THE REPUBLICAN WAR ON WORKERS RIGHTS

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    Okay, ready, set, go. There is no Republican war on workers rights. But at least do the forum...and me...the courtesy of reading the below before you post all the reasons why this is baloney. 


     



    The Republican War on Workers’ Rights
    By COREY ROBIN MAY 18, 2014


    Midterm elections are like fancy software: Experts love them, end-users couldn’t care less. But if the 2010 elections are any indication, we might not want to doze off as we head into the summer months before November. Midterm elections at the state level can have tremendous consequences, especially for low-wage workers. What you don’t know can hurt you — or them.


    In 2010, the Republicans won control of the executive and legislative branches in 11 states (there are now more than 20 such states). Inspired by business groups like the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers, they proceeded to rewrite the rules of work, passing legislation designed to enhance the position of employers at the expense of employees.


    The University of Oregon political scientist Gordon Lafer, who wrote an eye-opening report on this topic last October for the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank in Washington, looked at dozens of bills affecting workers. The legislation involved unemployment insurance, the minimum wage, child labor, collective bargaining, sick days, even meal breaks. Despite frequent Republican claims to be defending local customs and individual liberty, Mr. Lafer found a “cookie-cutter” pattern to their legislation. Not only did it consistently favor employers over workers, it also tilted toward big government over local government. And it often abridged the economic rights of individuals.



    Alain Pilon
    Take the case of tipped workers and the minimum wage. In most states, tipped workers earn an hourly wage that is less than the federal minimum — the federal subminimum wage for tipped workers is $2.13 per hour — because they’re supposed to make up the rest in tips. (They often don’t; the poverty rate among waiters and waitresses is 250 percent higher than it is among the general work force.) But non-serving staff who don’t get tips must be paid the minimum wage.


    Republican state legislators have devised a way around that. In 2011, lawmakers in Wyoming introduced a bill that would have allowed restaurants and other employers to force their serving staff to pool their tips; tips would be redistributed among the nonserving staff, who could then be paid the subminimum wage. That same year, Maine legislators passed a bill declaring that “service charges” were not tips at all. Because they aren’t tips, they don’t belong to the serving staff. Employers can pocket them — without informing customers — whether they redistribute them among the staff or keep them.


    In both cases, conservative Republicans supported the right of employers to take money that workers had earned. This disregard for the earnings of workers is only an extreme manifestation of a more common phenomenon among Republican legislators: their indifference to the problem of wage theft.


    Wage theft refers to the practice among employers of taking money from their employees by illegally paying them less than the minimum wage or not paying them overtime. According to one multicity study, in a single week, nearly two-thirds of low-wage workers had, on average, 15 percent of their pay stolen by their employers.


    One of the causes of this epidemic of wage theft — which, according to Mr. Lafer’s E.P.I. report, involves sums “far greater than the combined total stolen in all the bank robberies, gas station robberies, and convenience store robberies in the country” — is lax enforcement of the country’s wage and hour laws. In 1941, there was one federal inspector for every 11,000 workers. As of 2008, there was one for every 141,000 workers. “The average employer has just a 0.001 percent chance of being investigated in a given year,” Mr. Lafer estimates. Because there is so little risk of getting caught, one-third of all employers who have been found guilty of violating wage and hour laws continue to do it.


    In 2010, liberal legislators in Miami-Dade County decided to take matters into their own hands. They passed an anti-wage-theft ordinance, resulting in more than 600 prosecutions and $1.7 million recovered in stolen pay in the first year alone. Miami-Dade’s success inspired Broward and Palm Beach Counties to propose similar measures.


    In response, Republican legislators in Tallahassee tried to pass a bill that would prohibit any “county, municipality, or political subdivision of the state” from enacting laws, rules, ordinances or regulations “for the purpose of addressing wage theft.” They failed, so they tried again. This time, the bill passed the Florida House, but failed in the Senate.


    Where conservatives often style themselves as the champions of local control — Ronald Reagan called for a government with “as much law and decision-making authority as possible kept at the local level” — the Florida example suggests that they have no compunction about sacrificing that principle when it threatens business interests.


    Over the last four decades, for example, low-wage workers have been hit hard by the declining value of the federal minimum wage. In the absence of federal action, states, cities and counties have increased the minimum wage or indexed it to inflation (or both) to ensure that it keep pace with rising costs.


    Republican politicians in state capitals have tried to check them at every point. Florida, Indiana and Mississippi have banned local governments from increasing the minimum wage. In Nevada, Missouri and Arizona, state legislators tried to overturn constitutional amendments and ballot initiatives. In 2011, New Hampshire’s Republican legislature simply abolished the state’s minimum wage.


    State legislators have also overridden local efforts to grant employees a right to paid sick days. Nearly 40 percent of private-sector workers have no such right. So Milwaukee and Orange County in Florida tried to establish one within their jurisdictions (as New York City did recently). In Wisconsin, state legislators overturned Milwaukee’s ordinance. In Florida, they simply prohibited any city or county from passing such an ordinance. Other states, including Louisiana and Mississippi, have done the same.


    Perhaps most surprising is the willingness of Republican legislators to expose the individual to the intrusion and interference of the state. In Tennessee, a bill sponsored by ALEC members that was passed in 2012 stipulated a series of deadlines at which an unemployed worker would have to start accepting a lower-paying job or lose her unemployment benefits. After 13 weeks, she would have to accept any job paying at least 75 percent of her previous wage; after 25 weeks, 70 percent; and after 38 weeks, 65 percent. To ensure compliance with these byzantine regulations (the red tape Republicans so often claim to oppose), the bill required anyone receiving unemployment insurance to submit detailed weekly reports showing that she had applied for at least three jobs per week. It also mandated that the State Department of Labor to audit 1,000 recipients per week. This time, Republicans managed to find the personnel.


    The overall thrust of this state legislation is to create workers who are docile and employers who are empowered. That may be why Republican legislators in Idaho, Wisconsin, Michigan, Maine, Ohio, Minnesota, Utah and Missouri have been so eager to ease restrictions on when and how much children can work. High schoolers should learn workplace virtues, says the conservative commentator Ben Stein, like “not talking back.” Early exposure to employment will teach 12-year-olds, as the spokesman of an Idaho school district put it, that “you have to do what you’re asked, what your supervisor is telling you.”


    And if workers don’t learn that lesson in junior high, recent Republican changes to state unemployment codes will ensure that they learn it as adults. In 2011, Florida stipulated that any employee fired for “deliberate violation or disregard of the reasonable standards of behavior which the employer expects” would be ineligible for unemployment benefits. Arkansas passed a similar amendment (“violation of any behavioral policies of the employer”). The following year so did South Carolina (“deliberate violations or disregard of standards of behavior which the employer has the right to expect”) and Tennessee. The upshot of these changes is that any employee breaking the rules of her employer — be they posting comments about work on Facebook, dating a co-worker or an employee from a rival firm, going to the bathroom without permission — can be fired and denied unemployment. Faced with that double penalty, any worker might think twice about crossing her boss.


    What might Adam Smith, often claimed as the intellectual godfather of the American right, have said about these legislative efforts? “Whenever the legislature attempts to regulate the differences between masters and their workmen,” wrote Smith in “The Wealth of Nations,” “its counsellors are always the masters. When the regulation, therefore, is in favour of the workmen, it is always just and equitable; but it is sometimes otherwise when in favour of the masters.”


    Indeed.


     


     


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    War on this, war on that.  Blah, blah, blah.

    progressivism is a war on humanity.  It destroys everyone for the benefit of the progressive elite.

     
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    There are laws on the books that make wage theft illegal. Lax enforcement is not a problem because evil Republicans passed some law making wage theft legal. And the author makes the typical "mistake" of confusing conservatives with Republicans.

    On the other side of this coin we have such wonderful anti-worker laws like prevailing wage. There are extremes on both sides.

    For example, the moron who wrote this articlel - do they support amnesty and illegal immigration? If so it sort of puts a lie to their  concern of a so-called Republican war on workers.

     
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    The article cites a law requiring tips to be distributed among all staff...and then spuriously claims that this amounts to employer theft of employee wages...HUH?


     


    Minimum wage increases result in few entry level jobs, so the left is continuing its war on jobs....


     


    Unemployment benefits were for those who were laid off through no fault of their own, not fired for cause.


     


    Low wage workers need an opportunity to move on to better things, a higher wage job....liberal statist policies  have betrayed them..liberals seem to want to have them settle for the crumbs the regulatory state will give them.....


     


    And what is wrong about giving younger teenagers (typically called "children" by the Nanny State worshippers) an opportunity to work and learn ?  The nanny state thinks of all citizens as "children"...

     
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    There are laws on the books that make wage theft illegal. Lax enforcement is not a problem because evil Republicans passed some law making wage theft legal. And the author makes the typical "mistake" of confusing conservatives with Republicans.

    On the other side of this coin we have such wonderful anti-worker laws like prevailing wage. There are extremes on both sides.


    For example, the moron who wrote this articlel - do they support amnesty and illegal immigration? If so it sort of puts a lie to their  concern of a so-called Republican war on workers.






    Wait, didn't the 'conservative'/gop-er hero Ronnie-raygun grant amnesty to virtually every illegal immigrant in the US at the time?


    Another point: Poll: GOP voters back immigration reform


    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true


    Pretty much destroys your argument.

     
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    And last but not least...apparently unemployment benefits to progressives are welfare, an entitlement forever....any requirement that those receiving unemployment benefits look for another job and become a worker, is bizarrely labelled a 'war on workers'...(hint: if you are on unemployment, you unfortunately arent a worker)

     
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    The article cites a law requiring tips to be polled among staff...and then spuriously claims that this amounts to employer theft of employee wages...HUH?


    Huh? is right ... what part about keeping what you earn and not being forced to distribute those earnings to others is so alien to the wingnuts? Apparently to wingnuts, taxes are "confiscation" but employers confiscating a workers wages, instead of the employer's money, to distribute to other workers is peachy-keen.


     


    Minimum wage increases result in few entry level jobs, so the left is continuing its war on jobs....


    Minimum wage has been shown to have little to no effect on jobs while directly raising the standard of living so quit with the canards.


     


    Low wage workers need an opportunity to move on to better things, a higher wage job....liberal statist policies  have betrayed them..liberals seem to want to have them settle for the crumbs the regulatory state will give them.....


    Now that's just freaking hilarious, especially in light of the OP. The article presents evidence that wingnuts, through regulation, are taking even those 'crumbs' from the min wage workers. Nothing in the minimum wage laws keeps anyone from moving to better opportunities so that's just another CLC bs lie.


     


    And what is wrong about giving younger teenagers (typically called "children" by the Nanny State worshippers) an opportunity to work and learn ?  The nanny state thinks of all citizens as "children"...


    So let me get this straight. The wingnuts want to lift the restrictions on child labor which comes at the expense of other activities like say school and yet you expect these same kids to be able to move on to better jobs at some point. How does that work? Hows a kid supposed to gain the education necessary to advance when he's working a full-time job? As usual you wingnuts have everything bass ackwards.


     
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    And last but not least...apparently unemployment benefits to progressives are welfare, an entitlement forever....any requirement that those receiving unemployment benefits look for another job and become a worker, is bizarrely labelled a 'war on workers'...(hint: if you are on unemployment, you unfortunately arent a worker)

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    What the heck are you babbling on about?

    Did someone forget to take their medication today?

    Last time I checked, UI has a time limit. Did that suddenly change?

    Ya, I didn't think so ... so quit with the bullcrappe.

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

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    Easy peasy, huh?

    Just have the Nanny State require sick days for all employees, regardless of the position, regardless of the size of the business..

    Result: fewer startup businesses due to higher cost of hiring...no job growth from existing small business, due to the high cost of hiring a new employee...

    You wonder why Europe has obscenely high unemployment rates...because they mandate so many entitlements to every new employee...so it is not worth hiring new employees...

    There isnt any free lunch....

     

     
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    Easy peasy, huh?

    Just have the Nanny State require sick days for all employees, regardless of the position, regardless of the size of the business..

    Result: fewer startup businesses due to higher cost of hiring...no job growth from existing small business, due to the high cost of hiring a new employee...

    You wonder why Europe has obscenely high unemployment rates...because they mandate so many entitlements to every new employee...so it is not worth hiring new employees...

    There isnt any free lunch....

     

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    Some burden.  We're talking about a roughly $200 per year benefit for people at minimum wage.

     
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    Easy peasy, huh?

    Just have the Nanny State require sick days for all employees, regardless of the position, regardless of the size of the business..

    Result: fewer startup businesses due to higher cost of hiring...no job growth from existing small business, due to the high cost of hiring a new employee...

    You wonder why Europe has obscenely high unemployment rates...because they mandate so many entitlements to every new employee...so it is not worth hiring new employees...

    There isnt any free lunch....

     

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    Some burden.  We're talking about a roughly $200 per year benefit for people at minimum wage.

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    Where did you come up wuth the $200 figure?

    Entry level employees would be smart to focus on methods to ensure they can move up in the working world, rather than focus on marginal issues like sick days...

     
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    Easy peasy, huh?

    Just have the Nanny State require sick days for all employees, regardless of the position, regardless of the size of the business..

    Result: fewer startup businesses due to higher cost of hiring...no job growth from existing small business, due to the high cost of hiring a new employee...

    You wonder why Europe has obscenely high unemployment rates...because they mandate so many entitlements to every new employee...so it is not worth hiring new employees...

    There isnt any free lunch....

     

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    Some burden.  We're talking about a roughly $200 per year benefit for people at minimum wage.

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    Where did you come up wuth the $200 figure?

    Entry level employees would be smart to focus on methods to ensure they can move up in the working world, rather than focus on marginal issues like sick days...

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    3-5 days per year at minumum wage comes in around $200.

    Its only a 'marginal' issue to those who get the benefit and take it for granted.....sounds like you may fall into this category.

    When you're sick, you should stay home and recover.  40% of the private workforce doesn't have this option if missing work means not getting paid.

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

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    I take it from your reply that you are not a private sector worker.

    Not everyone gets to live off the backs of the taxpayer.

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

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    I take it from your reply that you are not a private sector worker.

    Not everyone gets to live off the backs of the taxpayer.

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    I have 24 years under my belt as a private sector worker, 0 in the public sector.

    You really have poor instincts and grasp of reality.  My suggestion would be for you to say the exact opposite of what your initial thought is.  I bet you'd be right nearly 100% of the time by doing this.

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

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    I take it from your reply that you are not a private sector worker.

    Not everyone gets to live off the backs of the taxpayer.

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    Even if you ever raised a valid point (which you almost never have) they would be defeated by your constant pointless insults.

     
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    Liberal policies handcuffing small business have made the most important element of the US economy, job growth,  quite sick....the US economy has been on sick leave for the past 6 years, from an overdose of  Government intervention. 

    The cure is to get rid of the failed policies. 

     
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    The Swiss, one of the most prosperous countries in the world has no minimum wage and just turned down 24.65, in fact they have no minimum wage.

    minimum wage jobs are not career jobs, and not meant to raise a family, they are for entry level jobs to gain experience.

    according to the numbers the dems gave the cob, there would be a net loss of income to these workers of $20m a mon th. That sure is helping them out now isn't it

    What do we learn?

    never let a socialist run anything, especially the economy

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 


    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 


     




    I take it from your reply that you are not a private sector worker.


    Not everyone gets to live off the backs of the taxpayer.


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    Even if you ever raised a valid point (which you almost never have) they would be defeated by your constant pointless insults.


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    Another obvious feeder at the public trough.


    but, seriously.  My experience has been that those who work in the public sector, with pensions, job security, early retirements, do not have the experience set to be making decisions about what it is like in the private sector, and therefore, should follow the advice they are wont to give the rest of us: just shut up and sit down.

     
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    There are laws on the books that make wage theft illegal. Lax enforcement is not a problem because evil Republicans passed some law making wage theft legal. And the author makes the typical "mistake" of confusing conservatives with Republicans.

    On the other side of this coin we have such wonderful anti-worker laws like prevailing wage. There are extremes on both sides.


    For example, the moron who wrote this articlel - do they support amnesty and illegal immigration? If so it sort of puts a lie to their  concern of a so-called Republican war on workers.

     

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    Wait, didn't the 'conservative'/gop-er hero Ronnie-raygun grant amnesty to virtually every illegal immigrant in the US at the time?

     

    Another point: Poll: GOP voters back immigration reform

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true

     

    Pretty much destroys your argument.

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    Just because Reagan supported amnesty doesn't mean the moron who wrote the piece is all of the sudden not a hypocrite. 

    There are extremes on both sides. If the Republicans are guilty of a War on Workers for a few pieces of legislation then the Democraps are guilty of a War on the Taxpayer. 

     
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    There are laws on the books that make wage theft illegal. Lax enforcement is not a problem because evil Republicans passed some law making wage theft legal. And the author makes the typical "mistake" of confusing conservatives with Republicans.

    On the other side of this coin we have such wonderful anti-worker laws like prevailing wage. There are extremes on both sides.


    For example, the moron who wrote this articlel - do they support amnesty and illegal immigration? If so it sort of puts a lie to their  concern of a so-called Republican war on workers.

     

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    Wait, didn't the 'conservative'/gop-er hero Ronnie-raygun grant amnesty to virtually every illegal immigrant in the US at the time?

     

    Another point: Poll: GOP voters back immigration reform

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true

     

    Pretty much destroys your argument.

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    Just because Reagan supported amnesty doesn't mean the moron who wrote the piece is all of the sudden not a hypocrite. 

    There are extremes on both sides. If the Republicans are guilty of a War on Workers for a few pieces of legislation then the Democraps are guilty of a War on the Taxpayer. 

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    The Democrats think they are doing the taxpayer a favor by relieving us from the burden of having to spend our own money.

     
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    The Swiss, one of the most prosperous countries in the world has no minimum wage and just turned down 24.65, in fact they have no minimum wage.

    minimum wage jobs are not career jobs, and not meant to raise a family, they are for entry level jobs to gain experience.

    according to the numbers the dems gave the cob, there would be a net loss of income to these workers of $20m a mon th. That sure is helping them out now isn't it

    What do we learn?

    never let a socialist run anything, especially the economy

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    Switzerland also has extensive social programs, compulsory military service, fully invested infrastructure, environmental protections and universal health care, so there's that.

    Norway and Sweden also have widespread social safety nets with no minimum wage and manage to be quite prosperous.

     

     
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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

     

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

     

     

     

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    I take it from your reply that you are not a private sector worker.

     

     

    Not everyone gets to live off the backs of the taxpayer.

     

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    Even if you ever raised a valid point (which you almost never have) they would be defeated by your constant pointless insults.

     

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    Another obvious feeder at the public trough.

     

    but, seriously.  My experience has been that those who work in the public sector, with pensions, job security, early retirements, do not have the experience set to be making decisions about what it is like in the private sector, and therefore, should follow the advice they are wont to give the rest of us: just shut up and sit down.

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    You are extremely ignorant. Nothing else needs to be said.

     
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    Re: THE REPUBLICAN WAR ON WORKERS RIGHTS

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    There's a lot of facts in the article to be outraged at.  I'll pick one......40% of all private sector workers do not get 'sick days'. 

     

    What century are we living in?  Do we really want our grocery handlers and food service employees on the job with something potentially contagious? 

     

     

     

     

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    I take it from your reply that you are not a private sector worker.

     

     

    Not everyone gets to live off the backs of the taxpayer.

     

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    Even if you ever raised a valid point (which you almost never have) they would be defeated by your constant pointless insults.

     

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    Another obvious feeder at the public trough.

     

    but, seriously.  My experience has been that those who work in the public sector, with pensions, job security, early retirements, do not have the experience set to be making decisions about what it is like in the private sector, and therefore, should follow the advice they are wont to give the rest of us: just shut up and sit down.

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    You are extremely ignorant. Nothing else needs to be said.

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    Hah! Another payroll patriot crawls back from his break to take a shot.

    if you work in the public sector, just shut your trap.  You know nothing about being a real working man.

     
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    Re: THE REPUBLICAN WAR ON WORKERS RIGHTS

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    There are laws on the books that make wage theft illegal. Lax enforcement is not a problem because evil Republicans passed some law making wage theft legal. And the author makes the typical "mistake" of confusing conservatives with Republicans.

    On the other side of this coin we have such wonderful anti-worker laws like prevailing wage. There are extremes on both sides.


    For example, the moron who wrote this articlel - do they support amnesty and illegal immigration? If so it sort of puts a lie to their  concern of a so-called Republican war on workers.

     

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    Wait, didn't the 'conservative'/gop-er hero Ronnie-raygun grant amnesty to virtually every illegal immigrant in the US at the time?

     

    Another point: Poll: GOP voters back immigration reform

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/poll-immigration-reform-gop-voters-2014-106801.html?google_editors_picks=true

     

    Pretty much destroys your argument.

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    Reagan did not get what he was promised

     

    conservatives understand that you cannot round evry illegal up and send them home

    they don't want citizenship for them either

    and they want to make sure that in fI've years we have the sam mess

    But being ohole writes his own laws, let's 36k criminal illegals go free, how can anyone have faith in ohole and fast and furious Holder

    what will probably happen is that it will be a mess just like and when it doesn't work they will blame bush

    Further more there should be great disbelief that if any law is written that illegals will come forth at all. 

     
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