Wow...just wow... 

That's as dishonest as claiming only righties get banned. Or as dishonest as if I pointed to the state of things with Bush left office without giving a nod to the role of the mortgage and financial crises.

And pointing to the price of gas? LOL. Someone needs some economics training.

Let's see....Bush inherited an economy steaming along. So he decided to cut taxes while launching two wars. Oh and the unfunded prescription plan, that was nice.

The wars provided stimulus to an economy that was already riding on a mortgage bubble (both parties fault, perhaps dems a tiny bit more), and a financial bubble (more republican fault), so of course things looked better than they were.

When the bubbles burst we saw the true cost of the wars and prescription plan, but it was too late because we had to start more bailouts/stimulus just to stop things from exploding.

 

 

Really, if the country still exists when Obama is done...he's probably done a better job than Bush. At least we halted, and now we've turned around.

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In response to tacobreath's comment:

Hmm....    jmel did always like the apostrophe that points the wrong way. And he loved to fight with airborne.

But there just don't seem to be enough angry generalizations, insults, and cursewords. And the post isn't quite gramattically disjointed enough.

In response to tacobreath's comment:

Try reading:

 

 

In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

 

Do you deny that wars have a stimulative effect (though at the cost of blood and public treasure)?

Ask FDR.

In response to tacobreath's comment:

Like I said, you're just pretending.  Why you got banned though I can only guess....

No, they really aren't.  And they're still non sequiturs, anyway.

Again, thanks for playing.  Your door prize should arrive in 4 - 6 weeks.

 

 

Maybe he's tvoter. I thought tvoter used to be someone else with "taco" in the name way back.

 

That would at least explain the link-free, date-free citation of empty statistics with no logic but a whole lot of raspberry sound... 

In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

Seems like a match.  Same lunacy about voter demographics too.

In response to tacobreath's comment:

The Hispanic vote is overblown - if Romney had split the Hispanic vote he might have picked up Florida.  It wouldn't have made a difference in states that overwhelmingly blue or red like California and Texas, and there weren't enough Hispanics in states like Ohio and Wisconsin to make much of a difference.

Maybe Republicans can take voters away in some of these demographic areas, but let's face it - their strongest demographic is literally dying.  They're never going to win the white house this way - if they split off from the tea party, each faction would at least be representing their (purported) beliefs, instead of this ridiculous hybrid that has guys like Mitt Romney pretending to give 2 sh1ts about varmint hunting and abortions.

 

 

BTW, Bush's record re: gas prices was horrendous ...

In response to StalkingButler's comment:

Well...except that the blue dogs and the left wing extreme are not giving two separate responses to the SOTU. Somehow they manage to muddle through as a united party. The same clearly cannot be said for the GOP/Tea Party. They can't even agree on a joint response to a speech.

In response to Newtster's comment:

Though you state it in a funny way, that seems to be the thrust of many of the liberals here.  Discussion, points of view that differ from theirs,  is not allowed.  

In response to miscricket's comment:

 

Rand Paul is going to give the Tea Party response to tonight's State of the Union address. This one fact basically sums up the reason the Republican party is struggling.

Republicans should demand that the Tea Party declare itself a political party and break off from the GOP. The Tea Party wants to have its cake and eat it to. They don't want to do the work to become a legitimate political party...they would rather remain a special interest group and..like parasites feed off a clearly weakened Republican Party.

I am calling on the media to refuse to give air time to Rand Paul and the Tea Party response. The Tea Party is not a registered political party in this country and these responses have always been limited to political party. I call on the Republican party to take back their party..to demand once and for all tha the Tea Party become its own political party.

As long as the GOP allows itself to remain divided in this way...their power and influence will continue to weaken.

 

Well, What's the harm?  If it splits the republicans s, good for your side.

 

In response to skeeter20's comment:

Well..I respectfully disagree Skeeter. I think there is usually great discussion between the forum members when people bring facts to the table...it's when comments are made that are not or cannot be backed up with facts that the debate falls apart.

I love talking politics..I love debating politics...and I love hearing all perspectives..but when someone is clearly a troll..then no..they are not worth the effort. Besides..I am guessing we'd all drive the people in ours lives crazy if we were not able to get our politics fix here..lol

In response to skeeter20's comment:

Well...because I don't think it's about "taking sides".  I just think that if the Tea Party wants to be afforded the privilages of an actual political party..they should actually do the work necessary..rather than hijack a vulnerable GOP party..

 

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I thought the GOP was thirsty tonight .

In response to tacobreath's comment:

No wonder airborne yell at you so much. "Honest" research reveals that even if your 2 trillion tag for Obama is honest, the tag for Bush was far greater.

 

 

Iraq: 800+ Billion, plus potentially up to another trillion through 2050 for vets, plus interest on all that debt service

CBO, trusted when bad for Obama, hated when good for him, estimates long term cost at 1.7 trillion for Iraq. That was in 2007.

Afghanistan: 600+ million

Unfunded prescription: Between 400 and 600 billion over 10ish years, take your pick.

"Initially, the net cost of the program was projected at $400 billion for the ten-year period between 2004 and 2013. One month after passage, the administration estimated that the net cost of the program over the period between 2006 (the first year the program started paying benefits) and 2015 would be $534 billion.As of February 2009, the projected net cost of the program over the 2006 to 2015 period was $549.2 billion"

TARP: 25 billion or so, though perhaps more will be recovered.

And of course, Tax cuts, a mortgage crisis (see my quote from Bush in 2002 "everyone must have a home" in the other thread), a financial crisis.......and trillions of revenue gets knocked out.

Add in thousands of our soldiers dead, a hundred thousand civilians dead, far more maimed, the fact he kept his wars off the books.... and...well... you'll stat to see how awful Bush was.

 

 

Obama stopped that and started to turn things around. We have a long way to go, no doubt. But he is by far not the "worst" president ever.