't met with Congressional leaders in SIX MONTHS.

    Don't have anything to say on that one.

    He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in NINE MONTHS.

    He's already submitted his jobs plan to congress.  It would have added two million jobs and would have ensured that soldiers coming back from war get the training they need to adapt back into the workplace.  It had bipartisan support in the house, and had 58 votes in the Senate.  But guess what?  It failed with an anonymous pocket veto by some Republican senator.  This is where your anger should be directed.

    He chose to go on The View, David Letterman and have a fundraiser with JayZ and Beyonce the same week he told Netanyahu that he didnt have time to see him.

    I don't like that either, but it's hard to fault somebody for campaigning hard in a race this tight.  

    Beghazi cover up.

    This has been disproven in other threads - the only thing I'll say about it here is that the CIA backs up all the white house claims.  So if you think there's a cover up, then you think David Petraeus is involved.  And if you think the coverup was meant to paint the incident as a non-terrorist attack, then you have to question Obama's choice of words in the following days.  Petraeus was in on it but Obama was not?

    Fast and Furious cover up.

    I'm not aware of any cover up - I did think the operation was mis-handled.

    The price per gallon of gasoline has doubled.

    See above.

    Cash for clunkers.

    Hugely successful program for a struggling auto industry.

    Obamacare....we had to pass it before we could read it...it promised to lower medical costs but instead increased our costs by $2500 per family.

    Wrong again - the average share for a family plan paid by workers has increased $319 since 2010.  The biggest drop in your premiums will occur in 2014 when the mandate takes effect.  BTW, this isn't anything new - your health care premiums have been rising at a ridiculous rate for many years.  This is why we needed reform.

    Average household income down by $3000

    Yes, but families have also received nearly the same amount in tax relief.

    Under Obama we have had NO actual budget for Congress...it's the law that the US has an actual budget...under Obama it's not that important.

    Obama has submitted a budget, so that's an argument against Congress.

    Obama took $617 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare...sorry old people!!!

    Obamacare closes the donut hole, so it does benefit seniors.  And bottom line, Medicare remains mandatory spending under Obama, so there is no way for an "old person"s benefits to be reduced.  Under a voucher program, they are very, very vulnerable.

    $5 trillion in new debt including a $1 trillion stimulus bill that guaranteed us job creation.....and what do we have to show for that $5 trillion???  Nothing.

    Already addressed

    Over 100 rounds of golf!!!  4 hours per round..times 100, divided by 40....means he has golfed the equivalent of 10 work weeks since becoming President!!  Nice life huh??

    Fewer vacation days than both Bushes and Reagan at this point in their presidencies.

    He traveled to the Middle East and called America "Arrogant!!"

    He's got the whole world on his side, and China and Russia putting pressure on Iran.

    Congressional leaders including Democrats constantly complain that Obama is not accessible and won't meet with them...he won't meet with world leaders...instead he gives speeches and complains and blames...he refuses to take responsibility and has been the most divisive President in modern history.....

    Last point on bi-partisanship.  Obama entered office with what should have been a fillibuster-proof majority, but because Byrd and Kennedy were sick, and the Franken win was contested, it never really materialized.  As such, not a single bill was passed in the past four years without at least 3 Republican votes.  This is unprecedented.  The three that voted with Obama were Snowe, Collins & Specter, and eventually Brown on Dodd-Frank.  Specter was forced to switch parties.  Snowe is so dis-illusioned with the modern Republican party that she is not going to run again.  Brown looks like he will be defeated.

    With unprecedented use of the fillibuster, the GOP has not allowed a single vote with fewer than 60 Yeas.  There were more than 20 such votes in the Bush years, including 8 votes in which Dick Cheney cast the tying vote.  Joe Biden has never cast a tying vote - the Republican minority won't allow it, when they can use the cowardly pocket veto.  The Republicans are the ones who have to go.

    NONE OF US CAN AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  Romney isn't perfect but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....voting Obama back in is insane.

    For the sake of Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Republicans.....we have to fire Obama and change this awful direction that the country is moving in.

    This doesn't mean that Obama isn't a nice guy, he's just in over his head and has demonstrated a reluctance and inability to be an effective President.  It's okay, not everybody is right for every job. 

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    The scary part is I think you actually beleive your dribble.

    All you have is blame Bush and things will be better in a second term.  Not much of a reason to vote for Obama.

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    After all the time you put into your post, and all the time I put into my reply, this is what you come back with?  

    You don't have to take my word for it - go to any fact check web site, and they'll tell you the same.  Check your unemployment numbers.  Find a year over year gas price chart.  Check the congressional voting records - find one bill that's passed in Obama's four years that did not have a Republican vote.  Think for yourself!

     

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    OK, point by point:

    Unemployment:  The real unemployment rate is 10.6% (same workforce participation), or 14.6% (U-6), not 7.9%, which is a completetly meaningless number in such a long resession.  

     

    Security briefings: I expect the president to be at 100% of those.  That liberals don't get this is telling.

    Debt/Deficit:  Running trillion dollar deficits. no end ini sight, no plan.  16 trillion headed to 20 trillion.  Anything Bush did doesn't excuse this gross incompetence.

    Credit Rating downgrade:  Squarely falls in Obama's lap.  he had the deal, he stiff-armed Bohner, Obama wouldn't cut the budget. Not that I think Bohner's plan is great.

    Food stamps and welfare:  Why the heck do we need an advertsiing program ofr this?  Taht and Jobs are the republican answer to food stamps.  something democrats seem unable to grasp.

    Gas prices: you are kidding, right? This is the only promise Obama really has delivered on, raising gas prices to cripple the ability of the middle class to get to work using cars.  Both Obama and Chu are on record wanting this.

    The various coverups:  Only a blind man wouldn't see the cover up in Bengazi and F&F.

    The rest, well, I'm out of time.  Suffice it to say the proof is in the pudding.  The economy sux, our healthcare system is ruined, we have $4,000 less income per family, and 10% unemployment is the new normal.

    Do you really want to run on that?

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    In response to macnh1's comment:
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    Obama's record:

    23 million people out of work, the lowest percentage of Americans in the work force since 1961.

    Obama's most important job is the security of our nation.....he only attends 57% of his daily security briefings including skipping the 5 days before AND his 9/11 briefing.  (Bush and Clinton essentially never missed those briefings.)

    The national debt was at $9.6 trillion with a budget deficit of $500 billion annually when he took office....in just four years Obama has increased the budget deficit annually to $1.1 TRILLION and risen the national debt to $16 trillion, promising to go to $21 trillion if re-elected...at the moment that is almost $52,000 owed per person in America to repay our national debt. ($200k for just MY household)

    The credit rating of the United States has been downgraded TWICE under Obama for the first time ever.

    Due to Obama's indifference and our weak economy we are seen as weak around the world.

    Millions more on food stamps and welfare.

    Since entering office the price of gas has doubled.

    He hasn't met with Congressional leaders in SIX MONTHS.

    He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in NINE MONTHS.

    He chose to go on The View, David Letterman and have a fundraiser with JayZ and Beyonce the same week he told Netanyahu that he didnt have time to see him.

    Beghazi cover up.

    Fast and Furious cover up.

    The price per gallon of gasoline has doubled.

    Cash for clunkers.

    Obamacare....we had to pass it before we could read it...it promised to lower medical costs but instead increased our costs by $2500 per family.

    Average household income down by $3000

    Under Obama we have had NO actual budget for Congress...it's the law that the US has an actual budget...under Obama it's not that important.

    Obama took $617 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare...sorry old people!!!

    $5 trillion in new debt including a $1 trillion stimulus bill that guaranteed us job creation.....and what do we have to show for that $5 trillion???  Nothing.

    Over 100 rounds of golf!!!  4 hours per round..times 100, divided by 40....means he has golfed the equivalent of 10 work weeks since becoming President!!  Nice life huh??

    He traveled to the Middle East and called America "Arrogant!!"

    Congressional leaders including Democrats constantly complain that Obama is not accessible and won't meet with them...he won't meet with world leaders...instead he gives speeches and complains and blames...he refuses to take responsibility and has been the most divisive President in modern history.....

    NONE OF US CAN AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  Romney isn't perfect but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result....voting Obama back in is insane.

    For the sake of Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Republicans.....we have to fire Obama and change this awful direction that the country is moving in.

    This doesn't mean that Obama isn't a nice guy, he's just in over his head and has demonstrated a reluctance and inability to be an effective President.  It's okay, not everybody is right for every job. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Don't worry - Mac was wrong big time in 08 - if he supports Rommney - I feel very comfortable the President will be re-elected

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    The case for re-electing Obama = macnh

    That was easy.

     

     
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    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    And then he had to go and take care of Osama.

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    When Obama called the Navy Seals and asked for Osama; they delivered.

    When the Seals in Libya called to ask for help they were denied!

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from slomag. Show slomag's posts

    Re: The case for firing Obama....

    OK, point by point:

    Unemployment:  The real unemployment rate is 10.6% (same workforce participation), or 14.6% (U-6), not 7.9%, which is a completetly meaningless number in such a long resession.  

    I don't care what number you use - just be consistent.  The U-6 number was as high as 14.2% under Bush and 20% under Reagan.  It's always higher than the U-3.  Yours is not an honest argument.

    Security briefings: I expect the president to be at 100% of those.  That liberals don't get this is telling.

    Fair enough - if this is important to you, it's a valid consideration when casting your vote.

    Debt/Deficit:  Running trillion dollar deficits. no end ini sight, no plan.  16 trillion headed to 20 trillion.  Anything Bush did doesn't excuse this gross incompetence.

    Bush added 1.3 trillion to the deficit.  Obama shaved 100 million off the deficit.  No informed, rational, fair-minded person blames Obama for the national debt.

    Credit Rating downgrade:  Squarely falls in Obama's lap.  he had the deal, he stiff-armed Bohner, Obama wouldn't cut the budget. Not that I think Bohner's plan is great.

    There's no way to know where the deal fell through, but no Dems have signed an oath to never cut government spending.

    Food stamps and welfare:  Why the heck do we need an advertsiing program ofr this?  Taht and Jobs are the republican answer to food stamps.  something democrats seem unable to grasp.

    The program helps Americans not starve to death. Why would you want to keep it a secret? Some of these people will pull themselves up and become taxpayers and contributors in our society.  George Romney was once on wellfare for crying out loud.  But even the laziest, most obnoxious American, I don't want to see starve to death.

    Gas prices: you are kidding, right? This is the only promise Obama really has delivered on, raising gas prices to cripple the ability of the middle class to get to work using cars.  Both Obama and Chu are on record wanting this.

    http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html

    The various coverups:  Only a blind man wouldn't see the cover up in Bengazi and F&F.

    Then Romney's blind, because he ran from the issue as fast as he could.

    The rest, well, I'm out of time.  Suffice it to say the proof is in the pudding.  The economy sux, our healthcare system is ruined, we have $4,000 less income per family, and 10% unemployment is the new normal.

    Everything is improving.  If Romney wins, he doesn't have to do anything - just kick back and wait for the new numbers, and claim credit (like the auto bailout).  Even conservatives like Kudlow see the writing on the wall - everybody is optimistic.

    Do you really want to run on that?

     

     

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