The View From the Conservative Cocoon

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    The View From the Conservative Cocoon

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2012/11/the-view-from-the-cocoon-of-denial-and-epistemic-closure/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-view-from-the-cocoon-of-denial-and-epistemic-closure

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    Massie mentions and directly quotes several NRO bloggers and their various encomiums and denials in the wake of the election. It's not pretty, but it's symptomatic, IMO. If these are the leading thought leaders for the right, their problems are much bigger than one election.  

    Quote: ...And what these eight responses demonstrate is the extent to which many conservatives believed their own propaganda. This is what it’s like to live in a cocoon. The apparent inability to appreciate why any sane person might contemplate voting for Barack Obama is evidence of, well, of the closing of the conservative mind.

     

     
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    The level to which the FoxNews crowd insulated itself from the reality of this election left them delusional about the likely outcome.  Clearly they need to re-read the chapter in the bible that explains polling and sample size.

    Anyone who looked at the polls knew that Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa, and Pennsylvania did not really ever appear to be going to Romney.  In 2 straight election cycles, Rasmussen, has missed badly when favoring GOP candidates.  The FoxNews crowd would take outlier polls from right leaning sources and pretend they were more valid than all the other polls.  

    It was so evident with Rove on election night.  He had believed his own falsehoods for so long he was astounded when they didn't come true.  Of course the great part of that whole Rove debacle was that in the end Obama didn't even need Ohio to win.  You want Ohio Karl?  I'll let you have it.

     

     

     
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    I don't think Karl believed the tale he was spinning, I think Karl was trying to put up a good fight (albeit a futile one) because he had taken so much money, upwards of 300 million, from people who literally invested in defeating Obama and he was watching all that cash go down the drain.  I am sure he paid himself handsomely from that haul, and so if he is to be a credible Super PAC organizer in the future he had to at least sell the perception that he was fighting for the outcome his supporters expected. 

    Regardless Rove's brand took a huge hit and the "architect" was exposed for the fraud that he is.  Need proof?  He is still peddling explanations for the loss and today's excuse was Obama suppressed the vote by badmouthing Romney.  In other words Obama did the same stuff every other politician, including Romney, did.  He highlighted his strengths and his opponents weaknesses.  Inside the bubble, that's called "voter suppression"*, apparently. 

    *Not to be confused with the actual attempts at voter suppression and disenfranchisement that many GOP led states implemented.  Inside the bubble that's called "good policy"

     
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    I don't think Karl believed the tale he was spinning, I think Karl was trying to put up a good fight (albeit a futile one) because he had taken so much money, upwards of 300 million, from people who literally invested in defeating Obama and he was watching all that cash go down the drain.  I am sure he paid himself handsomely from that haul, and so if he is to be a credible Super PAC organizer in the future he had to at least sell the perception that he was fighting for the outcome his supporters expected. 

    Regardless Rove's brand took a huge hit and the "architect" was exposed for the fraud that he is.  Need proof?  He is still peddling explanations for the loss and today's excuse was Obama suppressed the vote by badmouthing Romney.  In other words Obama did the same stuff every other politician, including Romney, did.  He highlighted his strengths and his opponents weaknesses.  Inside the bubble, that's called "voter suppression"*, apparently. 

    *Not to be confused with the actual attempts at voter suppression and disenfranchisement that many GOP led states implemented.  Inside the bubble that's called "good policy"

     

    You make a good point on Rove.  He took a lot of money and I'm sure promised way more than he delivered, so he no doubt has some very frustrated investors.

    Adelson and the Koch's have no problem dropping 10's of millions of dollars into the elections but in no way do they want that same money to go towards taxes.  Goes to show  they obviously can afford a 3-4 percent tax hike

     
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    What are the chances that this is the end of Karl Rove?  or maybe he'll just go back to running robocalls accusing the adopted children of politicians to be the half black result of an affair between the politician and a prostitute.

    Satan has a special place waiting for Karl Rove.

     
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    I don't think most of the personalities on Fox are smart enough to form opinions on their own, especially the people on FOX and friends.

     
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    I don't think most of the personalities on Fox are smart enough to form opinions on their own, especially the people on FOX and friends.




    I think they actually believe the mis-information they tell each other and thus tell their viewers.  The polls painted a pretty clear picture and for the most part that is how it played out but the FoxNews crowd spent so much time talking to each other about how they were going to win, I think they really believed it.  You can go back and look at the polls, and what you find is that in places like Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, etc... the late polling predicted what was going to happen.

    Turns out that data is actually more reliable than the opinions of biased pundits.

     
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    They're not fessing up to the problem, their constituency is dying and they are not attracting young people, losing women and failing to attract minorities especially the fastest Hispanic/Latino demographic.

     

    If you just focus on the made up war on women which created a 60/40 GOP gender gap that was the election alone.

     

         *if it was just a 56/44 gender gap Romney would have won

     

    If you look at the Hispanic/Latino problem who BTW are naturally conservative a significant number were just pushed over the edge by the GOP immigration position.  So if the GOP goes back 10 years and tries at immigration again maybe letting Rubio lead they can counter the problem.

     

         *if the problem was a 75/25 split then a 65/35 split would have given Romney 2 pts and the election

     

    The GOP can fix their problem if they see it; the problem is that there are those who think moderates can't win; McCain now Romney.   The thing to remember is that winning in '08 was impossible because the country had Bush/GOP fatigue and McCain almost won.  Romney didn't lose because he was a moderate he lost because he let the Dems define him along with some stupid Dem senators who enraged the women vote.

     

     
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    Oh Mass - the made up war on women.  That's the problem right there.  You say the republicans are in denial and then prove your own point by demonstrating your denial.

    In 2011, there were 80 anti-abortion laws passed.  In 2010, there were less than 40 and in 2008, there were less than 15.

    The republicans in congress wanted to allow employers to deny coverage of contraceptive methods to women.

    They voted against equal pay.

    They want to cut welfare, which primarily hurts single mothers.

    And let's not get into them wanting to force women to carry to term pregnancies as a result of rape, comparing a rape preganancy to having an unmarried daughter becoming pregnant, etc.

    All Romney had to do was flip flop on the Dream Act and he would have been president.  Stupid is as stupid does.

     
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    Re: The View From the Conservative Cocoon

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    You make a good point on Rove.  He took a lot of money and I'm sure promised way more than he delivered, so he no doubt has some very frustrated investors.

    Adelson and the Koch's have no problem dropping 10's of millions of dollars into the elections but in no way do they want that same money to go towards taxes.  Goes to show  they obviously can afford a 3-4 percent tax hike




    I have to say that it brings me a lot of joy watching these creeps lose.  They willingly squander millions of their own money on losing political causes, yet they would howl like toddlers if you raised their tax bill by even a few thousand. Penny-wise, pound foolish.....and lousy citizens.

     
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    Dems didn't make up the war on women, the GOP said the things they said whether it was demonizing Sandra Fluke as a sl*t, actively trying to roll back reproductive rights even up to and including transvaginal probing just to obtain a legal abortion, Todd Akin and Mourdock really stepped in with their rape comments - something even Ann Coulter (ANN COULTER!) has noted the nation will never stand for, trying to defund planned parethood which serves primarily underpriveledged women with services far beyond abortions, etc, etc.  These things happened.  These things were said.  The Democrats just made sure that everyone heard it. 

    Thats high level stuff each of those separate issues involved many more people fromt he right chiming in to support all of those things so these are not isolated issues that were unfairly exploited, these are issue the GOP alignment with the fringe right have to say because its what party members beleive.  Not all of them, of course, but if you happen to run a guy for Senate that thinks there is such a thing as legitimate rape then you have no right to complain with Democrats say the party hates women. 

     
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    This is the 2nd time today I've read that Hispanics are "naturally coservative" or "conservative by nature".  Aside from finding it a little problematic and naive to try and generalize the socio-political leanings of an entire race of people, it also just really isn't all that true.

    There is a false assumption that because religion is a big part of the Hispanic/Latino community that their social political leanings are aligned with White evangelicals, but they are not.  They is actually research that shows that the Latino community is in favor of Marriage equality and roughly on par with national averages regarding women's choice.

    The idea that the Hispanic electorate is going to forget which party passed racial profiling in Arizona or which party has repeatedly stopped the DREAM Act in Congress and simply go GOP because of Gay marriage or abortion is ridiculous.

    The GOP probably can count on winning more of the Hispanic vote in future elections mainly because it would be tough to do much worse than Romney did.

     
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    Re: The View From the Conservative Cocoon

    Don't look now, but...

    Rove went on foxnews just today and claimed that Obama won the election by "suppressing the vote"...

    ...without a shred of evidence to back up his accusation.

    Can't make this stuff up.

     

     
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    Re: The View From the Conservative Cocoon

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    Don't look now, but...

    Rove went on foxnews just today and claimed that Obama won the election by "suppressing the vote"...

    ...without a shred of evidence to back up his accusation.

    Can't make this stuff up.

     



    evidence is optional on that channel.

     
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    I have to say that it brings me a lot of joy watching these creeps lose.  They willingly squander millions of their own money on losing political causes, yet they would howl like toddlers if you raised their tax bill by even a few thousand. Penny-wise, pound foolish.....and lousy citizens.

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    When you say you can't afford a 4% tax increase and then go out and spend millions, if not 10's of millions, to try and elect the guy who will lower your taxes, you look transparent and shallow.

    Of course, not as bad as the dirtbag who threatened to lay off workers if Obama won while simultaneously builiding a 90,000 square foot, 100 million dollar house for himself. 

     
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    Re: The View From the Conservative Cocoon

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    The level to which the FoxNews crowd insulated itself from the reality of this election left them delusional about the likely outcome.  Clearly they need to re-read the chapter in the bible that explains polling and sample size.

    Anyone who looked at the polls knew that Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa, and Pennsylvania did not really ever appear to be going to Romney.  In 2 straight election cycles, Rasmussen, has missed badly when favoring GOP candidates.  The FoxNews crowd would take outlier polls from right leaning sources and pretend they were more valid than all the other polls.  

    It was so evident with Rove on election night.  He had believed his own falsehoods for so long he was astounded when they didn't come true.  Of course the great part of that whole Rove debacle was that in the end Obama didn't even need Ohio to win.  You want Ohio Karl?  I'll let you have it.

     

     



    What they lack is the expereince some of us have here, thatis, living behind enemy lines.

    Ad BTW: no need to take a wack at christians with your bible reference.  Are not christians part of your diversity?  Or, like most secular liberals, it is OK to hate christians and jews.  Just the muslims and global warmists that are part of your diversity.

    If the bible bothers you so much, why don't you start a referendum to ban it?

     

     
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    In response to Thesemenarecowards's comment:

    The level to which the FoxNews crowd insulated itself from the reality of this election left them delusional about the likely outcome.  Clearly they need to re-read the chapter in the bible that explains polling and sample size.

    Anyone who looked at the polls knew that Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa, and Pennsylvania did not really ever appear to be going to Romney.  In 2 straight election cycles, Rasmussen, has missed badly when favoring GOP candidates.  The FoxNews crowd would take outlier polls from right leaning sources and pretend they were more valid than all the other polls.  

    It was so evident with Rove on election night.  He had believed his own falsehoods for so long he was astounded when they didn't come true.  Of course the great part of that whole Rove debacle was that in the end Obama didn't even need Ohio to win.  You want Ohio Karl?  I'll let you have it.

     

     



    What they lack is the expereince some of us have here, thatis, living behind enemy lines.

    Ad BTW: no need to take a wack at christians with your bible reference.  If it bothers you so much, why don't you start a referendum to ban it?

     



    The Bible reference is because the FoxNews crowd was relying on "belief" leading up to the election, while the Left had facts. 

    Kind of like the climate change debate.

     
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    What they lack is the expereince some of us have here, thatis, living behind enemy lines.

     




    You only think we're the 'enemy'; some of us are trying to help.

    And quite a few of them live in D.C., L.A. and NYC - not exactly conservative bastions....

     

     
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    Behind enemy lines.  Thats rich.  Why not move to a true red state then, of course, states like MA will be subsidizing the existence of many of the people that live there, but you know, socialism or something. 

     
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    Skeets isn't moving anywhere. He/She knows how good we have it here.

     
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    Skeets isn't moving anywhere. He/She knows how good we have it here.



    Absolutely.  He lives to complain.  This is the perfect place for such a a righty ideologue.

     
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    Behind enemy lines.  Thats rich.  Why not move to a true red state then, of course, states like MA will be subsidizing the existence of many of the people that live there, but you know, socialism or something. 




    Been planning to do so for a few yers now, actually closer to ten.  I have some family obligations that need to be fulfilled.  That's keeping me local for the next few years.

     

    Hence, behind enemy lines, taking care of kin.

     
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    Behind enemy lines.  Thats rich.  Why not move to a true red state then, of course, states like MA will be subsidizing the existence of many of the people that live there, but you know, socialism or something. 




    Been planning to do so for a few yers now, actually closer to ten.  I have some family obligations that need to be fulfilled.  That's keeping me local for the next few years.

     

    Hence, behind enemy lines, taking care of kin.




    You should move your kin to the red state with you. I'm sure the red states are better equipped for such things.

     
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    Skeets isn't moving anywhere. He/She knows how good we have it here.



    Absolutely.  He lives to complain.  This is the perfect place for such a a righty ideologue.




    Sure. Someday you might want to have your own thoughts, and not always go with the consensus of the faculty lounge.

     

     
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    Re: The View From the Conservative Cocoon

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    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2012/11/the-view-from-the-cocoon-of-denial-and-epistemic-closure/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-view-from-the-cocoon-of-denial-and-epistemic-closure

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    Massie mentions and directly quotes several NRO bloggers and their various encomiums and denials in the wake of the election. It's not pretty, but it's symptomatic, IMO. If these are the leading thought leaders for the right, their problems are much bigger than one election.  

    Quote: ...And what these eight responses demonstrate is the extent to which many conservatives believed their own propaganda. This is what it’s like to live in a cocoon. The apparent inability to appreciate why any sane person might contemplate voting for Barack Obama is evidence of, well, of the closing of the conservative mind.

     



    These are not conservatives; these are pretending conservatives to justify their hellacious agenda

     
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