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    We get it....you hate WalMart...we get it...

     

    Is it really a surprise to you that people with food stamps would shop at WalMart? People who don't have food stamps shop at WalMart for the cheaper prices...so why wouldn't people on food stamps also shop there???

     



    I do hate Walmart, as should everyone with a conscience.

     

    Just about everyday we get a new thread here about how our 'Food Stamp President' is breaking all of the welfare records in a conspiracy to bribe voters.  The truth is we have record food stamps because companies like Walmart are exploiting us to pad their bottom line.  They are not alone, but they are the biggest, and their business model is spreading.

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    Right.  

    So, you hate a big monolithic comany that pretty much controls the lower end retail space, and delivers a product at a reasonable price to a willing market, and delivers on its core goal of offering a good value, without using tax dollars.

    Yet you love a big, monolithic health care system that controls what type of health care you receive, to a forced market, yet is expensive, consumes huge amounts of taxpayer dollars, and doesn't deliver on it's core goal of efficiency.

    What am I missing about your progressive lunacy?

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    Without using tax dollars?

    You really are a trip.  It tells its employees to get food stamps and enroll in Medicad or use the emergency room.  How are those not tax dollars?

    Hostility toward the poor really seems to be the only thing that Republicans stand for anymore.

     

     
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    Amazing that people don't get the connection between stagnant wages, low pay, and the toll those take on the public coffers.  When a company trains its employees to utlize public benefits not only is it acknowledging that its wages are low, but they are effectively forcing the government to subsidize their compensation packages for millions of workers.  You want to see the welfare rolls reduced then part of that solution is demanding a living wage.  Hell, Costco pays its workers well, provides benefits, and enjoys double digit revenue growth.  

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    Then the employees of WalMart should demand a living wage shouldn't they? Or go work for Costco.

    WalMart pays low because they can get away with it because the employees allow them to get away with it. If workers accept low pay then they have themselves to blame. Also, if you're so outraged at the low wages then maybe you should write your congressman about raising minimum wage....or start a grassroots campaign for higher wages.

     

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    The workers are doing just that, but amazingly they are countered by some people who think they simply perform jobs that trained monkeys could do!  They say things like "Oh yeah it's tough...having the cash register tell you the exact change to give the customer. Putting the bills in the correct slots...how do they do it? It's amazing." as justification for what ...artificially limiting hours to avoid having to provide benefits for workers, insanely low wages?  

    If a person makes minimum wage and that is their primary means of income then they will qualify for Food Stamps, medical benefits, housing assistance, etc...all the types of programs conservatives HATE, but will defend in this instance because they'd rather companies pay people poorly and still shut the door in their faces when they show up looking for a government assistance, for some reason.  The GOP should be out on front on this issue, not towing the line the Chamber of Commerce gives them.  

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    Ah...I see....so what I posted on BDC is preventing them from getting more money...gotcha...sigh

    Again...have you pressured your congressman/senator to raise minimum wage? Have you campaigned to get WalMart workers higher wages?

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    No need for a strawman, I never claimed your internet commentary had any sway, I simply pointed out that though you say they should press for better wages the prevailing argument always goes towards this idea that paying people a fair wage is a job killing proposition.  It can't be both ways and there is considerable evidence that shows broad benefits for society at large when people are paid a living wage.  

     
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    [QUOTE]Amazing that people don't get the connection between stagnant wages, low pay, and the toll those take on the public coffers.[/QUOTE]


    I think that most people do get that. What's amazing that people don't get that the economy is far more productive for everyone when it doesn't have to support a massive bureaucracy.

     
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    Amazing that people don't get the connection between stagnant wages, low pay, and the toll those take on the public coffers.  When a company trains its employees to utlize public benefits not only is it acknowledging that its wages are low, but they are effectively forcing the government to subsidize their compensation packages for millions of workers.  You want to see the welfare rolls reduced then part of that solution is demanding a living wage.  Hell, Costco pays its workers well, provides benefits, and enjoys double digit revenue growth.  

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    Then the employees of WalMart should demand a living wage shouldn't they? Or go work for Costco.

    WalMart pays low because they can get away with it because the employees allow them to get away with it. If workers accept low pay then they have themselves to blame. Also, if you're so outraged at the low wages then maybe you should write your congressman about raising minimum wage....or start a grassroots campaign for higher wages.

     

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    The workers are doing just that, but amazingly they are countered by some people who think they simply perform jobs that trained monkeys could do!  They say things like "Oh yeah it's tough...having the cash register tell you the exact change to give the customer. Putting the bills in the correct slots...how do they do it? It's amazing." as justification for what ...artificially limiting hours to avoid having to provide benefits for workers, insanely low wages?  

    If a person makes minimum wage and that is their primary means of income then they will qualify for Food Stamps, medical benefits, housing assistance, etc...all the types of programs conservatives HATE, but will defend in this instance because they'd rather companies pay people poorly and still shut the door in their faces when they show up looking for a government assistance, for some reason.  The GOP should be out on front on this issue, not towing the line the Chamber of Commerce gives them.  

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    Ah...I see....so what I posted on BDC is preventing them from getting more money...gotcha...sigh

    Again...have you pressured your congressman/senator to raise minimum wage? Have you campaigned to get WalMart workers higher wages?

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    No need for a strawman, I never claimed your internet commentary had any sway, I simply pointed out that though you say they should press for better wages the prevailing argument always goes towards this idea that paying people a fair wage is a job killing proposition.  It can't be both ways and there is considerable evidence that shows broad benefits for society at large when people are paid a living wage.  

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    If you don't push for more pay then you'll never get it.

    And I take it you have not contacted your reps to push for higher wages.

     
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    We get it....you hate WalMart...we get it...

     

    Is it really a surprise to you that people with food stamps would shop at WalMart? People who don't have food stamps shop at WalMart for the cheaper prices...so why wouldn't people on food stamps also shop there???

     



    I do hate Walmart, as should everyone with a conscience.

     

    Just about everyday we get a new thread here about how our 'Food Stamp President' is breaking all of the welfare records in a conspiracy to bribe voters.  The truth is we have record food stamps because companies like Walmart are exploiting us to pad their bottom line.  They are not alone, but they are the biggest, and their business model is spreading.

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    Right.  

    So, you hate a big monolithic comany that pretty much controls the lower end retail space, and delivers a product at a reasonable price to a willing market, and delivers on its core goal of offering a good value, without using tax dollars.

    Yet you love a big, monolithic health care system that controls what type of health care you receive, to a forced market, yet is expensive, consumes huge amounts of taxpayer dollars, and doesn't deliver on it's core goal of efficiency.

    What am I missing about your progressive lunacy?

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    Without using tax dollars?

    You really are a trip.  It tells its employees to get food stamps and enroll in Medicad or use the emergency room.  How are those not tax dollars?

    Hostility toward the poor really seems to be the only thing that Republicans stand for anymore.

     

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    Even at Costco salary (~ $15.60) a cashier would still likely have to be on food stamps and Medicaid. 

    The bottom line is a cashier just isn't going to get paid well....at any retail store. 

    What have you done to raise minimum wage???

     
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    We get it....you hate WalMart...we get it...

     

    Is it really a surprise to you that people with food stamps would shop at WalMart? People who don't have food stamps shop at WalMart for the cheaper prices...so why wouldn't people on food stamps also shop there???

     



    I do hate Walmart, as should everyone with a conscience.

     

    Just about everyday we get a new thread here about how our 'Food Stamp President' is breaking all of the welfare records in a conspiracy to bribe voters.  The truth is we have record food stamps because companies like Walmart are exploiting us to pad their bottom line.  They are not alone, but they are the biggest, and their business model is spreading.

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    Right.  

    So, you hate a big monolithic comany that pretty much controls the lower end retail space, and delivers a product at a reasonable price to a willing market, and delivers on its core goal of offering a good value, without using tax dollars.

    Yet you love a big, monolithic health care system that controls what type of health care you receive, to a forced market, yet is expensive, consumes huge amounts of taxpayer dollars, and doesn't deliver on it's core goal of efficiency.

    What am I missing about your progressive lunacy?

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    Without using tax dollars?

    You really are a trip.  It tells its employees to get food stamps and enroll in Medicad or use the emergency room.  How are those not tax dollars?

    Hostility toward the poor really seems to be the only thing that Republicans stand for anymore.

     

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    They are not tax dollars being used by Walmart.

    You would think that progressives would be cheeringthat Walmat SPENDS THEIR MONEY MAKING THEIR EMPLOYEES AWARE OF PROGRESSIVE HANDOUTS.

     

    It is the Obama administration that is hostile to the poor.  If the Obama administration really cared aboutthe poor, they wouldn't drive the economy into the ground so their is no opportunity for the poor.

     
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    We get it....you hate WalMart...we get it...

     

    Is it really a surprise to you that people with food stamps would shop at WalMart? People who don't have food stamps shop at WalMart for the cheaper prices...so why wouldn't people on food stamps also shop there???

     



    I do hate Walmart, as should everyone with a conscience.

     

    Just about everyday we get a new thread here about how our 'Food Stamp President' is breaking all of the welfare records in a conspiracy to bribe voters.  The truth is we have record food stamps because companies like Walmart are exploiting us to pad their bottom line.  They are not alone, but they are the biggest, and their business model is spreading.



    Right.  

    So, you hate a big monolithic comany that pretty much controls the lower end retail space, and delivers a product at a reasonable price to a willing market, and delivers on its core goal of offering a good value, without using tax dollars.

    Yet you love a big, monolithic health care system that controls what type of health care you receive, to a forced market, yet is expensive, consumes huge amounts of taxpayer dollars, and doesn't deliver on it's core goal of efficiency.

    What am I missing about your progressive lunacy?

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    Without using tax dollars?

    You really are a trip.  It tells its employees to get food stamps and enroll in Medicad or use the emergency room.  How are those not tax dollars?

    Hostility toward the poor really seems to be the only thing that Republicans stand for anymore.

     

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    Even at Costco salary (~ $15.60) a cashier would still likely have to be on food stamps and Medicaid. 

    The bottom line is a cashier just isn't going to get paid well....at any retail store. 

    What have you done to raise minimum wage???

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    Cashiers get paid what the economy says they are worth.  The economy says they are not worth much.  Why?  Becasue for every cashier out there, their are likely 5 people waiting for them to move on so they can take the job.

    When progressives get serious about fixing the economy instead of building their power base by holding the people and the economy down, then maybe, just maybe, there will be fewer people wanting to be cashiers, as they move up the job food chain, and the wages of cashiers will rise.

    That's how economics works.

    But, a general question:  can we get back to discussing health care, or do progressives admit that socialized medicine, in any of its forms, is a loser?

     
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    In the early 1900s, just about every coal mining town had a food and supply store that was owned by the coal mining company.  Workers would collect their paycheck and proptly give it back to the mining company at the company store.  Folk songs were written about 'owing your soul to the company store'

    Fast forward 100 years to Walmart and their Everyday Low Wages.  Reports have come out that as many as 80% of their hourly employees qualify for food stamps, and the company encourages and trains their employees to apply, as do many others.  Gotta socialize those costs!

    Well, as it turns out, Walmart has good reason to encourage food stamps because nearly 1 in 5 food stamp dollars is spent at Walmart.  18% of the $80 billion in food stamp dollars spent last year ended up in a Walmart cash register, with their own employees leading the charge.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/walmart-food-stamps_n_4181862.html

    Quite a racket. 

     

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    No. Poor people are just lazy stupid wastes of space. That's what the BDC right tells me.

     

    And the evidene that there is no war on the poor is that they haven't shot them all.

     
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    What have you done to raise minimum wage???

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    Vote for representatives who support it. 

    MA is drafting a bill now to do just that.

    And President Obama has called for the national minimum wage to go up, and align with inflation (see last SOTU speech).  Hopefully when the House goes back to blue, it will be put to a vote.  The GOP house today has a disdain for low wage workers, so it ain't happening now.

     

     

     

     
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    In the early 1900s, just about every coal mining town had a food and supply store that was owned by the coal mining company.  Workers would collect their paycheck and proptly give it back to the mining company at the company store.  Folk songs were written about 'owing your soul to the company store'

    Fast forward 100 years to Walmart and their Everyday Low Wages.  Reports have come out that as many as 80% of their hourly employees qualify for food stamps, and the company encourages and trains their employees to apply, as do many others.  Gotta socialize those costs!

    Well, as it turns out, Walmart has good reason to encourage food stamps because nearly 1 in 5 food stamp dollars is spent at Walmart.  18% of the $80 billion in food stamp dollars spent last year ended up in a Walmart cash register, with their own employees leading the charge.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/walmart-food-stamps_n_4181862.html

    Quite a racket. 

     

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    No. Poor people are just lazy stupid wastes of space. That's what the BDC right tells me.

     

    And the evidene that there is no war on the poor is that they haven't shot them all.

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    More lies...shocker

     
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    Sorry you're embarassed about being called out for your pathetic attempts at cyberbullying.

     
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    Wow, you are really reaching to protect Obama, I just think you are jealous that the US govt isn't smart enough to run things as well as Wal-mart.

    Why don't you chase down all the bad prctices by Dupont, GE, Apple, Nike, and the scores of Defense Contractors that make Wal-mart look like a penny-candy store.

    I know three or four people like you in my circle of aquaintences, you make enough money to boycott Wal-mart, and you walk around all high and mighty like you're better than everyone else because you don't believe in the "business model".

    Try struggling to feed your kids, or make your mortgage payment month-to-month on a tight budget. 

    You'll be shopping Wal-mart in no time, either that or you'll end up like a friend of mine.  He made the drastic escape to Vermont, sold his house, went off-grid with a cabin and solar panels, and now he eats dirt-sandwiches and fishes for trout in a stream.  claims he's never been happier.

    Do us all a favor, go join him......

     

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    Oh but see....the reason those people struggle to feed their kids or make their mortgage payment is that WalMart doesn't pay them enough. It's the fault of big bad WalMart that people chose to only equip themselves with enough skills to man a cash register. WalMart should pay these people $30/hr to put money into a cash drawer don't ya know...

     

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    Stand on your feet for 8 hours dealing with the public.  You might realize its tougher than you think, and certainly tougher than spending half the day as a hall monitor on a message board.

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    Oh yeah it's tough...having the cash register tell you the exact change to give the customer. Putting the bills in the correct slots...how do they do it? It's amazing...

     

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    Such hate for people you have deemed below your station, disgusting.

     
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    Are these people forced to work at Wal-Mart as part of Obamacare or something?

    Since the public education system went into the toilet and we have all these "free trade" agreements and the WTO, wages have taken a hit for sure. At some point, squeezing employee wages is counterproductive. 

    WalMart and Costco are two different companies in different businesses. The people working at Costco are not the same type of person getting minimum wage at WalMart. Those peole could ot get a job at Costco. So there is no point is the argument that Costco pays people well why doesn't Wal-Mart.

    Now, if there were no food stamp program, what would WalMart do? They might have to raise their wages to get people to work there? 

     
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    In the early 1900s, just about every coal mining town had a food and supply store that was owned by the coal mining company.  Workers would collect their paycheck and proptly give it back to the mining company at the company store.  Folk songs were written about 'owing your soul to the company store'

    Fast forward 100 years to Walmart and their Everyday Low Wages.  Reports have come out that as many as 80% of their hourly employees qualify for food stamps, and the company encourages and trains their employees to apply, as do many others.  Gotta socialize those costs!

    Well, as it turns out, Walmart has good reason to encourage food stamps because nearly 1 in 5 food stamp dollars is spent at Walmart.  18% of the $80 billion in food stamp dollars spent last year ended up in a Walmart cash register, with their own employees leading the charge.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/walmart-food-stamps_n_4181862.html

    Quite a racket. 

     

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    No. Poor people are just lazy stupid wastes of space. That's what the BDC right tells me.

     

    And the evidene that there is no war on the poor is that they haven't shot them all.

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    Actually, I think you are dangerously close to Obama's point of view.  After all, poor people can't be much different than old people. Check out the architect of Obamacare, Ezikiel Emannuel. Pretty disturbing stuff.

     
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    What have you done to raise minimum wage???

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    Vote for representatives who support it. 

    MA is drafting a bill now to do just that.

    And President Obama has called for the national minimum wage to go up, and align with inflation (see last SOTU speech).  Hopefully when the House goes back to blue, it will be put to a vote.  The GOP house today has a disdain for low wage workers, so it ain't happening now.

     

     

     

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    Well, that's a very stupid "planned economy" type of thing to do. It simply won't work.

    See you at Walmart!

     
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    Are these people forced to work at Wal-Mart as part of Obamacare or something?

    Since the public education system went into the toilet and we have all these "free trade" agreements and the WTO, wages have taken a hit for sure. At some point, squeezing employee wages is counterproductive. 

    WalMart and Costco are two different companies in different businesses. The people working at Costco are not the same type of person getting minimum wage at WalMart. Those peole could ot get a job at Costco. So there is no point is the argument that Costco pays people well why doesn't Wal-Mart.

    Now, if there were no food stamp program, what would WalMart do? They might have to raise their wages to get people to work there? 

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    No, they are not forced to work at Walmart, but they are forced to be part of Obamacare.

    that ought to cause some liberal heads to explode.

     
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