The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

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    The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

    As close observers of history and human nature, James Madison and the other Founders of the U.S. Constitution knew that the equal and unbiased application of the law to all people, especially elected officials, is essential to freedom and justice and one of the primary safeguards from authoritarianism and oppression by a ruling class.

     

    And so, referring to the members of Congress, James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 57: "[T]hey can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of the society."

     

    Today, elected officials need to be reminded of these truths. Under pressure from Congress, the White House has carved out a special exemption for Congress and its staffers from ObamaCare—the law it recently deemed necessary for the entire country. No Republicans voted for ObamaCare. Yet it appears that some of them support the exemption President Obama approved on his own—so they would not have to go on record with a vote for or against it.

     

    This is the height of hypocrisy, and worse, a trampling of the Founders' code of equal application of the law. Having forced a health law on the American people, the White House and Democrats now seek to insulate themselves from the noxious portions of the law, and from the implementation struggles, indecision and uncertainty that many other Americans face today.

     

    http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/09/23/aigs-benmosche-and-miller-on-villains-turnarounds-and-those-bonuses/

     

     

     
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    Re: The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

    How is Congress 'exempt' from Obamacare?  They don't have to have health insurance, and they don't have to pay a fine?  Is there any other way to be 'exempt' from Obamacare?

     
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    How is Congress 'exempt' from Obamacare?  They don't have to have health insurance, and they don't have to pay a fine?  Is there any other way to be 'exempt' from Obamacare?

    The King waived his bejeweled hand and a "special exemption" came to pass.

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    Think for yourself, question authority.

     
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    Re: The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

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    How is Congress 'exempt' from Obamacare?  They don't have to have health insurance, and they don't have to pay a fine?  Is there any other way to be 'exempt' from Obamacare?



    Staffers are thrown into the exchanges, but get the cost covered largely by the goverment.  In other words, they get something that the companies throwing people into the exhchanges are not getting.

    This might help you understand the issue:

    Rep. Phil Gingrey, Georgia Republican, introduced a bill Tuesday that would reverse the Obama administration’s decision to let members of Congress and their staffs retain an employer subsidy that will pay for the lion’s share of their health premiums even as they enter new health exchanges tied to Obamacare.

    Mr. Gingrey is part of a large chorus of Republican critics who say the Office of Personnel Management decided to “exempt” Congress from the brunt of the Affordable Care Act, since everyday Americans on the exchanges can only get less generous subsidies and no employer-based help.



    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/10/gop-rallies-support-end-congresss-obamacare-exempt/#ixzz2fpNPGqDW 
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    So in other words, Republicans kicked people off their current health care plan, and when their employer (the federal government) tried to compensate them for loss of coverage, neo-cons spun it into this ridiculous 'exemption' narrative.

     

     
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    So in other words, Republicans kicked people off their current health care plan, and when their employer (the federal government) tried to compensate them for loss of coverage, neo-cons spun it into this ridiculous 'exemption' narrative.

     



    I think you missed the part where private sector employees being kicked off their health care are not receiving such compensation.

     
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    So in other words, Republicans kicked people off their current health care plan, and when their employer (the federal government) tried to compensate them for loss of coverage, neo-cons spun it into this ridiculous 'exemption' narrative.

     



    No the law sated as it did for everyone else that would enter the exchanges for healthcare.

    Well, they then realized that their premiums would go up and coverage down they screamed to be let out like the the many unions etc have done.

    The President said no, you must stay in like everyone else but, I will let the taxpayers (who already pay your salaries) pay a large portion of you insurance costs! Something that taxpayers do not get!

     
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    So in other words, Republicans kicked people off their current health care plan, and when their employer (the federal government) tried to compensate them for loss of coverage, neo-cons spun it into this ridiculous 'exemption' narrative.

     

     



    I think you missed the part where private sector employees being kicked off their health care are not receiving such compensation.

     



    skeeter,

    ACC and slomag got it right. It would be nice to acknowledge that major point.

    What happens with private sector emplyees is irrelavant to this thread..."The Hypocrisy of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care Plan". 

     
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    There are thousands of exemptions from Obamacare handed out to political friends. This means that the people that support it don't have to get scrooed by it and the people that oppose it pay for it.

    What happens to private sector employees is certainly relevant to the thread. The difference in how they are treated compared to Congress is the whole point.

    In an ironic twist, the call center employees that will be handling ACA calls - all part -time to keep them off Obamacare.

    Obama and the librul Dems supporting working families! Here is your 25% pay cut! Take one for the Dear Leader and shut the fork up!

     
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    There are thousands of exemptions from Obamacare handed out to political friends. This means that the people that support it don't have to get scrooed by it and the people that oppose it pay for it.

    What happens to private sector employees is certainly relevant to the thread. The difference in how they are treated compared to Congress is the whole point.

    In an ironic twist, the call center employees that will be handling ACA calls - all part -time to keep them off Obamacare.

    Obama and the librul Dems supporting working families! Here is your 25% pay cut! Take one for the Dear Leader and shut the fork up!

     




    Hey spanky, where's your evidence about this mythical 25% pay cut everyone is supposed to get?

     

    Or are you just regurgitating more echo chamber horse hockey to pad your alternate reality?



    It's not mythical.

    Companies are shifting full time employees to part time. ACA defines fulltime work as 30 hours. Part time workers are exempt.

    So before Obamacare, some people were paid for 40 hours. After they get paid for 29.

     
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    Re: The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

    In response to andiejen's comment:

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    So in other words, Republicans kicked people off their current health care plan, and when their employer (the federal government) tried to compensate them for loss of coverage, neo-cons spun it into this ridiculous 'exemption' narrative.

     

     

     



    I think you missed the part where private sector employees being kicked off their health care are not receiving such compensation.

     

     

     



    skeeter,

     

    ACC and slomag got it right. It would be nice to acknowledge that major point.

    What happens with private sector emplyees is irrelavant to this thread..."The Hypocrisy of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care Plan". 



    No it's not irrelevant.  Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands before the year is up, are being thrown into the echanges WITHOUT having their employer fork over $7-10K to cover it.  that is what is happening with the politicians and the staffers.

    The political staffer is $7k richer for the effort, or the private sector employee in the exchenage is $7K poorer, but they are not being treated the same, and it is not irrelevant.

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

     

     

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    There are thousands of exemptions from Obamacare handed out to political friends. This means that the people that support it don't have to get scrooed by it and the people that oppose it pay for it.

    What happens to private sector employees is certainly relevant to the thread. The difference in how they are treated compared to Congress is the whole point.

    In an ironic twist, the call center employees that will be handling ACA calls - all part -time to keep them off Obamacare.

    Obama and the librul Dems supporting working families! Here is your 25% pay cut! Take one for the Dear Leader and shut the fork up!

     

     


    Hey spanky, where's your evidence about this mythical 25% pay cut everyone is supposed to get? Or are you just regurgitating more echo chamber horse hockey to pad your alternate reality?

     

     



    It's not mythical.

    Companies are shifting full time employees to part time. ACA defines fulltime work as 30 hours. Part time workers are exempt.

    So before Obamacare, some people were paid for 40 hours. After they get paid for 29.

     

     

     




    More wingnut wishful thinking.

     

    The number of part-time workers is DROPPING!!!

     

     

    Graph of Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS12032194

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/obamacare-isnt-destroying-jobs-95239.html#ixzz2cXwPzarc

     

     

    Like I said, any evidence or just more "I just know it's true." baloney.



    Dropping, after going on a straight line assension, going from 4 million to 9 million.  Quite a jump.  Now, it is sliding back to 8 million, only a doubling of where it was in 2010.

    You, my freind, are the one full of baloney.

     
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    There are thousands of exemptions from Obamacare handed out to political friends. This means that the people that support it don't have to get scrooed by it and the people that oppose it pay for it.

    What happens to private sector employees is certainly relevant to the thread. The difference in how they are treated compared to Congress is the whole point.

    In an ironic twist, the call center employees that will be handling ACA calls - all part -time to keep them off Obamacare.

    Obama and the librul Dems supporting working families! Here is your 25% pay cut! Take one for the Dear Leader and shut the fork up!

     

     

     




    Hey spanky, where's your evidence about this mythical 25% pay cut everyone is supposed to get?

     

     

     

    Or are you just regurgitating more echo chamber horse hockey to pad your alternate reality?

     

     



    It's not mythical.

     

     

    Companies are shifting full time employees to part time. ACA defines fulltime work as 30 hours. Part time workers are exempt.

    So before Obamacare, some people were paid for 40 hours. After they get paid for 29.

     

     




    More wingnut wishful thinking.

     

    The number of part-time workers is DROPPING!!!

    Graph of Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS12032194

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/obamacare-isnt-destroying-jobs-95239.html#ixzz2cXwPzarc

     

     

    Like I said, any evidence or just more "I just know it's true." baloney.



    Part-time unemployment may be decreasing but it is because of the economy. If it were not for Obamcare there would be fewer part time workers.

     
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    Re: The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

    Due to the Dem philosophy; ...no you don't have time to read the bill its too important so we must ram it through before we lose our Dem majority we now have a mess with untold numbers of unintended consequences.

    Unions got their waivers until 2016 to protect their Cadilac plans but now they realize there's a problem

    Government workers want waivers or additional compensation to protect their Cadilac plans because they realize there's a problem

    Congress and their staff want waivers or additional compensation to protect their Cadilac plans because they realize there's a problem

    Well if the plan as is insn't good enough for unions, government workers and congress; who is it good enough for?

    Maybe just maybe ACA has a series of good ideas but they get lost in a sea of poorly insituted clauses and issues that still aren't understood.

    Repeal and replace is still a better solution; but the Dems can't admit to their grand failure so we are doomed to have a flawed plan to implement.

     

    ...and yes, ACA is having a negative impact on the economy and recovery as hundreds of large firms from UPS to many retailers and firms in the hospitality business work to cut workers hours to get under the min hourly limit to require ACA health benefits.

     

     

    ...the man who really counts in the world is the doer,...  TR 1891

     
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    There are thousands of exemptions from Obamacare handed out to political friends. This means that the people that support it don't have to get scrooed by it and the people that oppose it pay for it.

    What happens to private sector employees is certainly relevant to the thread. The difference in how they are treated compared to Congress is the whole point.

    In an ironic twist, the call center employees that will be handling ACA calls - all part -time to keep them off Obamacare.

    Obama and the librul Dems supporting working families! Here is your 25% pay cut! Take one for the Dear Leader and shut the fork up!

     

     

     




    Hey spanky, where's your evidence about this mythical 25% pay cut everyone is supposed to get?

     

     

     

    Or are you just regurgitating more echo chamber horse hockey to pad your alternate reality?

     

     



    It's not mythical.

     

     

    Companies are shifting full time employees to part time. ACA defines fulltime work as 30 hours. Part time workers are exempt.

    So before Obamacare, some people were paid for 40 hours. After they get paid for 29.

     

     

     

     




    More wingnut wishful thinking.

     

    The number of part-time workers is DROPPING!!!

    Graph of Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS12032194

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/obamacare-isnt-destroying-jobs-95239.html#ixzz2cXwPzarc

     

     

    Like I said, any evidence or just more "I just know it's true." baloney.

     



    Part-time unemployment may be decreasing but it is because of the economy. If it were not for Obamcare there would be fewer part time workers.

     



    Hansoribrother,

    So let me unerstand this. Part time work work was actually DECREASING even as you asserted it was INCREASING. So that was you either being disingeneous or ignorant of the facts.

    Further, the facts do not matter because of Obamacare and the economy.

    Think I got it now.

    Seems you got confused and decided to make debate points for those in favor of Obamacare and President Obama. Thanks.

     
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    Re: The Hypocrisy Of Congress's Gold-Plated Health Care

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

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    So in other words, Republicans kicked people off their current health care plan, and when their employer (the federal government) tried to compensate them for loss of coverage, neo-cons spun it into this ridiculous 'exemption' narrative.

     

     



    I think you missed the part where private sector employees being kicked off their health care are not receiving such compensation.

     



    So if you're a private sector employer offering a health care plan, and you decide to cut that plan, the ACA prevents you from otherwise compensating your employees, who can then purchase health insurance from the exchanges?

     

     
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