Re: There Is No Debate About
posted at 12/3/2012 3:34 PM EST
In response to WhichOnesPink2's comment:
In response to MattyScornD's comment:
In response to skeeter20's comment:
You logic has a hole in it. Of course man has an impact. Cows have about ten times the impact. So, I suggest you get the cows to all sign an anti-flatuence pledge first, then I'm all ears.
The problem breaks down to, in part: a) the consumption habits of people who eat the cow meat and b) the climate damage from the feed lots where the cows are kept.
So right now, what can we do (besides not breathe?) to lessen the impact of our consumption "habits"? What can we do now? We still need to heat our homes in winter and cool them in the summer. And saying things like car pooling is a joke because it's not realistic for majority of people. Same goes for walking to work, biking to work or taking public transportation. Those who can walk, bike or take public transportation already do...i.e. people who live and work in or just outside of cities like Boston, NY, Chicago, etc. for example.
Sure the govt can lower emissions but that won't have immediate affect. Plus we're not the only ones who drive. How about India and China?
What should be done with the feed lots to lessen the damage?
I'm all for hearing solutions but all I ever hear are things that won't have immediate impact. This of course doesn't mean we shouldn't do them, but if it's as dire as I keep reading about then we need changes NOW.
Those are a lot of different questions with different answers.
As you've mentioned viz. another social issue (obesity), information is the first step. We have to acknowledge the situation before we can adapt as a species.
This means giving no quarter to the propagandists who insist that the earth "will right itself" and no action is necessary. (Maybe it will...but if so, it will be without Us.)
Then, it's important to understand the connections to everything we do, whether it's driving a car, eating meat, heating our homes, etc. The individual things we can do are indeed very small, but that just means there's less of an excuse for doing it in the first place.
Re: obesity...it's like everyone who needs to lose weight loses 5 punds all at once and keeps it off. The end-toll of health care savings would be enormous. Conservation is like that, IMO.
(On public transportation, I present L.A. 8 million people and next to no public transport. Lots of cities need it but don't have it; very few have it and don't use it.)