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    NUMBER 1: President Obama Falsely Claimed He Immediately Characterized The Attacks In Benghazi As Terrorism:

    President Obama: “The Day After The Attack, Governor, I Stood In The Rose Garden, And I Told The American People And The World That We Are Going To Find Out Exactly What Happened, That This Was An Act Of Terror.” (President Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/16/12)

    The Washington Post’s Fact Checker: “What Did Obama Say In The Rose Garden A Day After The Attack In Libya? … He Did Not Say ‘Terrorism’…” “What did Obama say in the Rose Garden a day after the attack in Libya? ‘No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,’ he said. But he did not say ‘terrorism’—and it took the administration days to concede that that it an ‘act of terrorism’ that appears unrelated to initial reports of anger at a video that defamed the prophet Muhammad.” (Glenn Kessler, “Fact Check: Libya Attack,” The Washington Post, 10/16/12)

    Politico’s Mike Allen, On President Obama’s Rose Garden Remarks: “He Makes A Reference To 9/11 And He Says, Very Generally, We Will Not Let Acts Of Terror Go Unpunished.” ALLEN: “There's going to be a bunch of fact checks, but just to do a fact check here. … And I'm looking at the transcript of that White House event the day after and he started by referring to them as selfless acts, which is casted very differently than the sort of very planned action that we now have. Later toward the end, he makes a reference to 9/11 and he says, very generally, we will not let acts of terror go unpunished. So that's going to be an arguable point.” (Presidential Debate Wrap-Up, Politico Live, 10/16/12)

    CNN’s Candy Crowley Admitted Mitt Romney “Was Right In The Main.” CROWLEY: “And I think actually, because right after that, I did turn around and say but you are totally correct that they spent two weeks telling us that this was about a tape and that there was this riot outside the Benghazi consulate, which there wasn’t. So he was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word. They’re going to parse and we all know what the definition of ‘is’ is, but, you know, in the end, I think John's probably right.” (CNN’s “Debate Night In America,” 10/16/12)

    NUMBER 2: President Obama Repeated His False Attack About A $5 Trillion Tax Cut:

    President Obama: “It Costs About $5 Trillion.” OBAMA: “Look, the cost of lowering rates for everybody across the board 20 percent, along with what he also wants to do in terms of eliminating the estate tax, along what he wants to do in terms of corporates changes in the tax code -- it costs about $5 trillion.” (President Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/16/12)

    Obama Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter: “Okay, Stipulated, It Won’t Be Near $5 Trillion…” BURNETT: “Right. So you’re saying if you lower them by 20% you get a $5 trillion tab, right?” CUTTER: “It’s a $5 trillion tab.” BURNETT: “But then when you close deductions it’s not going to be anywhere near $5 trillion. That’s our analysis.” CUTTER: “Well, okay, stipulated, it won’t be near $5 trillion, but it’s also not going to be the sum of $5 trillion in the loopholes that he’s going to close.” (CNN, 10/4/12)

    FactCheck.org: “Obama Accused Romney Of Proposing A $5 Trillion Tax Cut. Not True.” “Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.” (Brooks Jackson, “Dubious Denver Debate Declarations.” FactCheck.org, 10/4/12)

    ABC’s Jon Karl, On President Obama’s $5 Trillion Claim: “Mostly Fiction.” KARL: “Okay, so, the big thing there, and he came back to it several times, is Governor Romney has a $5 trillion tax cut plan. I rate that mostly fiction.” (ABC’s “Your Voice: 2012Presidential Debates,” 10/3/12)

    The Associated Press: “Obama’s Claim That Romney Wants To Cut Taxes By $5 Trillion Doesn’t Add Up.” “Obama’s claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn’t add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney’s tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama’s math doesn’t take into account Romney’s entire plan.” (Calvin Woodward, “FACT CHECK: Presidential Debate Missteps,” The Associated Press, 10/3/12)

    NUMBER 3: President Obama Claimed Mitt Romney’s Private Sector Experience Involved Outsourcing – A Claim Repeatedly Debunked By Fact Checkers:

    President Obama: “As I Already Indicated, In The Private Sector, Governor Romney's Company Invested In What Were Called Pioneers Of Outsourcing.” (President Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/16/12)

    FactCheck.org: “We Found No Evidence To Support The Claim That Romney — While He Was Still Running Bain Capital — Shipped American Jobs Overseas.” “But after reviewing numerous corporate filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, contemporary news accounts, company histories and press releases, and the evidence offered by both the Obama and Romney campaigns, we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas.” (Robert Farley and Eugene Kiely, “Obama’s ‘Outsourcer’ Overreach,” FactCheck.org, 6/29/12)

    The Washington Post, On An Obama Outsourcing Ad: “On Just About Every Level, This Ad Is Misleading, Unfair And Untrue…” “The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of ‘corporate raider’ to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.” (Glenn Kessler, “4 Pinocchios For Obama’s Newest Anti-Romney Ad,” The Washington Post, 6/21/12)

    The Washington Post: “Obama Never Mentions Another Washington Post Article, One That Detailed How He Has Not Been Able To Fulfill Many Of His Campaign Promises In 2008 To Stem The Outflow Of American Jobs…” (Glenn Kessler, “Fact Check: Pioneers Of Outsourcing,” The Washington Post, 10/16/12)

    NUMBER 4: President Obama Claimed He Cut Taxes For The Middle Class – But Didn’t Mention His Policies Are Threatening To Hike Taxes By $4,000:

    President Obama: “My Philosophy On Taxes Has Been Simple, And That Is, I Want To Give Middle-Class Families, And Folks Who Are Striving To Get In The Middle Class, Some Relief…” OBAMA: “My philosophy on taxes has been simple, and that is, I want to give middle-class families, and folks who are striving to get in the middle class, some relief, because they have been hit hard over the last decade, over the last 15, over the last 20 years.” (President Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/16/12)

    President Obama Has Already Raised Taxes On Nearly 5 Million Middle-Class Americans In Obamacare. (“Payments Of Penalties For Being Uninsured Under The Affordable Care Act,” Congressional Budget Office, 9/12)

    • An Analysis By The Congressional Budget Office Found That “Nearly 80 Percent Of Those Who’ll Face” Obamacare’s Mandate Tax Are In The Middle Class. “Nonetheless, in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000. And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who'll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level.” (“Tax Penalty To Hit Nearly 6M Uninsured People,” The Associated Press, 9/19/12)

    American Enterprise Institute Has Calculated That The Annual Cost Of President Obama’s Current And Looming Debt Burden Amounts To $4,000 Per Year In Higher Taxes On The Middle Class. “In a new paper, AEI’s Matt Jensen looks at the real annual cost of servicing the debt for households at various levels of income — including a potentially higher tax burden. As the table below illustrates, a household making between $100,000 and $200,000 a year could find its tax liability higher by roughly $2,400 every year. Over ten years, that works out to $24,000. And when you add in the debt already accrued the past four years under President Obama (the second table), that’s another $1,600 a year. So now we are now talking about $4,000 a year, $40,000 over ten years.” (James Pethokoukis, “Study: Obama’s Big Budget Deficits Could Mean A $4,000 A Year Middle-Class Tax Hike,” American Enterprise Institute, 10/2/12)

    NUMBER 5: President Obama Falsely Claimed He Has Increased Energy Production On Public Lands:

    President Obama: “We Have Increased Oil Production To The Highest Levels In 16 Years. Natural Gas Production Is The Highest It Has Been In Decades.” OBAMA: “The most important thing we can do is to make sure we control our own energy. Here is what I have done since I was president, we have increased oil production to the highest levels in 16 years. Natural gas production is the highest it has been in decades.” (President Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/16/12)

    • President Obama: “We’ve Opened Up Public Lands. We're Actually Drilling More On Public Lands Than In The Previous Administration.” ROMNEY: “As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production is down 9 percent. Why? Because the president cut in half the number of licenses and permits for drilling on federal lands and in federal waters.” OBAMA: “Candy, there's no doubt that world demand's gone up. But our production is going up, and we're using oil more efficiently. And very little of what Governor Romney just said is true. We’ve opened up public lands. We're actually drilling more on public lands than in the previous administration.” (President Barack Obama, Second Presidential Debate, Hempstead, NY, 10/16/12)

    The Washington Post: “Contrary To President Obama’s Assertions,” Oil Production “On Public Land Is Down 14 Percent And Production Of Gas On Public Land Is Down 9 Percent.” “Is Gov. Mitt Romney telling the truth when he says oil and gas production is down on public land? Contrary to President Obama’s assertions, Romney’s telling the truth when he says, ‘Production of oil on public land is down 14 percent and production of gas on public land is down 9 percent.’ That’s because energy production on federal lands is down compared to 2010, according to the Energy Information Administration.” (Juliet Eilperin, “The Truth About Oil And Gas Production On Public Land,” The Washington Post, 10/16/12)

    ABC’s Jonathan Karl: “It Is True That Those Drilling Leases And Permits Are Down Under President Obama.” KARL: “But on this issue of oil and gas drilling, Governor Romney said that oil and gas drilling is down by 50% on public lands. That is not exactly true but it's not far off. In fact, we looked at the numbers and oil drilling permits on public land dropped by 37% in the first two years of the Obama administration, 42% in terms of leases for natural gas. So the numbers weren't exactly right, but it is true that those drilling leases and permits are down under President Obama.” (ABC’s Presidential Debate Coverage, 10/16/12)

     
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    Unless you are a moron, you can see that it is in direct reference to the Libya attack. 

     

    Unless they are morons, yes. Or liars. I'm gonig with both.

     
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    Yeah, only tools like you and Losername would see some generic political statement from Obama followed by two weeks of claims the incident was a response to a movie as proof he called it a terrorist attack.


    Oh I just think it's hilarious and/or vile that you guys spent the last month accusing Obama of lying when you didn't even bother to find out what he actually said.

     

     

     
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    Unless you are a moron, you can see that it is in direct reference to the Libya attack. 

     

     

    Unless they are morons, yes. Or liars. I'm gonig with both.




    Yeah, only tools like you and Losername would see some generic political statement from Obama followed by two weeks of claims the incident was a response to a movie as proof he called it a terrorist attack.

    I am surprise you can come up for air and type in a comment when your lips are glued to Obama's a55 so tightly.

    What does his a55 taste like?



    Tastes like Chris Mathews' aftershave........

     
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    So was Obama just willfully ignorant, lying, or just trying to downplay it and cover his a55 for 2 weeks?????

     
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    The righties seem mighty embarassed they were caught with both feet in their mouths!

     
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    The righties seem mighty embarassed they were caught with both feet in their mouths!



    ....an act of terror [now add context] from a mob protesting an offensive movie is far differerent then a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 911 without any mob protest.  The administration went over two weeks before it admitted it was more then an angry mob committing an act of terror.  The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

    The President was either performing a political obfuscation or he didn't know (not hard to believe) because he reportedly attend less then 1/2 of the daily security briefings.

    The Presidnet is either in-charge and knows or delegates and just trusts without verification a dangerous way to lead.  So did the buck stop with Hillary or the President.  There is one clear way to fix the problem, vote Obama out.

     
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    I didn't watch the full debate. switch on and off while watching a movie ( LA Confidentals ) LA Politics 1954, still the same today .

    Debate was Just a bunch ( 3 ) swapping lies. Funny , twice it looked like Crawlley was debating Romney> Crawlley said  "What the President meant"

    All " slothers "   "when the fools walk in"

     
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    Still a tie...

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/hofstra_debate_stronger_performer/

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/

     
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    Big win for Obama.  The third debate (foreign policy) won't be as widely watched, so it had to be last night. I thought it was going to be hard to attack Romney at a town hall, but both men seemed happy to more or less disregard the audience and have at it.

    Romney's bump from the last poll had already begun wearing off - I wouldn't be surprised if come Monday, we're back to where we were before the debates began.

     

     
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    The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

    You're right. He didn't handle your side's spin well. He never does. He lets the conservative lie fester and fester until other conservatives feel comfortable repeating it blindly.

    Take these boards as an example.

     

     

    And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

     

     

     

    Your first move was to say he didn't call it a terorrist attack. As the above demonstrates, he did.


    You are now trying to backpedal and find fault with his failure to lay out exactly what happened. Trouble is, the intelligence on what exactly happened was developing.


    Nevermind the disgusting shamefulness of conservatives slamming Obama for listening to his intelligence here, but defending Bush's War - which costs a trillion+ and thousands upon thousands of lives - by saying Bush was just listening to intelligence.


    So f**king dishonest. Really is disgusting.

     
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    The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

     

    You're right. He didn't handle your side's spin well. He never does. He lets the conservative lie fester and fester until other conservatives feel comfortable repeating it blindly.

    Take these boards as an example.

     

     

    And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

     

     

     

    Your first move was to say he didn't call it a terorrist attack. As the above demonstrates, he did.


    You are now trying to backpedal and find fault with his failure to lay out exactly what happened. Trouble is, the intelligence on what exactly happened was developing.


    Nevermind the disgusting shamefulness of conservatives slamming Obama for listening to his intelligence here, but defending Bush's War - which costs a trillion+ and thousands upon thousands of lives - by saying Bush was just listening to intelligence.


    So f**king dishonest. Really is disgusting.



    You can always tell when Airborne, I mean WDYWN, gets all pi-$-$-y, he starts swearing and throwing around the "B" word. (Bush)

    Tomorrow you'll have a bigger headache when you realize what a putz you really are defending such a buffoon of a President.

     

     
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    Like I posted after the first debate, if the next debate ends up being more even, the dem's would claim victory. I guess in their minds a tie goes to the President, since he lost so poorly the first time around.

    I don't think the President won over any independents last night, which he needs badly!!

     

     
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    The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

     

    You're right. He didn't handle your side's spin well. He never does. He lets the conservative lie fester and fester until other conservatives feel comfortable repeating it blindly.

    Take these boards as an example.

     

     

    And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

     

     

     

    Your first move was to say he didn't call it a terorrist attack. As the above demonstrates, he did.


    You are now trying to backpedal and find fault with his failure to lay out exactly what happened. Trouble is, the intelligence on what exactly happened was developing.


    Nevermind the disgusting shamefulness of conservatives slamming Obama for listening to his intelligence here, but defending Bush's War - which costs a trillion+ and thousands upon thousands of lives - by saying Bush was just listening to intelligence.


    So f**king dishonest. Really is disgusting.



    Remember context its a powerful thing, it was all about the movie, apology apology apology and a brief reference to an act of terror.

    Go back to you're own posts during that time frame, you were right there with him and still are.

     
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    Go back to you're own posts during that time frame, you were right there with him and still are


    I do not believe Obama lied about Libya, nor do I believe Bush lied about Iraq.

     

    You dishonestly believe that Obama lied about Libya, but that Bush was just listening to intelligence on Iraq.

     
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    The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

     

    You're right. He didn't handle your side's spin well. He never does. He lets the conservative lie fester and fester until other conservatives feel comfortable repeating it blindly.

    Take these boards as an example.

     

     

    And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

     

     

     

    Your first move was to say he didn't call it a terorrist attack. As the above demonstrates, he did.


    You are now trying to backpedal and find fault with his failure to lay out exactly what happened. Trouble is, the intelligence on what exactly happened was developing.


    Nevermind the disgusting shamefulness of conservatives slamming Obama for listening to his intelligence here, but defending Bush's War - which costs a trillion+ and thousands upon thousands of lives - by saying Bush was just listening to intelligence.


    So f**king dishonest. Really is disgusting.



    Remember context its a powerful thing, it was all about the movie, apology apology apology and a brief reference to an act of terror.

    Go back to you're own posts during that time frame, you were right there with him and still are.




    I thought he was trying to do 2 things in the Rose Garden address.  One,  talk about Benghazi but also try to prevent what happened in Benghazi from spreading to other places.

     

    I truly believe the the attack on the Benghazi Consulate was timed to coincide with the the video going viral.  I believe the intent was to a) provide cover for the attack in Benghazi and b) hope that the attack sparks more violence at other US embassies and consulates.

    I don't think the 2 can be seperated.

     
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    Go back to you're own posts during that time frame, you were right there with him and still are



    I do not believe Obama lied about Libya, nor do I believe Bush lied about Iraq.

     

     

    You dishonestly believe that Obama lied about Libya, but that Bush was just listening to intelligence on Iraq.




    Right but that is the point.  When there were no WMD's the Right was fine to acknowledge that sometimes intelligence is wrong and people make mistakes.  As opposed to the Libya situation where the Right seems bent on proving it was some massive conspiracy.

    They prove over and over again they have no problem with double standards and blatant hypocrisy of the highest degree.  Romney is the perfect candidate for them.  A guy with no core who will say anything that seems politically adventageous in the moment he says it.

     
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    The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

     

    You're right. He didn't handle your side's spin well. He never does. He lets the conservative lie fester and fester until other conservatives feel comfortable repeating it blindly.

    Take these boards as an example.

     

     

    And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

     

     

     

    Your first move was to say he didn't call it a terorrist attack. As the above demonstrates, he did.


    You are now trying to backpedal and find fault with his failure to lay out exactly what happened. Trouble is, the intelligence on what exactly happened was developing.


    Nevermind the disgusting shamefulness of conservatives slamming Obama for listening to his intelligence here, but defending Bush's War - which costs a trillion+ and thousands upon thousands of lives - by saying Bush was just listening to intelligence.


    So f**king dishonest. Really is disgusting.



    Remember context its a powerful thing, it was all about the movie, apology apology apology and a brief reference to an act of terror.

    Go back to you're own posts during that time frame, you were right there with him and still are.




    I thought he was trying to do 2 things in the Rose Garden address.  One,  talk about Benghazi but also try to prevent what happened in Benghazi from spreading to other places.

     

    I truly believe the the attack on the Benghazi Consulate was timed to coincide with the the video going viral.  I believe the intent was to a) provide cover for the attack in Benghazi and b) hope that the attack sparks more violence at other US embassies and consulates.

    I don't think the 2 can be seperated.



    You can believe what you want, is it grape today?  Cherry tomorrow?

     
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    Still a tie...

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/hofstra_debate_stronger_performer/

    http://www.denverpost.com/index.html?_requestid=27390502

     
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    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    The president's well placed an act of terror doesn't excuse his administrations handling of the post attaack spin.

     

    You're right. He didn't handle your side's spin well. He never does. He lets the conservative lie fester and fester until other conservatives feel comfortable repeating it blindly.

    Take these boards as an example.

     

     

    And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi. 

    As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

     

     

     

    Your first move was to say he didn't call it a terorrist attack. As the above demonstrates, he did.


    You are now trying to backpedal and find fault with his failure to lay out exactly what happened. Trouble is, the intelligence on what exactly happened was developing.


    Nevermind the disgusting shamefulness of conservatives slamming Obama for listening to his intelligence here, but defending Bush's War - which costs a trillion+ and thousands upon thousands of lives - by saying Bush was just listening to intelligence.


    So f**king dishonest. Really is disgusting.



    Remember context its a powerful thing, it was all about the movie, apology apology apology and a brief reference to an act of terror.

    Go back to you're own posts during that time frame, you were right there with him and still are.




    I thought he was trying to do 2 things in the Rose Garden address.  One,  talk about Benghazi but also try to prevent what happened in Benghazi from spreading to other places.

     

    I truly believe the the attack on the Benghazi Consulate was timed to coincide with the the video going viral.  I believe the intent was to a) provide cover for the attack in Benghazi and b) hope that the attack sparks more violence at other US embassies and consulates.

    I don't think the 2 can be seperated.




     

    So tell us what is the party line today?

    Was it a spontaneous attack because of a video or was it a premeditated terrorist attack?

    Which lie is true today?

    Where is the media??????

     
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    REPORT: White House contradicts president's statement on Benghazi terror attack...

     
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    American Crossroads, taking exception to Obama’s announcement last night that he really had declared Benghazi to be an act of terrorism, has sent out a memo, which reads:

    The President clearly misled the American people with this claim, because if Obama’s Rose Garden speech was indeed the White House position, it did not inform any subsequent statement by the White House press office — and was even directly contradicted by his own spokesman several days later.
    On September 20 — eight days after Obama claims to have called the Benghazi attack an “act of terror” — Jay Carney affirmed to reporters that the White House had never called it “a terrorist attack.”
     

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