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Hypocrites? Weak.

The Catholic church, especially the pope, are also mass murderers. Just look at what their lawyers are arguing in court!

I was born and raised Catholic and my faith is very important to me. Unlike some people however, I am able to separate my faith in God with the politics of the Church.

The history of the Catholic church is not one of kindness and benevolence. It is one of violence and judgment. The fact that Vatican city is the city of Gold doesn't really jibe much with their mission.  People confuse the Catholic Church with Christian faith all too often. There are many other Christian religions which are more closely aligned with the teachings of the bible.

Well once again you are wrong.  I don't get involved in the politics of the church.  When you come to the board blaming the church for some mistake, then you need to be explained the policies of the church.

The church does not operate on patients and does not even require the doctors to be catholic.  Even in the 50's, some doctors chose the mother over the baby and the church stood strong that the baby is to be saved over the mother.

The Church is not all about business.  When they had complete control over their hospitals, many were treated and never charged.  The cost of a grammar school education up thru the 70's was around $100.00 per year and many were not even charged. Even now people often get married and buried from the church without being charged.

I have no issue with you bad mouthing or hating the church, but be consistent and put in your will that when you pass away, you wish to get buried from a hall and not a church.  I get a kick out the"former" catholics who want to get married and buried from the church and have their kids baptized..

1) Just in case there was a doubt in anyone's mind how little Catholic Church values women.

2) What Catholic School did you go to? The cost of grammer school at a Catholic school was more like $1000-1500 in the 70's.

To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization.

It would be easier for you to name the school which cost this much.  I can tell you that the catholic high school which I attended was $325.00 per year when I started and $550.00 when I graduated in the mid 70's.  Many Catholic High's such as St Columkille in Brighton and Newton Catholic were under $500.00 per year as of 1977.

The grammar school of which I graduated in the early 70's was in the $100.00 range per year and less for families with multiple kids attending.

Education was still cheap up to the early 80's.  Boston State was roughly $600.00 per year in 1976.  I graduated from NU in 1981 and paid $4,000.00 for that  year or in that ball park for the fact checkers.

That is hard to believe. I checked with my mum yesterday. I went to Immaculate Conception for 8 yrs. She said by the time I left in 1976 the tuition was over $1100 a year. She couldn't remember exactly but she said it was never lower then $600.

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

What I am telling you is the Catholic Church will baptize anyone, despite how they are born or where they are born or how old they are. Many cathoics are lazy about their faith and are considered "twice a year Catholics".  Perhaps your cousin did not like the Priest and he decided not to go thru with the sacrament.  If this was the case then he could go to another parish.

Now run along to your mom and ask her what she thinks about that.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools.  The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

What I am telling you is the Catholic Church will baptize anyone, despite how they are born or where they are born or how old they are. Many cathoics are lazy about their faith and are considered "twice a year Catholics".  Perhaps your cousin did not like the Priest and he decided not to go thru with the sacrament.  If this was the case then he could go to another parish.

Now run along to your mom and ask her what she thinks about that.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools.  The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools. The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

Do you have a link for this data?

I know for fact that my parents paid $100.00 a month in the 70's for me to attend catholic school in the Boston area.  I do know that family members of firefighters and Boston cops got a discount for attending the catholic schools, perhaps this was your case.

And what kids in grammar school discuss tuition? Or high school for that matter? You are so full of cocky

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

What I am telling you is the Catholic Church will baptize anyone, despite how they are born or where they are born or how old they are. Many cathoics are lazy about their faith and are considered "twice a year Catholics".  Perhaps your cousin did not like the Priest and he decided not to go thru with the sacrament.  If this was the case then he could go to another parish.

Now run along to your mom and ask her what she thinks about that.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools.  The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools. The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

Do you have a link for this data?

I know for fact that my parents paid $100.00 a month in the 70's for me to attend catholic school in the Boston area.  I do know that family members of firefighters and Boston cops got a discount for attending the catholic schools, perhaps this was your case.

And what kids in grammar school discuss tuition? Or high school for that matter? You are so full of cocky

Thank you! I was starting to think it was me! Tuition was the last thing on my mind as a kid!

Stand by for his token lines.

the point of the tuition discussion was to explain to miscricket that the church isnt all about business.  possibly immaculate in newburyport charged more.  that school doesnt fall under the boston diocese..  lots of factors detrrmined tuition such as weekly donations and economic make up.  i know for years i gave donations to my high school.

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

What I am telling you is the Catholic Church will baptize anyone, despite how they are born or where they are born or how old they are. Many cathoics are lazy about their faith and are considered "twice a year Catholics".  Perhaps your cousin did not like the Priest and he decided not to go thru with the sacrament.  If this was the case then he could go to another parish.

Now run along to your mom and ask her what she thinks about that.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools.  The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools. The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

Do you have a link for this data?

I know for fact that my parents paid $100.00 a month in the 70's for me to attend catholic school in the Boston area.  I do know that family members of firefighters and Boston cops got a discount for attending the catholic schools, perhaps this was your case.

And what kids in grammar school discuss tuition? Or high school for that matter? You are so full of cocky

Thank you! I was starting to think it was me! Tuition was the last thing on my mind as a kid!

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the point of the tuition discussion was to explain to miscricket that the church isnt all about business.  possibly immaculate in newburyport charged more.  that school doesnt fall under the boston diocese..  lots of factors detrrmined tuition such as weekly donations and economic make up.  i know for years i gave donations to my high school.

Jackbu thinks he's the Pope.

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

What I am telling you is the Catholic Church will baptize anyone, despite how they are born or where they are born or how old they are. Many cathoics are lazy about their faith and are considered "twice a year Catholics".  Perhaps your cousin did not like the Priest and he decided not to go thru with the sacrament.  If this was the case then he could go to another parish.

Now run along to your mom and ask her what she thinks about that.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools.  The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools. The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

Do you have a link for this data?

I know for fact that my parents paid $100.00 a month in the 70's for me to attend catholic school in the Boston area.  I do know that family members of firefighters and Boston cops got a discount for attending the catholic schools, perhaps this was your case.

And what kids in grammar school discuss tuition? Or high school for that matter? You are so full of cocky

Thank you! I was starting to think it was me! Tuition was the last thing on my mind as a kid!

I could not tell you how much my grandmother paid for tuition for me to go to a Catholic School. I can tell you that she was on a monthly plan..and that if she was a couple of days late with sending the check..I would get called out of class to go to the principal's office where I would sit while she called my grandmother.  I can also tell you that it was more than $100  a year..although granted it was a few years later than the mid 1970's.

I can also tell you that my 3rd grade teacher..a nun..routinely pounded on the backs of the boys. When I was in 4th grade..she pushed a student down the stairs. After that..we didn't see her anymore.

I don't think those things are a reflection of the Church..I think they are just a reflection of the individuals involved. But..I also think that the Church can't have it both ways. They can't run profitable businesses...but then hide behind Church doctrine when it is convenient. There should be consistency.

Of course beyond those things...I had a great experience and made many friendships which are still in place today.

Well again, naming the school seems to be a difficulty on this board.  Again from the 1,000 emails of which you sent to me, I don't think you went to school in the arch diocese of Boston and I am pretty sure you did not go to grammar school at all during the 70's.  At the beginning of the 80's and even late 70's, the tuition in Boston Schools increased quickly as the nuns retired and were replaced by lay teachers.

But I will be waiting for you to contradict yourself and now tell me you went to school in the boston area.

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My mum is one of the sharpest people I know. Do you never check with yours on matters of childhood? Didn't realize there was more then one Immaculate Conception. The one I went to was on the North Shore. No offence meant but maybe you were getting discounted tuition?

Irregardless the point is not worth aguing. Maybe you have fond memories of your Catholic upbringing but the times have changed and a Catholic education today comes with no breaks.

No discounted tuition.  I also played sports so I knew people from most of the Catholic Schools around Boston and the tuition thing was always dicussed.  Possibly your church was not in the Diocese of Boston.  But if you cannont remember the cost of your tuition without going to your Mom, then you should really stay out of the discussion.

"To add- I don't know a single person who gets married or buried in the Catholic Church without a hefty fee. My cousin, a lifelong member of a Catholic parish, could not even have his child baptized at their church. Why? because that child was the product of in vitro fertilization"

above by you.

I will call you on this as well.  If it were your child then I may debate you on this.  But people sometimes do not want to put the time and preparation into sacraments, so they avoid them.  Then they blame the church and their clown friends believe them.

Confirmation has been so much on the decline that it is no longer mandatory  and the church will now marry people without their getting this sacrament.

AYFKM? Are you for real? Listen buddy you seem to think you are an expert on the Catholic church. Is this you acknowledging you lost the debate b/c now you calling people clowns? With regards to my COUSIN there was no time and preparation to put in. The answer from the church was NO because the baby was born in vitro. You don't accept it? Too bad. Deal with it!

What I am telling you is the Catholic Church will baptize anyone, despite how they are born or where they are born or how old they are. Many cathoics are lazy about their faith and are considered "twice a year Catholics".  Perhaps your cousin did not like the Priest and he decided not to go thru with the sacrament.  If this was the case then he could go to another parish.

Now run along to your mom and ask her what she thinks about that.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools.  The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

The data I gave you on the tuition is solid and again it pertains to Boston area schools. The info I gave you on baptiam is solid as well.

Do you have a link for this data?

I know for fact that my parents paid $100.00 a month in the 70's for me to attend catholic school in the Boston area.  I do know that family members of firefighters and Boston cops got a discount for attending the catholic schools, perhaps this was your case.

And what kids in grammar school discuss tuition? Or high school for that matter? You are so full of cocky

Thank you! I was starting to think it was me! Tuition was the last thing on my mind as a kid!

I could not tell you how much my grandmother paid for tuition for me to go to a Catholic School. I can tell you that she was on a monthly plan..and that if she was a couple of days late with sending the check..I would get called out of class to go to the principal's office where I would sit while she called my grandmother.  I can also tell you that it was more than $100  a year..although granted it was a few years later than the mid 1970's.

I can also tell you that my 3rd grade teacher..a nun..routinely pounded on the backs of the boys. When I was in 4th grade..she pushed a student down the stairs. After that..we didn't see her anymore.

I don't think those things are a reflection of the Church..I think they are just a reflection of the individuals involved. But..I also think that the Church can't have it both ways. They can't run profitable businesses...but then hide behind Church doctrine when it is convenient. There should be consistency.

Of course beyond those things...I had a great experience and made many friendships which are still in place today.

Well again, naming the school seems to be a difficulty on this board.  Again from the 1,000 emails of which you sent to me, I don't think you went to school in the arch diocese of Boston and I am pretty sure you did not go to grammar school at all during the 70's.  At the beginning of the 80's and even late 70's, the tuition in Boston Schools increased quickly as the nuns retired and were replaced by lay teachers.

But I will be waiting for you to contradict yourself and now tell me you went to school in the boston area.

No where in  my post did I state that I went to school in or near Boston. I actually went to grammar school from 1974-1982..but if you think I am going to name the school I went to in a public discussion forum you are out of your mind. Really..once again..please work on your comprehension skills..it is tedious and tiring to explain things to you.

You seem fixated on the Boston Arch diocese..as if the Boston arch diocese represented the whole of the Catholic Church. When you participate in public discussion forums you should do it with the understanding that everyone brings different experiences. Perhaps once you grasp that concept..you will become a better blogger.

I agree that the cost of Catholic education increased dramatically when nuns were replaced with lay teachers...but even I find it hard to believe that tuition in any school was $100 for an entire year...unless it was a sibling discount.

Have a great night Jackbu..this conversation is cutting into my Big Bang Theory time..and therefore is going to take a back seat.

I am not fixated on the arch diocese of Boston, it is where I went to school so I know what the tuition costs were.  Get a hold of yourself, no one is going to track you down. Remember that I already passed on your request to meet.  If you are going to come to the board to try to disprove someone, you should back up your facts.

You always did have trouble following along. I was the one that said they went to school in the Boston Diocese. When you show me the link for your data on the tuition costs for your Catholic education, I'll tell you which school I attended. I'll leave you with this hint, we played against St Columbkille in basketball.