The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own "plan B" bill.

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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

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     Not for nothing but from a rep standpoint this move doesn't surprise me at all.

     Remember, there has been no change since last election. Same pres, same senate, same house. Why would anyone think that they could agree on a budget now when they couldn't before?

     




    Just a thought: patriotism.  We are a nation built on the idea of compromise.  It started with the Constitutional Convention and continued until quite recently.  Extremism will kill this country.  Only mindless ideological zealots would expose the country to an economic crash so as to protect a small tax increase on millionaires. But that is what we have...




     I'm not disagreeing with you. Alas, we have an extremely polarized sense of politics at this time and I don't see any room for compromise (on either side of the aisle).

     If the elections had brought a change in the Pres, senate, or house, then I believe something could've been worked out, but everything stayed the same, and as such the sides will not agree. It's a rotten way to play the game of politics but I don't see any way of not going over the cliff.

     

     
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    The President's counter-proposal include:

    • $1.2 trillion in new income tax revenuewith a 39.6 percent (up from 35 percent) on income of $400,000 or more.
    • $1.2 trillion in spending cutsdivided this way: $800 billion in cuts; $290 billion in interest savings due to lower deficits; $130 billion in cost-of-living adjustments - - with specific protections to preserve increases for economically disadvantaged beneficiaries. Because changing cost-of-living adjustments would also affect where people fell in various tax brackets, this move would raise $90 billion
    • The $800 billion in cuts would come from $400 billion in savings to health care entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid; $200 billion in better tax revenue collection, increased financial transaction fees and reduced federal employee benefits.
    • $200 billion in domestic discretionary -- annual spending on basic government functions - divided equally between defense and non-defense programs.
    • At least $50 billion devoted next year to infrastructure spending and more in latter years - figures still subject to negotiation.
    • A one-year extension of unemployment insurance benefits.

    The President is not proposing to cut spending. He’s only proposing to reduce future spending growth . In other words, his “spending cut” is only a cut if you play the dishonest DC game of measuring “cuts” against a baseline of ever-expanding government.

    Same as the phony numbers on Obamacare. Raise taxes immediately, then in year 9 of a mythical 10 year budget you supposedly trim a tiny bit of the massive expansion...

    If a private sector accountant tried to fudge numbers like that he or she would be arrested.


    For another laugh, get this: "$200 billion in better tax revenue collection"....

    He has been in office 4 years, why didnt he get "better" collection already? Sounds like an excuse to hire tens of thousands of new IRS agents to harass citizens.

    And $50 billion in stimulus...worked great in 2009 and '10, huh? Guess his crooked unions ordered him to hand over more public boodle...



    Actually, it worked quite well; otherwise we may have had an economy to rival the '30s.

     
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    The President's counter-proposal include:

    • $1.2 trillion in new income tax revenuewith a 39.6 percent (up from 35 percent) on income of $400,000 or more.
    • $1.2 trillion in spending cutsdivided this way: $800 billion in cuts; $290 billion in interest savings due to lower deficits; $130 billion in cost-of-living adjustments - - with specific protections to preserve increases for economically disadvantaged beneficiaries. Because changing cost-of-living adjustments would also affect where people fell in various tax brackets, this move would raise $90 billion
    • The $800 billion in cuts would come from $400 billion in savings to health care entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid; $200 billion in better tax revenue collection, increased financial transaction fees and reduced federal employee benefits.
    • $200 billion in domestic discretionary -- annual spending on basic government functions - divided equally between defense and non-defense programs.
    • At least $50 billion devoted next year to infrastructure spending and more in latter years - figures still subject to negotiation.
    • A one-year extension of unemployment insurance benefits.

    The President is not proposing to cut spending. He’s only proposing to reduce future spending growth . In other words, his “spending cut” is only a cut if you play the dishonest DC game of measuring “cuts” against a baseline of ever-expanding government.

    Same as the phony numbers on Obamacare. Raise taxes immediately, then in year 9 of a mythical 10 year budget you supposedly trim a tiny bit of the massive expansion...

    If a private sector accountant tried to fudge numbers like that he or she would be arrested.


    For another laugh, get this: "$200 billion in better tax revenue collection"....

    He has been in office 4 years, why didnt he get "better" collection already? Sounds like an excuse to hire tens of thousands of new IRS agents to harass citizens.

    And $50 billion in stimulus...worked great in 2009 and '10, huh? Guess his crooked unions ordered him to hand over more public boodle...



    Actually, it worked quite well; otherwise we may have had an economy to rival the '30s.


    Worked well on Planet Moonbat. Otherwise, it was the worst recovery from a recession in 70 years...the  private sector always managed though efficiency and hard work  to climb back even better from recessions   ...the Reagan recovery created 20 million jobs...the statist Obama policies created zero net jobs , decimated the private sector; the only winner is their God of Government. More government dependents.

     
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    Don't worry righties Nancy Pelosi will bail your dysfunctional party out !

    You guys should just hang your heads in shame and get your incompetent @sses out of the way and the Democrats will show you how to govern.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

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    The President's counter-proposal include:

    • $1.2 trillion in new income tax revenuewith a 39.6 percent (up from 35 percent) on income of $400,000 or more.
    • $1.2 trillion in spending cutsdivided this way: $800 billion in cuts; $290 billion in interest savings due to lower deficits; $130 billion in cost-of-living adjustments - - with specific protections to preserve increases for economically disadvantaged beneficiaries. Because changing cost-of-living adjustments would also affect where people fell in various tax brackets, this move would raise $90 billion
    • The $800 billion in cuts would come from $400 billion in savings to health care entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid; $200 billion in better tax revenue collection, increased financial transaction fees and reduced federal employee benefits.
    • $200 billion in domestic discretionary -- annual spending on basic government functions - divided equally between defense and non-defense programs.
    • At least $50 billion devoted next year to infrastructure spending and more in latter years - figures still subject to negotiation.
    • A one-year extension of unemployment insurance benefits.

    The President is not proposing to cut spending. He’s only proposing to reduce future spending growth . In other words, his â€ÂÂœspending cut” is only a cut if you play the dishonest DC game of measuring â€ÂÂœcuts” against a baseline of ever-expanding government.

    Same as the phony numbers on Obamacare. Raise taxes immediately, then in year 9 of a mythical 10 year budget you supposedly trim a tiny bit of the massive expansion...

    If a private sector accountant tried to fudge numbers like that he or she would be arrested.


    For another laugh, get this: "$200 billion in better tax revenue collection"....

    He has been in office 4 years, why didnt he get "better" collection already? Sounds like an excuse to hire tens of thousands of new IRS agents to harass citizens.

    And $50 billion in stimulus...worked great in 2009 and '10, huh? Guess his crooked unions ordered him to hand over more public boodle...



    Actually, it worked quite well; otherwise we may have had an economy to rival the '30s.


    Worked well on Planet Moonbat. Otherwise, it was the worst recovery from a recession in 70 years...the  private sector always managed though efficiency and hard work  to climb back even better from recessions   ...the Reagan recovery created 20 million jobs...the statist Obama policies created zero net jobs , decimated the private sector; the only winner is their God of Government. More government dependents.



    Crackers wants the economy to crash and burn so the true conservatives can rise from the ashes to rule on behalf of the volk.

     
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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

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    So according to tvoter's rants, the whacko wingnuts can't and won't compromise, because they won't pass a bill, even within their own caucus.

    This is right up there with ole Droopy-dawg McConnell filibustering himself.

    The whacko wingnuts are epic failures.

    Yet all you hear from the wingnuts on these boards are it's the Dems fault.

    Well wingnuts, let's hear your pathetic excuses on this one.

     

    Republicans failed to muster enough support for their own plan to avoid the "fiscal cliff" by extending tax rates for all but those making $1 million a year or more.

    Speaker John A. Boehner said in a statement. "Now it is up to the president to work with Senator Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/20/boehner-republicans-fiscal-cliff/1782213/

     

    Did Bonner just take himself and the wingnuts out of the fiscal cliff negotiations with his statement of abject failure?



    The republicans couldn't even pass their own bill. How pathetic is that? The gun-nut republicans are willing to throw America under the bus just to save the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%.




    SAY IT AGAIN!.... " THE REPUBLICANS ARE WILLING TO THROW AMERICA UNDER THE BUS....JUST TO SAVE THE BUSH ERA TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHIEST 2%.".

     
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    Worked well on Planet Moonbat. Otherwise, it was the worst recovery from a recession in 70 years...the  private sector always managed though efficiency and hard work  to climb back even better from recessions   ...the Reagan recovery created 20 million jobs...the statist Obama policies created zero net jobs , decimated the private sector; the only winner is their God of Government. More government dependents.




    You wingnuts are fvcking hilarious.

     

    So you freaking gnat-brained morons voted twice for a guy who enacted stimulus programs just because he was a whacko wingnut.

    If anyone else uses the exact same policy you fvcking idiots have amnesia and all of a sudden it's 'baaad'.

    Seriously just shut the FVCK UP already.

    You fvcking backward thinking, birdbrained idiots are the most sanctimonious, hypocritical bunch of absoluetly ignorant imbeciles, who can't even pass your own fvcking bills in the one chamber of Congress that you fvcking LOSERS have an overwhelming majority in.

    I'll tell ya, it takes a special type of fvcking idiot, who in the midst of one of the biggest meltdowns in political history, can try and blame anyone for anything.

     

    Seriously, you fvcking cretins need to just sit down and shut the fcuk up and let the adults run the country that you piecesofshit ran into the ditch the last time anyone let you near a majority.

     

     

     
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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

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    Worked well on Planet Moonbat. Otherwise, it was the worst recovery from a recession in 70 years...the  private sector always managed though efficiency and hard work  to climb back even better from recessions   ...the Reagan recovery created 20 million jobs...the statist Obama policies created zero net jobs , decimated the private sector; the only winner is their God of Government. More government dependents.




    You wingnuts are fvcking hilarious.

     

    So you freaking gnat-brained morons voted twice for a guy who enacted stimulus programs just because he was a whacko wingnut.

    If anyone else uses the exact same policy you fvcking idiots have amnesia and all of a sudden it's 'baaad'.

    Seriously just shut the FVCK UP already.

    You fvcking backward thinking, birdbrained idiots are the most sanctimonious, hypocritical bunch of absoluetly ignorant imbeciles who can't even pass your own fvcking bills in the one chamber of Congress that you fvcking LOSERS have an overwhelming majority.

    I'll tell ya, it takes a special type of fvcking idiot, who in the midst of one of the biggest meltdowns in political history, can try and blame anyone for anything.

     

    Seriously, you fvcking cretins need to just sit down and shut the fcuk up and let the adults run the country that you piecesofshit ran into the ditch the last time anyone let you near a majority.

     

     

     

    AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Isn't it fitting that the code-name for Boners failed legislation was "Plan B"

    As in... the same shorthand for the emergency contraceptive taken to stop an unwanted pregnancy.

    The same type of medicine that the wingnuts want to limit womens' access to.

     

    Oh, the freakin irony ......  You can't make this shiite up.

     
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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

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    Isn't it fitting that the code-name for Boners failed legislation was "Plan B"

    As in... the same shorthand for the emergency contraceptive taken to stop an unwanted pregnancy.

    The same type of medicine that the wingnuts want to limit womens' access to.

     

    Oh, the freakin irony ......  You can't make this shiite up.




    Speak for yourself.  I just don't want to pay for it.  That's what liberals want.

     
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    Worked well on Planet Moonbat. Otherwise, it was the worst recovery from a recession in 70 years...the  private sector always managed though efficiency and hard work  to climb back even better from recessions   ...the Reagan recovery created 20 million jobs...the statist Obama policies created zero net jobs , decimated the private sector; the only winner is their God of Government. More government dependents.




    You wingnuts are fvcking hilarious.

     

    So you freaking gnat-brained morons voted twice for a guy who enacted stimulus programs just because he was a whacko wingnut.

    If anyone else uses the exact same policy you fvcking idiots have amnesia and all of a sudden it's 'baaad'.

    Seriously just shut the FVCK UP already.

    You fvcking backward thinking, birdbrained idiots are the most sanctimonious, hypocritical bunch of absoluetly ignorant imbeciles, who can't even pass your own fvcking bills in the one chamber of Congress that you fvcking LOSERS have an overwhelming majority in.

    I'll tell ya, it takes a special type of fvcking idiot, who in the midst of one of the biggest meltdowns in political history, can try and blame anyone for anything.

     

    Seriously, you fvcking cretins need to just sit down and shut the fcuk up and let the adults run the country that you piecesofshit ran into the ditch the last time anyone let you near a majority.

     

     



    Angy, my Christmas wish for you is to get in touch with reality.  And to stop swearing.  It does not make your argument better, and it makes me think less of you.

     

    That, and for you to come to the realization that we can't borrow 40% of every dollar we spend via the Federal Government forever, no matter how much you want us to.

     
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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

    So you freaking gnat-brained morons voted twice for a guy who enacted stimulus programs just because he was a whacko wingnut.

    If anyone else uses the exact same policy you fvcking idiots have amnesia and all of a sudden it's 'baaad'.

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    Psst, that cuts both ways.  Bush was crucified by the left for stimulus, TARP, Bailouts, faith based initiatives and tax cuts.  ALL of which Bambi either did, extended or ramped WAY up, and suddely it was just fr1ggin cool!

    Duh

     
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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

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    So you freaking gnat-brained morons voted twice for a guy who enacted stimulus programs just because he was a whacko wingnut.

    If anyone else uses the exact same policy you fvcking idiots have amnesia and all of a sudden it's 'baaad'.

    -------------------------

    Psst, that cuts both ways.  Bush was crucified by the left for stimulus, TARP, Bailouts, faith based initiatives and tax cuts.  ALL of which Bambi either did, extended or ramped WAY up, and suddely it was just fr1ggin cool!




    Ummm, no, quite the opposite actually.

    The Dems were the only ones willing to work with baby-Bush to get TARP passed which saved the country from a complete meltdown.

    221 Dems voted for the bill 3 voted against.

    145 wingnuts voted against baby-Bushes plan and only 45 for it.

     

    The vote for the baby-Bush tax cuts was exactly the opposite.

    196 Dems voted against it, only 13 for it.

    220 wingnuts voted for it, zero against.

     

    Nice try though.

     

    And both prez's caught flack for the executive order on faith based initiatives.

     

     
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    Good call on TARP

    Good calling skipping bailouts, as the shrieks of corporate welfare rose.  "“Republicans say they don’t believe in government. Sure they do. They believe in government to help themselves and their powerful friends.” - Liz Warren.  And recall a gaggle of dems running ads claiming they voted against it.  The fact they weren't in congress to vote for or against it, not withstanding of course

    And if you have something showing the screams of unconstitutionality on Bambi's ramp up (500%) of Faith based initiatives, like the ACLU did, I'm all ears.

     

    Merry Christmas, BTW

     
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    The President's counter-proposal include:

    • $1.2 trillion in new income tax revenuewith a 39.6 percent (up from 35 percent) on income of $400,000 or more.
    • $1.2 trillion in spending cutsdivided this way: $800 billion in cuts; $290 billion in interest savings due to lower deficits; $130 billion in cost-of-living adjustments - - with specific protections to preserve increases for economically disadvantaged beneficiaries. Because changing cost-of-living adjustments would also affect where people fell in various tax brackets, this move would raise $90 billion
    • The $800 billion in cuts would come from $400 billion in savings to health care entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid; $200 billion in better tax revenue collection, increased financial transaction fees and reduced federal employee benefits.
    • $200 billion in domestic discretionary -- annual spending on basic government functions - divided equally between defense and non-defense programs.
    • At least $50 billion devoted next year to infrastructure spending and more in latter years - figures still subject to negotiation.
    • A one-year extension of unemployment insurance benefits.

    The President is not proposing to cut spending. He’s only proposing to reduce future spending growth . In other words, his “spending cut” is only a cut if you play the dishonest DC game of measuring “cuts” against a baseline of ever-expanding government.

    Same as the phony numbers on Obamacare. Raise taxes immediately, then in year 9 of a mythical 10 year budget you supposedly trim a tiny bit of the massive expansion...

    If a private sector accountant tried to fudge numbers like that he or she would be arrested.


    For another laugh, get this: "$200 billion in better tax revenue collection"....

    He has been in office 4 years, why didnt he get "better" collection already? Sounds like an excuse to hire tens of thousands of new IRS agents to harass citizens.

    And $50 billion in stimulus...worked great in 2009 and '10, huh? Guess his crooked unions ordered him to hand over more public boodle...



    Actually, it worked quite well; otherwise we may have had an economy to rival the '30s.



    You must be a government employee of some sort to think the multiple stimulus did anything, let alone "did well".

    Our economy remains in peril, and the unemployment has been going on so long that people are dying off rather than re-enter the work force.

     
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    Re: The wingnuts fail... again. They can't even pass their own

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    Good call on TARP Good calling skipping bailouts, as the shrieks of corporate welfare rose.  "“Republicans say they don’t believe in government. Sure they do. They believe in government to help themselves and their powerful friends.” - Liz Warren.  And recall a gaggle of dems running ads claiming they voted against it.  The fact they weren't in congress to vote for or against it, not withstanding of course And if you have something showing the screams of unconstitutionality on Bambi's ramp up (500%) of Faith based initiatives, like the ACLU did, I'm all ears. Merry Christmas, BTW




    Merry Christmas Greg. Hope the family is happy and well.

     

     

    ACLU:

    Christopher Anders, ACLU Senior Legislative Counsel:

    "While the current administration inherited deeply flawed faith-based policies from the Bush administration, it is very troubling that a year later, those policies are still in effect. Not even one word of the Bush-era faith-based initiative has changed. The current White House also created an often secretive government advisory committee that includes clergy who have a clear financial stake in the continuation of Bush-era policies. It's time the administration clearly defines the line between religion and government and corrects the bad policies it inherited. The government has no business using taxpayer dollars to fund religious discrimination by religious organizations that are unwilling to play by the same rules that apply to everyone else providing federal services to Americans in need."  

    Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU's Washington legislative office, had this to say in a statement:

    WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama announced today that he is taking the unprecedented and troubling step of forming a federal advisory committee to be made up mostly of religious leaders. Also of great concern, President Obama will increase federal funds going to religious organizations without first changing the Bush-era rules allowing federally-funded religious organizations to apply religious hiring tests to employees.

    "President Obama launched his faith-based initiative today by heading into uncharted and dangerous waters," said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "What we are seeing today is significant - a president giving his favored clergy a governmental stamp of approval. There is no historical precedent for presidential meddling in religion - or religious leaders meddling in federal policy - through a formal government advisory committee made up mostly of the president's chosen religious leaders."

     
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