The Conservative Case For Gun Control

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    It amazes me how often the left goes to the gun control well, trying to convince us that they need to probe legal gun openers, limit types of guns for our own good, while completely ignoring illegal gun owners.

    something tells me this is more about effectively eliminating our rights to protect ourselves than this supposed need for legal gun owners to prove their legality in the face of no probable cause.

     



    Nobody is ignoring illegal gun owners...unless you count the reductions in police at the local level due to lack of public funding.

     

    The 'right to protect ourselves' ultimately precludes owning a gun.  There are laws about how to protect oneself while using a gun.

    How else for legal gun owners to prove themselves legal but to check in with law enforcement?  

     



    How about presumed legal, as the 2namendment indicate?

     

    look, you want your gun control, repeal the 2nd amendment, fair and square, and stop trying to hobble legal gun owners.

    if you really wanted to do something about gun violence, you would do a house to house search on the soth chide of Chicago and take every gun found.

    but, instead, you turn to make it more difficult for women to defend themselves against rapists, for example.



    Are those "legitimate rapists" or not?  Sometimes it's hard to tell with you conservatives....

    It's not me making the case.  I own guns myself.  But I also have nothing to hide and am not inconvenienced by my town's police knowing it.  Those that do have something to hide are the ones we should worry about.

    This is about the Supreme Court making ITS case and newbie, dimwitted senators getting confused about what the constitution actually says.

    But if you really think that there is a legitimate reason to stockpile automatic weapons and reams of ammo, then I can't really help you.  You've fallen down the rabbit hole.

     

     
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    Sure Mr Attorney, so the second amendment does not protect, " an INDIVIDUAL right, unconnected with service in a militia

     




     

    Why be such a smartazz? Or do you really just plain not get it?


    Scalia said there is an INDIVIDUAL (if caps help) right to be arms. As Matty pointed out, he ALSO said that that INDIVIDUAL right is not unlimited and that there are valid restrictions:

     

    'nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.'

    The ruling also allows limitations on ownership of 'dangerous and unusual' weapons that are not in 'common use' — like, for example, assault weapons. (And military-style weapons).

     

     

     

    Waving around "INDIVIDUAL right", as if it somehow undermines that point, simply doesn't.

     

     



    Apparently waving that right around Washington D.C., where the Heller decision recognized right individual right, has caused the murder rate to plummet.

    strange things happen when people's rights are not infringed.

     
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    It amazes me how often the left goes to the gun control well, trying to convince us that they need to probe legal gun openers, limit types of guns for our own good, while completely ignoring illegal gun owners.

    something tells me this is more about effectively eliminating our rights to protect ourselves than this supposed need for legal gun owners to prove their legality in the face of no probable cause.

     



    Nobody is ignoring illegal gun owners...unless you count the reductions in police at the local level due to lack of public funding.

     

    The 'right to protect ourselves' ultimately precludes owning a gun.  There are laws about how to protect oneself while using a gun.

    How else for legal gun owners to prove themselves legal but to check in with law enforcement?  

     



    How about presumed legal, as the 2namendment indicate?

     

    look, you want your gun control, repeal the 2nd amendment, fair and square, and stop trying to hobble legal gun owners.

    if you really wanted to do something about gun violence, you would do a house to house search on the soth chide of Chicago and take every gun found.

    but, instead, you turn to make it more difficult for women to defend themselves against rapists, for example.



    You are talking nonsense.  The 2nd Amendment is not going to be repealed nor is anyone in authority advocating it.  A house to house search is totally illegal and only you are suggesting such a thing.  And you think there is no gun violence problem in America.  All these are equally absurd thoughts.  Background checks and eliminating especially dangerous weapons are clearly legal under Heller.  Time to live in the real world and not your bizarre fantasy.

     
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    You're not paying attention. If it was LEGALLY purchased (which is what i posted...but you know that) then it doesn't matter. Are fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks and drones legal to purchase? No they are not. I was referring to LEGALLY purchased firearms. 

     




     

    I'm not paying attention? Or perhaps the problem is you aren't applying logic properly.

    Your rhetorical question leads to the conclusion that "fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks" SHOULD be legal to purchase.

    Um...no...it doesn't. Not even remotely close. Law abiding citizens buy LEGAL guns. The things you mentioned are not legal to buy. Therefore any citizen who LEGALLY buys a weapon is no ones goddamn business. 

    That's why you need to add more to your position for it to make any sense.

    Um...it was YOU who brought up tanks and flame throwers not me,

    Facepalm.



    We decide what weapon is too dangerous for an individual to have legally.  That list has been changed as technology has changed.  Machine guns today.  Assault weapons hopefully tomorrow.  And Heller supports such a limitation on the right.

     
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    You're not paying attention. If it was LEGALLY purchased (which is what i posted...but you know that) then it doesn't matter. Are fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks and drones legal to purchase? No they are not. I was referring to LEGALLY purchased firearms. 

     




     

    I'm not paying attention? Or perhaps the problem is you aren't applying logic properly.

    Your rhetorical question leads to the conclusion that "fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks" SHOULD be legal to purchase.

    Um...no...it doesn't. Not even remotely close.c

    That's why you need to add more to your position for it to make any sense.

    Um...it was YOU who brought up tanks and flame throwers not me,

    Facepalm.

     




     

     



     Law abiding citizens buy LEGAL guns. The things you mentioned are not legal to buy. Therefore any citizen who LEGALLY buys a weapon is no ones goddamn business. 

     

     

     

    There's a bunch of parents of six yr olds on Newtown Conn. who may disagree and want to ban some of those LEGALLY bought weapons.

     
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    Nice try!

    Liberals want to take the small crack of Scalia's remarks on 'dangerous and unusual' weapons, and drive a bulldozer through it.

    By claiming ,

    a) 'dangerous and unusual weapons' include 'assault weapons',

    and then


    b) defining just about all weapons as 'assault weapons'.

    Bingo! take away all guns. That was easy.

     

    Also, Scalia is listing laws that would be constitutional:
    "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings..."

    Such laws banning guns in "schools" are no doubt constitutional, but in practice may be found to be stupid and counterproductive, and subject to repeal.



    Aren't all fire arms dangerous?  What would be the point of a benign firearm?

    that was easy.

     
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    You're not paying attention. If it was LEGALLY purchased (which is what i posted...but you know that) then it doesn't matter. Are fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks and drones legal to purchase? No they are not. I was referring to LEGALLY purchased firearms. 

     




     

    I'm not paying attention? Or perhaps the problem is you aren't applying logic properly.

    Your rhetorical question leads to the conclusion that "fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks" SHOULD be legal to purchase.

    Um...no...it doesn't. Not even remotely close. Law abiding citizens buy LEGAL guns. The things you mentioned are not legal to buy. Therefore any citizen who LEGALLY buys a weapon is no ones goddamn business. 

    That's why you need to add more to your position for it to make any sense.

    Um...it was YOU who brought up tanks and flame throwers not me,

    Facepalm.

     



    We decide what weapon is too dangerous for an individual to have legally.  That list has been changed as technology has changed.  Machine guns today.  Assault weapons hopefully tomorrow.  And Heller supports such a limitation on the right.

     

     



    Try to follow what I post instead of what you think I'm posting. It will help tremendously.

     

    my argument is that RIGHT now..anyone who has LEGALLY purchased a gun shouldn't have to tell you or anyone else what it is or how many of them they have. the only entity that should know is the authorized dealer the person bought the gun from as they will have the paperwork on file. 

     



    We register the rather benign motor vehicle the opurpose of which is merely transportation.  I think registering guns whose purpose is far more dangerous makes perfect sense.

     
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    Nice try!

    Liberals want to take the small crack of Scalia's remarks on 'dangerous and unusual' weapons, and drive a bulldozer through it.

    By claiming ,

    a) 'dangerous and unusual weapons' include 'assault weapons',

    and then


    b) defining just about all weapons as 'assault weapons'.

    Bingo! take away all guns. That was easy.

     

    Also, Scalia is listing laws that would be constitutional:
    "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings..."

    Such laws banning guns in "schools" are no doubt constitutional, but in practice may be found to be stupid and counterproductive, and subject to repeal.

     



    Aren't all fire arms dangerous?  What would be the point of a benign firearm?

     

    that was easy.

     



    Firearms by themselves are not dangerous. Not once did any of my dads guns get out of his gun safe and fire themselves off. 

     

    That was easy.

     



    Worlds dumbest post.

    your dad kept his guns in a safe because the guns weren't dangerous?  if they werent dangerous, then why did your dad keep them a safe?  

     

     
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    Nice try!

    Liberals want to take the small crack of Scalia's remarks on 'dangerous and unusual' weapons, and drive a bulldozer through it.

    By claiming ,

    a) 'dangerous and unusual weapons' include 'assault weapons',

    and then


    b) defining just about all weapons as 'assault weapons'.

    Bingo! take away all guns. That was easy.

     

    Also, Scalia is listing laws that would be constitutional:
    "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings..."

    Such laws banning guns in "schools" are no doubt constitutional, but in practice may be found to be stupid and counterproductive, and subject to repeal.

     



    Aren't all fire arms dangerous?  What would be the point of a benign firearm?

     

    that was easy.

     



    Firearms by themselves are not dangerous. Not once did any of my dads guns get out of his gun safe and fire themselves off. 

     

    That was easy.

     

     



    Worlds dumbest post.

     

    your dad kept his guns in a safe because the guns weren't dangerous?  if they werent dangerous, then why did your dad keep them a safe?  

     

     

     

    He kept them in a safe because kids shouldn't  be able to get their hands on guns....just like kids aren't allowed to get behind the wheel of a car or drink alcohol. Many parents lock their liquor cabinet. They also lock their cars.

    Oh and another reason for locking guns up...prevents theft of said guns if house is robbed.

     



    So they are dangerous and should be locked up otherwise people will misuse them.  Thanks for clarifying.

    Now perhaps you will realize that some guns are too inherently dangerous to be possessed at all.

    Lanza fired 152 bullets in five minutes and decimated a school.  If he had been restricted to ten shots instead of thirty some of those kids could be alive.  If he didn't have that assault weapon some of those kids could be alive.  The right to life of those children is worth more than the right to this type of property. No right is unlimited.  This kind of weapon is the child porn of the 2nd Amendment.  

     

     
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    You're not paying attention. If it was LEGALLY purchased (which is what i posted...but you know that) then it doesn't matter. Are fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks and drones legal to purchase? No they are not. I was referring to LEGALLY purchased firearms. 

     




     

    I'm not paying attention? Or perhaps the problem is you aren't applying logic properly.

    Your rhetorical question leads to the conclusion that "fully autos, howitzers, flame-throwers, tanks" SHOULD be legal to purchase.

    Um...no...it doesn't. Not even remotely close. Law abiding citizens buy LEGAL guns. The things you mentioned are not legal to buy. Therefore any citizen who LEGALLY buys a weapon is no ones goddamn business. 

    That's why you need to add more to your position for it to make any sense.

    Um...it was YOU who brought up tanks and flame throwers not me,

    Facepalm.

     



    We decide what weapon is too dangerous for an individual to have legally.  That list has been changed as technology has changed.  Machine guns today.  Assault weapons hopefully tomorrow.  And Heller supports such a limitation on the right.

     

     



    Try to follow what I post instead of what you think I'm posting. It will help tremendously.

     

    my argument is that RIGHT now..anyone who has LEGALLY purchased a gun shouldn't have to tell you or anyone else what it is or how many of them they have. the only entity that should know is the authorized dealer the person bought the gun from as they will have the paperwork on file. 

     

     



    We register the rather benign motor vehicle the opurpose of which is merely transportation.  I think registering guns whose purpose is far more dangerous makes perfect sense.

     

     




    I hear you.  guns are dangerous.  they are also useful.  Violent crime is down in D.C. since Heller.  also, read the Cato institute:

     

    Researchers at the Cato Institute have reviewed eight years worth of news reports about shooting in self-defense and conclude, "the vast majority of gun owners are ethical and competent, and tens of thousands of crimes are prevented each year by ordinary citizens with guns."

    That's TENS of THOUSANDS of violent crimes prevented.

     

    Look, I wish it was a world where I dont' need to be concerned about defending myself, but it is, ever here in the best country on earth.

    That's why I am against you or anyone else infringing on my constitutional rights when it comes to arms.

     

     
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