The failed war on weed

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    My position hasn't changed. I am all for sick people getting what they need.  That being said, the whole linkage between pot legalization and the ill is a ruse.  No one wants to deal with the issues legalization in the two places it has been tried, California and Colorado honestly.  In both places, it has been a disaster.

    They are not the only ones.  I think all you dopers need to think about the carnage you are wreaking on society before pushing this further.

     



    Sure sounds like you are still hung-up about the medication itself and not the goal of treating the ill.

     

    It's not a ruse...you just don't accept the significant, positive effects marijuana can have on those who are suffering.

    It has not been a "disaster" in either CA or CO, unless you've redefined the term to suit your bias.

    What "carnage" are you blathering about...?!  How is "society" worse off, in your estimation?  

    What, exactly, is Your Problem...!?!

     



    If you don't think legalization has been a disaster in California and Colorado, you are willfully ignorant.  both places have had enormous difficulties, and it has fueled the illegal drug trade as well.

     You think education on a subject is time consuming, try ignorance.

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     



    Owning guns is a deterent to crime.  Most of that crime centers around drug use.

    I need guns to fend off dopers and crackheads.

    That's the linkage you were looking for.

     

     
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    My position hasn't changed. I am all for sick people getting what they need.  That being said, the whole linkage between pot legalization and the ill is a ruse.  No one wants to deal with the issues legalization in the two places it has been tried, California and Colorado honestly.  In both places, it has been a disaster.

    They are not the only ones.  I think all you dopers need to think about the carnage you are wreaking on society before pushing this further.

     

     



    Sure sounds like you are still hung-up about the medication itself and not the goal of treating the ill.

     

     

    It's not a ruse...you just don't accept the significant, positive effects marijuana can have on those who are suffering.

    It has not been a "disaster" in either CA or CO, unless you've redefined the term to suit your bias.

    What "carnage" are you blathering about...?!  How is "society" worse off, in your estimation?  

    What, exactly, is Your Problem...!?!

     

     



    If you don't think legalization has been a disaster in California and Colorado, you are willfully ignorant.  both places have had enormous difficulties, and it has fueled the illegal drug trade as well.



    I still take issue with your specious definition of "disaster"...which does not equal "difficulties".

    To wit: Colorado went even further and decriminalized completely.  Clearly, coloradans don't think it's been a disaster.

    So, what are you talking about?!!?

     

     

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     



    Owning guns is a deterent to crime.  Most of that crime centers around drug use.

    I need guns to fend off dopers and crackheads.

     

    Owning guns is not a deterrent to crime if the criminal also has guns.  Drug use itself is not a violent crime.  

    And we've already explained in detail how drug convictions are mostly on non-violent offenders...by a wide margin.

    Why are you trying to link "dopers" and "crackheads"...??  What is wrong with you?!

    Again, you prove you don't know a damm thing of what you're talking about.

     

     

     
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    Implementation of medicinal weed is the problem.  As Skeeter said, "I have a headache, I need weed"

    But the absurdity of telling a chemo patient she can't smoke a joint even though it makes her feel better, but can have a script for heroine, even though it doesn't help at all, is just fcking stupid.

     
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    Implementation of medicinal weed is the problem.  As Skeeter said, "I have a headache, I need weed"

    But the absurdity of telling a chemo patient she can't smoke a joint even though it makes her feel better, but can have a script for heroine, even though it doesn't help at all, is just fcking stupid.



    Agreed.

    What I said and provided links to shows that legalizing dope has caused huge problems.  We need to sort it out in a better way, so those that truly need it, get it, and those abusing it to get around the generalized legalization, get to go pound sand.

    that being said, I just about at the point of saying just legalize it all.  But, if you overdose, or ruin you life sitting around smoking dope all day, i say leave you overdosed body on the sidewalk.  No Obamacare for you.

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

     



    Owning guns is a deterent to crime.  Most of that crime centers around drug use.

     

    I need guns to fend off dopers and crackheads.

     

     

    Owning guns is not a deterrent to crime if the criminal also has guns.  Drug use itself is not a violent crime.  

    And we've already explained in detail how drug convictions are mostly on non-violent offenders...by a wide margin.

    Why are you trying to link "dopers" and "crackheads"...??  What is wrong with you?!

    Again, you prove you don't know a damm thing of what you're talking about.

     

     



    Sure guns are a deterrent. Own big, large capacity guns.  Then when the. Doper shows up to steal you tv to pay for more dope, you have the advantage.

    you are right that dopers and crackheads are different. Dopers giggle and drool as they slide off the couch onto the floor.  Crackheads s are generally just drooling.

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

    Your comparison is way off.

    Supporting the right to keep and bear arms isnt a Libertarian issue, it is a Constitutional issue.

    "Bullets kill more people than weed ever did."  Weak.




    His comparison is not off at all. True libertarians would believe in both a person's right to bear arms..and a person's right to smoke pot ( or use any other drug).

     
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    Hey Skeeter...you do know that a significan number of drug addicts also abuse prescription narcotics...right? By your logic..should we  then criminalize oxycodone, codeine, morphine, percocet...etc?

    How come you don't use the same argument about guns (you know..the one where because some people might abuse it..it should be illegal?)

    " Above all..be the heroine in your life..not the victim" Nora Ephron

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Your comparison is way off.

    Supporting the right to keep and bear arms isnt a Libertarian issue, it is a Constitutional issue.

    "Bullets kill more people than weed ever did."  Weak.

     




    His comparison is not off at all. True libertarians would believe in both a person's right to bear arms..and a person's right to smoke pot ( or use any other drug).

     

     



    Exactly right. I go even a step further and say legalize gambling and prostitution also. People should be able to do what they choose as long as it doesn't harm another being.

     



    Except drink a large soda?

    Progressives worship the Government as our masters, so your "feel good" statements and what Democrats do are quite different.

    They dont call Democrats the Party of Government for nothing.... Obama Administration Adds 11,000 Pages of Federal Regulations .....a 2008 study  estimated the annual cost of compliance for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion...
     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Your comparison is way off.

    Supporting the right to keep and bear arms isnt a Libertarian issue, it is a Constitutional issue.

    "Bullets kill more people than weed ever did."  Weak.

     




    His comparison is not off at all. True libertarians would believe in both a person's right to bear arms..and a person's right to smoke pot ( or use any other drug).

     

     



    Exactly right. I go even a step further and say legalize gambling and prostitution also. People should be able to do what they choose as long as it doesn't harm another being.

     

     



     

    Except drink a large soda?

    Progressives worship the Government as our masters, so your "feel good" statements and what Democrats do are quite different.

    They dont call Democrats the Party of Government for nothing.... Obama Administration Adds 11,000 Pages of Federal Regulations .....a 2008 study  estimated the annual cost of compliance for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion...




    Okay....except that we were talking about libertarians. You know they are not the same as Dems...right..?

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Your comparison is way off.

    Supporting the right to keep and bear arms isnt a Libertarian issue, it is a Constitutional issue.

    "Bullets kill more people than weed ever did."  Weak.

     




    His comparison is not off at all. True libertarians would believe in both a person's right to bear arms..and a person's right to smoke pot ( or use any other drug).

     

     



    Exactly right. I go even a step further and say legalize gambling and prostitution also. People should be able to do what they choose as long as it doesn't harm another being.

     

     

     



     

     

    Except drink a large soda?

    Progressives worship the Government as our masters, so your "feel good" statements and what Democrats do are quite different.

    They dont call Democrats the Party of Government for nothing.... Obama Administration Adds 11,000 Pages of Federal Regulations .....a 2008 study  estimated the annual cost of compliance for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion...




     

    Okay....except that we were talking about libertarians. You know they are not the same as Dems...right..?


    The Party of Government is about as far from libertarian as one can get.

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Your comparison is way off.

    Supporting the right to keep and bear arms isnt a Libertarian issue, it is a Constitutional issue.

    "Bullets kill more people than weed ever did."  Weak.

     




    His comparison is not off at all. True libertarians would believe in both a person's right to bear arms..and a person's right to smoke pot ( or use any other drug).

     

     



    Exactly right. I go even a step further and say legalize gambling and prostitution also. People should be able to do what they choose as long as it doesn't harm another being.

     

     

     



     

     

    Except drink a large soda?

    Progressives worship the Government as our masters, so your "feel good" statements and what Democrats do are quite different.

    They dont call Democrats the Party of Government for nothing.... Obama Administration Adds 11,000 Pages of Federal Regulations .....a 2008 study  estimated the annual cost of compliance for all federal regulations at $1.7 trillion...




     

    Okay....except that we were talking about libertarians. You know they are not the same as Dems...right..?

     


    The Party of Government is about as far from libertarian as one can get.

     




    Good grief....lol

     
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    Oh, and by the way:

    Where are the so-called libertarians who are FOR the unfettered right to own guns but AGAINST the right to smoke herb...?

    Because it's largely the same difference, even though bullets kill more people than weed ever did.

     

     

     

     

     

    Your comparison is way off.

    Supporting the right to keep and bear arms isnt a Libertarian issue, it is a Constitutional issue.

    "Bullets kill more people than weed ever did."  Weak.

     




    His comparison is not off at all. True libertarians would believe in both a person's right to bear arms..and a person's right to smoke pot ( or use any other drug).

     



    It's off.  One is a constitutional right that is essential to a free country, the other is an indulgence for the weak minded, save the medical users.

     
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    Hey Skeeter...you do know that a significan number of drug addicts also abuse prescription narcotics...right? By your logic..should we  then criminalize oxycodone, codeine, morphine, percocet...etc?

    How come you don't use the same argument about guns (you know..the one where because some people might abuse it..it should be illegal?)

    " Above all..be the heroine in your life..not the victim" Nora Ephron

    These drugs are illegal for recreational use.  So, I don't get your point.

    Guns are a constitutionally protected right.

    Show me where in the constitution getting wasted is a constitutional right.

     
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    Hey Skeeter...you do know that a significan number of drug addicts also abuse prescription narcotics...right? By your logic..should we  then criminalize oxycodone, codeine, morphine, percocet...etc?

    How come you don't use the same argument about guns (you know..the one where because some people might abuse it..it should be illegal?)

    " Above all..be the heroine in your life..not the victim" Nora Ephron

     

     

    These drugs are illegal for recreational use.  So, I don't get your point.

    Guns are a constitutionally protected right.

    Show me where in the constitution getting wasted is a constitutional right.




    Just a link for you, Skeeter, you dope.....

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dope

     

     
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    Hey Skeeter...you do know that a significan number of drug addicts also abuse prescription narcotics...right? By your logic..should we  then criminalize oxycodone, codeine, morphine, percocet...etc?

    How come you don't use the same argument about guns (you know..the one where because some people might abuse it..it should be illegal?)

    " Above all..be the heroine in your life..not the victim" Nora Ephron

     

     

     

     

    These drugs are illegal for recreational use.  So, I don't get your point.

    Guns are a constitutionally protected right.

    Show me where in the constitution getting wasted is a constitutional right.

     




    Just a link for you, Skeeter, you dope.....

     

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dope

     



    My favorite is # 6...

      "heroin, not crack, not powder, but heroin. not marijuana, not meth. but heroin. heroin is the only thing that dope could ever be. people who don't know what dope is are people with very sheltered lives."
     
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    Dopers giggle and drool as they slide off the couch onto the floor.


    Is that before or after multiple dopers become President of the United States?

     

    What do you do for a living?




    Multiple?

     
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    Dopers giggle and drool as they slide off the couch onto the floor.


    Is that before or after multiple dopers become President of the United States?

     

    What do you do for a living?

     



    Multiple?

     

     



    Clinton and Obama both admitted to smoking pot. There's multiple right there. I think it pretty likely others did as well, without admitting it, but I'm not hanging my hat on it.

     

    And Bush liked booze with his blow. So there's that.




    Clinton didn't inhale and the Bush coke sht is a load of dingo kidneys

     
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    Clinton didn't inhale

     


    Right....   

     

     

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    Bush coke sht is a load of dingo kidneys

     

    Oh, ok.. 




    And Gore ate aborted Downs Syndrome feti for the extra chromosome.  There's that.

     
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