They just can't leave abortion alone.

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    What's even more peculiar, to me, is that many of these anti-choice groups also oppose comprehensive sex education and/or contraception services for young adults.

    Talk burning the candle at both ends...

     

    This despite the real fact that the abortion opponents have mostly won.  Abortion rates are at their lowest in decades.  If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

     

    Further, it was encouraging to hear tee partee and anti-choice darling Rand Paul state there were "thousands of exceptions" to consider when debating public abortion policies and that "every case is different".  By some counts, this would make him a 'squishy' republican.

     

     

     

     
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    What's even more peculiar, to me, is that many of these anti-choice groups also oppose comprehensive sex education and/or contraception services for young adults.

    Talk burning the candle at both ends...

     

    This despite the real fact that the abortion opponents have mostly won.  Abortion rates are at their lowest in decades.  If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

     

    Further, it was encouraging to hear tee partee and anti-choice darling Rand Paul state there were "thousands of exceptions" to consider when debating public abortion policies and that "every case is different".  By some counts, this would make him a 'squishy' republican.

     

     

     



    But that is not their goal.

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

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    What's even more peculiar, to me, is that many of these anti-choice groups also oppose comprehensive sex education and/or contraception services for young adults.

    Talk burning the candle at both ends...

     

    This despite the real fact that the abortion opponents have mostly won.  Abortion rates are at their lowest in decades.  If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

     

    Further, it was encouraging to hear tee partee and anti-choice darling Rand Paul state there were "thousands of exceptions" to consider when debating public abortion policies and that "every case is different".  By some counts, this would make him a 'squishy' republican.

     

     

     



    Europe provides uncensored sex education and promotes condom use. European youth have fewer sex partners than Americans do and begin sex slightly later than Americans. They don't teach abstinence programs in Europe because it's considered to be child abuse.

    The U.S. has the highest teen birth rate among 28 developed countries. 52 American teens per 100,000, compared with less than 10 per 100,000 teenage girls in Korea, Japan, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden.

    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.

    And Europe has lower abortions rates. Roughly 21 abortions per 1,000 women in the U.S., while Europe averages about 12 per 1,000.

     

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

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     If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

    But that is not their goal.

     



    Agreed that's a rather big "if".

     

     
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    What's even more peculiar, to me, is that many of these anti-choice groups also oppose comprehensive sex education and/or contraception services for young adults.

    Talk burning the candle at both ends...

     

    This despite the real fact that the abortion opponents have mostly won.  Abortion rates are at their lowest in decades.  If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

     

    Further, it was encouraging to hear tee partee and anti-choice darling Rand Paul state there were "thousands of exceptions" to consider when debating public abortion policies and that "every case is different".  By some counts, this would make him a 'squishy' republican.

     

     

     

     



     

    Europe provides uncensored sex education and promotes condom use. European youth have fewer sex partners than Americans do and begin sex slightly later than Americans. They don't teach abstinence programs in Europe because it's considered to be child abuse.

    The U.S. has the highest teen birth rate among 28 developed countries. 52 American teens per 100,000, compared with less than 10 per 100,000 teenage girls in Korea, Japan, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden.

    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.

    And Europe has lower abortions rates. Roughly 21 abortions per 1,000 women in the U.S., while Europe averages about 12 per 1,000.

     



    Conservatives know we are "better" than those socialist nations you reference.  Nothing to learn from them.  American Exceptionalism always prevails.

     
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    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.


    The same places with sub-standard health care accessibility in general and a demonstrated hostility to women's health service organizations.

    Imagine that...

     

     
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    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.

     

    What year is this stat from? Could you post the link?

     




     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

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    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.

     

    What year is this stat from? Could you post the link?

     

     

     

    The stats are per 1000, not 100,000.  This link has recent numbers. 

    http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=37&cat=2 

     
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     "government takeover of a medical procedure"

    Pro-abortion zealots consider licensing requirements for this dangerous surgery to be "impinging on constitutional rights"... and routine ultrasounds to determine the age of the fetus are "government vaginal probes"...

    Here is the predictable result:

    "Today is the second day in the trial of Kermit Gosnell, the infamous Philadelphia abortionist charged with murdering seven newborn babies and one young woman in a botched abortion due to overdose of anesthesia. Gosnell killed the babies with scissors after they had been born – and he wasn’t the only one.

    Adrienne Moton, a former employee of Gosnell, testified for the prosecution. CBS Philadelphia reported her testimony:  

    "Adrienne Moton broke down several times as she recounted her work at the clinic.

    Untrained, she says, she was doing ultrasounds and administering anesthesia within months.  And eventually, she has admitted, she snipped the necks of ‘a good ten’ fetuses.”

    Police found $250,000 when they raided Gosnell’s home – and for those who can stomach it, the 281-page Grand Jury report lays out just how Gosnell “gave back” to the women of West Philadelphia:

    The premises were dirty and unsanitary. Gosnell routinely relied on unlicensed and untrained staff to treat patients, conduct medical tests, and administer medications without supervision. Even more alarmingly, Gosnell instructed unlicensed workers to sedate patients with dangerous drugs in his absence... In addition, he regularly performed abortions beyond the 24-week limit prescribed by law. As a result, viable babies were born. Gosnell killed them by plunging scissors into their spinal cords. He taught his staff to do the same.

    This trial begs the question: where was the Pennsylvania Department of Health? According to the Grand Jury report, Gosnell’s clinic had not been inspected for more than 17 years.

    After 1993…the Pennsylvania Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion clinics at all. The politics in question were not anti-abortion, but pro. With the change of administration from Governor Casey to Governor Ridge, officials concluded that inspections would be “putting a barrier up to women” seeking abortions.

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

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     "government takeover of a medical procedure"

    Pro-abortion zealots consider licensing requirements for this dangerous surgery to be "impinging on constitutional rights"... and routine ultrasounds to determine the age of the fetus are "government vaginal probes"...

    Here is the predictable result:

    "Today is the second day in the trial of Kermit Gosnell, the infamous Philadelphia abortionist charged with murdering seven newborn babies and one young woman in a botched abortion due to overdose of anesthesia. Gosnell killed the babies with scissors after they had been born – and he wasn’t the only one.

    Adrienne Moton, a former employee of Gosnell, testified for the prosecution. CBS Philadelphia reported her testimony:  

    "Adrienne Moton broke down several times as she recounted her work at the clinic.

    Untrained, she says, she was doing ultrasounds and administering anesthesia within months.  And eventually, she has admitted, she snipped the necks of ‘a good ten’ fetuses.”

    Police found $250,000 when they raided Gosnell’s home – and for those who can stomach it, the 281-page Grand Jury report lays out just how Gosnell “gave back” to the women of West Philadelphia:

    The premises were dirty and unsanitary. Gosnell routinely relied on unlicensed and untrained staff to treat patients, conduct medical tests, and administer medications without supervision. Even more alarmingly, Gosnell instructed unlicensed workers to sedate patients with dangerous drugs in his absence... In addition, he regularly performed abortions beyond the 24-week limit prescribed by law. As a result, viable babies were born. Gosnell killed them by plunging scissors into their spinal cords. He taught his staff to do the same.

    This trial begs the question: where was the Pennsylvania Department of Health? According to the Grand Jury report, Gosnell’s clinic had not been inspected for more than 17 years.

    After 1993…the Pennsylvania Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion clinics at all. The politics in question were not anti-abortion, but pro. With the change of administration from Governor Casey to Governor Ridge, officials concluded that inspections would be “putting a barrier up to women” seeking abortions.



    Stupid posting that only appeals to unthinking zealots.

    No one is "pro-abortion" as in advocating for more procedures than those that people choose within the law.  Saying otherwise is simply obnoxious.  But you don't care.  

    And Gosnell's actions are not the "predictable result" of the current state of abortion protections.  He may have broken the law.  If he broke the law he should be punished for his actions.  There is no cause and effect relationship between having a law or right and breaking a law based on that right.  Otherwise all laws/rights would be in jeopardy as "causing" criminality and we should live without law or rights at all. Your premise is simply absurd.

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

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    But why do you object? Because it has to do with abortion. Otherwise you are all for the government intruding into health care and trampling the Constitution.

     



    Examples, please.

    And no, the ACA is not one, although you might think it is.

     

    Maybe a better analogy would be assisted suicide policies.

    Or the death penalty. (That's a BIG govt intrusion into health care.)

     

     

     

     
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    Yikes...it seems we get closer and closer to Oz every day!

     
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    Kansas is trying to pass yet another one of these misinfo chill-the-right bills.

    http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2253_01_0000.pdf

    One of its provisions requires doctors to tell patients about a linke between abortion and breast cancer. Trouble is, there is no such link.

    Yes. Let's have:

    (1) government intrusion into individual rights;

    (2) government takeover of a medical procedure;

    (3) government requiring false information to be told to patients within the context of the procedure;

    (4) in order to trample on the constitution.

    Genuine conservatives would object because this would seem to violate any number of those things they claim to hold sacred.

    "The Kansas bill also defines life as beginning at fertilization, bans abortion providers from tax exemptions, excludes the cost of abortion services from tax deductions for medical expenses, and prohibits abortion providers from giving materials to instructors of sex education classes. That last provision, as the Associated Press explains, was revised after opponents argued that the language was broad enough to ban parents who work for abortion providers (or doctors who perform the procedure themselves) from volunteering in schools."

    And here we see more shenanigans true conservatives oppose:

    (5) playing favorites with the tax code;

    (6) government interference with education.

    Of course, the first bit was the whopper: defining life as beginning at fertilization. Kansas can define life however it wants, but it can't put that into direct practice in regards to abortion because of Roe. But, there are other problems. If your state has codified a declaration that a single fertilized cell is a human life, you have created a whole new host of problems.

    If a woman has a glass of wine, this is endangering a child, etc.

    If a woman has a miscarriage, then the state will need to launch a homicide investigation.
     Because that was a human who died.

    And so on. Once you've declared that a fertizlied egg is a human life, you have to treat that egg like any other fully grown adult, and you have to go after the person responsible for it for any bad things that happen to it, just as if it were a child.

    Of course, if the state doesn't follow its declaration that life = a fertilized egg to such logical ends, we will know they are lying swine, in addition to being constitution-hating false conservative old-book thumpers. Well we probably know that already, but hey. Benefit of the doubt and all.

     

     

     

    Now. Let us open the queue to claims that I am trying to distract BDC conservatives from the economy by posting about something else on this obscure internet backwater, in order to protect Obama from the wrath of their rather limited ranks....     

     

        




    Funny.  Abortion, all about individual rights.  Obamqacre for the rest of us?  Sc3w  individual rights.

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

    In response to UserName99's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    What's even more peculiar, to me, is that many of these anti-choice groups also oppose comprehensive sex education and/or contraception services for young adults.

    Talk burning the candle at both ends...

     

    This despite the real fact that the abortion opponents have mostly won.  Abortion rates are at their lowest in decades.  If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

     

    Further, it was encouraging to hear tee partee and anti-choice darling Rand Paul state there were "thousands of exceptions" to consider when debating public abortion policies and that "every case is different".  By some counts, this would make him a 'squishy' republican.

     

     

     

     



     

    Europe provides uncensored sex education and promotes condom use. European youth have fewer sex partners than Americans do and begin sex slightly later than Americans. They don't teach abstinence programs in Europe because it's considered to be child abuse.

    The U.S. has the highest teen birth rate among 28 developed countries. 52 American teens per 100,000, compared with less than 10 per 100,000 teenage girls in Korea, Japan, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden.

    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.

    And Europe has lower abortions rates. Roughly 21 abortions per 1,000 women in the U.S., while Europe averages about 12 per 1,000.

     




    teaching abstinence is child abuse?

     

    Now I've heard everything.

     
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    Now. Let us open the queue to claims that I am trying to distract BDC conservatives from the economy by posting about something else on this obscure internet backwater, in order to protect Obama from the wrath of their rather limited ranks....     

     

        



    The problem, sir, is that when you use the term "the Left," BDC Conservatives you necessarily include everyone you have identified as being "the LeftBDC Conservatives 

     

    So unless you specify which lefties BDC Conservatives you are referring to, or specific that you are only speaking of some lefties BDC Conservatives whose names you do not recall....       you are saying that we did whatever you accuse "the Left" BDC Conservatives of.

    This is simply the way English works.

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

     

    Kansas is trying to pass yet another one of these misinfo chill-the-right bills.

    http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2253_01_0000.pdf

    One of its provisions requires doctors to tell patients about a linke between abortion and breast cancer. Trouble is, there is no such link.

    Yes. Let's have:

    (1) government intrusion into individual rights;

    (2) government takeover of a medical procedure;

    (3) government requiring false information to be told to patients within the context of the procedure;

    (4) in order to trample on the constitution.

    Genuine conservatives would object because this would seem to violate any number of those things they claim to hold sacred.

    "The Kansas bill also defines life as beginning at fertilization, bans abortion providers from tax exemptions, excludes the cost of abortion services from tax deductions for medical expenses, and prohibits abortion providers from giving materials to instructors of sex education classes. That last provision, as the Associated Press explains, was revised after opponents argued that the language was broad enough to ban parents who work for abortion providers (or doctors who perform the procedure themselves) from volunteering in schools."

    And here we see more shenanigans true conservatives oppose:

    (5) playing favorites with the tax code;

    (6) government interference with education.

    Of course, the first bit was the whopper: defining life as beginning at fertilization. Kansas can define life however it wants, but it can't put that into direct practice in regards to abortion because of Roe. But, there are other problems. If your state has codified a declaration that a single fertilized cell is a human life, you have created a whole new host of problems.

    If a woman has a glass of wine, this is endangering a child, etc.

    If a woman has a miscarriage, then the state will need to launch a homicide investigation.
     Because that was a human who died.

    And so on. Once you've declared that a fertizlied egg is a human life, you have to treat that egg like any other fully grown adult, and you have to go after the person responsible for it for any bad things that happen to it, just as if it were a child.

    Of course, if the state doesn't follow its declaration that life = a fertilized egg to such logical ends, we will know they are lying swine, in addition to being constitution-hating false conservative old-book thumpers. Well we probably know that already, but hey. Benefit of the doubt and all.

     

     

     

    Now. Let us open the queue to claims that I am trying to distract BDC conservatives from the economy by posting about something else on this obscure internet backwater, in order to protect Obama from the wrath of their rather limited ranks....     

     

        

     




     

    Funny.  Abortion, all about individual rights.  Obamqacre for the rest of us?  Sc3w  individual rights.



    Tell that to the people who have no access to healthcare without Obamacare.  A right in theory and not in practice is not much of a right.  And you haven't lost any rights under Obamacare, you still have choice of medical insurer/provider as much as previously.  Or are you one of the idiots who actually believes in the death panel myth?

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

    In response to skeeter20's comment:

    In response to UserName99's comment:

     

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    What's even more peculiar, to me, is that many of these anti-choice groups also oppose comprehensive sex education and/or contraception services for young adults.

    Talk burning the candle at both ends...

     

    This despite the real fact that the abortion opponents have mostly won.  Abortion rates are at their lowest in decades.  If the goal was fewer abortions, they have partly succeeded.

     

    Further, it was encouraging to hear tee partee and anti-choice darling Rand Paul state there were "thousands of exceptions" to consider when debating public abortion policies and that "every case is different".  By some counts, this would make him a 'squishy' republican.

     

     

     

     



     

    Europe provides uncensored sex education and promotes condom use. European youth have fewer sex partners than Americans do and begin sex slightly later than Americans. They don't teach abstinence programs in Europe because it's considered to be child abuse.

    The U.S. has the highest teen birth rate among 28 developed countries. 52 American teens per 100,000, compared with less than 10 per 100,000 teenage girls in Korea, Japan, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden.

    Although the U.S. rate is dropping, teen births in the Bible and Ignorance Belt remains high: 65 in Mississippi; 64 in Texas; 60 in Arkansas; and 58 per 100,000 in Georgia and Louisiana.

    And Europe has lower abortions rates. Roughly 21 abortions per 1,000 women in the U.S., while Europe averages about 12 per 1,000.

     

     




    teaching abstinence is child abuse?

     

     

    Now I've heard everything.



    This from the guy who thinks Hitler was a liberal...  You should appreciate such commentary not disparage it.

     
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    Re: They just can't leave abortion alone.

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    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    Nice spin



     

    The ordinary operation of the English language is "spin"?

    Well, if you must. I'm sure the village idiot never knew that everyone else was laughing at him, not with him....  



    facepalm

     
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