Top Secret Court Order for Verizon to turn over MILLIONS of phone records to the govt!

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    Top Secret Court Order for Verizon to turn over MILLIONS of phone records to the govt!

    "It's a program in which some untold number of innocent people have been put under the constant surveillance of government agents," Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU's deputy legal director, said.

    "It is beyond Orwellian, and it provides further evidence of the extent to which basic democratic rights are being surrendered in secret to the demands of unaccountable intelligence agencies."

     

    (CNN) -- The U.S. government has obtained a top secret court order that requires Verizon to turn over the telephone records of millions of Americans to the National Security Agency on an "ongoing daily basis," the UK-based Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday.

    The four-page order, which The Guardian published on its website, requires the communications giant to turn over "originating and terminating" telephone numbers as well as the location, time and duration of the calls. The order, published on the newspaper's website,does not requirethe contents of conversations to be turned over.

    CNN has so far been unable to independently verify the authenticity of the document.

    If genuine, the order gives the NSA blanket access to the records of millions of Verizon customers' domestic and foreign phone calls made between April 25, when the order was signed, and July 19, when it expires.

    Verizon spokesman Edward McFadden declined to comment on the report.

    According to the document published by The Guardian, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court Judge Roger Vinson signed a "Secondary Order" granting an FBI request for access to the records.

    The FBI did not respond to a CNN request for comment. The NSA told CNN said it will respond "as soon as we can."

    The order does not say why the request was made, but it bans the government and Verizon from making the contents public.

    "As far as we know, this order from the FISA court is the broadest surveillance order to ever have been issued: it requires no level of suspicion and applies to all Verizon subscribers anywhere in the U.S.," the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a statement released shortly after the story broke.

    "It also contains a gag order prohibiting Verizon from disclosing information about the order to anyone other than their counsel."

    Former Vice President Al Gore also criticized the move.

    "In the digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?" he said in a post on Twitter.

    The order is allowed under the Patriot Act, and it is not the first time such an action has been taken.

    In 2006, it was revealed that the NSA was secretly collecting telephone records as part of an effort to root out potential terror plots.

    Reacting to Wednesday's disclosure, the American Civil Liberties Union called for an immediate end to the order and a congressional investigation into the move.

    "It's a program in which some untold number of innocent people have been put under the constant surveillance of government agents," Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU's deputy legal director, said.

    "It is beyond Orwellian, and it provides further evidence of the extent to which basic democratic rights are being surrendered in secret to the demands of unaccountable intelligence agencies."

    The news about the Verizon order comes as the Obama administration is under fire following revelations that the Justice Department seized two months of telephone records of a number of Associated Press reporters and editors, saying the requests were part of an investigation into the leak of classified information.

     

     

     
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    I fully support hauling Pres. Obama, the head of the FBI, the FISA judge who signed this surveillance order in front of House and/or Senate to find out what the heck is going on here.


    This is how police states operate.

     
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    The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

     

     
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    Repeal the Patriot Act now.

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    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    Repeal the Patriot Act now.

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    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     



    Agreed....this is specifically the type of slippery slope that is created from such a law.  When it was created, those that opposed had their patriotism questioned and were told that this would never happen. 

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

     

    Repeal the Patriot Act now.

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    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

     

     



    Agreed....this is specifically the type of slippery slope that is created from such a law.  When it was created, those that opposed had their patriotism questioned and were told that this would never happen. 

     



    There weren't exactly too many who did oppose given how the votes went. 

     

     
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    In response to UserName99's comment:


    I fully support hauling Pres. Obama, the head of the FBI, the FISA judge who signed this surveillance order in front of House and/or Senate to find out what the heck is going on here.


    This is how police states operate.



    Amen.

     

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to UserName99's comment:

     


    I fully support hauling Pres. Obama, the head of the FBI, the FISA judge who signed this surveillance order in front of House and/or Senate to find out what the heck is going on here.


    This is how police states operate.

     




     



    Tounge-tied?  Or, just giving us the "What Would Obama Do?"  response?

     
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    See, heres' the thing:  The next Attorney General, Deval, says we don't have a right to Lt. Governor Tim Murray's cell phone records concerning his state-owned car wreck.  Obama 's minions claim we shouldn't be concerned about Obamaphones.

    Now, when it comes to the law-abiding citizen, the government needs out phone records in case we are doing something wrong.

    This is a police state. 

     
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    I like how the press is outraged about this now, when the mechanism to do this has existed for YEARS.  As Saxby Chambliss said:

    “This is nothing particularly new, this has been going on for seven years under the auspices of the FISA authority, and every member of the United States Senate has been advised of this.”

    Don't like it?  Repeal the Patriot Act.  Simple. 

     
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    Obama and Holder would never abuse their power and misuse this information.  I have no problem with it.  I trust them.  (I don't have verizon)

     
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    In response to macnh1's comment:

    Obama and Holder would never abuse their power and misuse this information.  I have no problem with it.  I trust them.  (I don't have verizon)



    Do you think it stops at Verizon?

     
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    Hmmm, Funny how the wingnuts used to love this kind of warrantless searches... Remember their writing and vigorously defending the AZ "your papers" law allowing police to stop people  for no other reason because of skin color?

    Now the wingnuts find out that "Hey this could be happening to me" and they have a come-to-jesus moment on the constitutionality of it all.

    Nothing focuses an idiots mind like a healthy dose of me-to reality.



    How could you know that? Aren't you "new" here??? Hahahahahaha

     
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    Careful what you say or text Verizon users. They will single you out if they don't like you, get you email address and watch what your blogging here and elsewhere. Just might target you as a "non-friendly".

    Any of this sound familiar. The big reach of the Obama government!!! I'm sure Carney will come out and say that The President first heard of this in the papers and the news.

    Slowly becoming "The Peoples Republic Of The United States".   

     
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    warrantless wire tapping of a phones of people or groups of people and turning the info over to a judge afterwards to show justification is one thing.

    Confiscating millions of random citizens conversations and fishing for things that may be used against them is a totally different animal!

     

     
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    The order, signed by Judge Roger Vinson of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in April, directs a Verizon Communications subsidiary, Verizon Business Network Services, to turn over “on an ongoing daily basis” to the National Security Agency all call logs “between the United States and abroad” or “wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”

    The order does not apply to the content of the communications.

     
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    The same act that the wingnuts happily wrote into law while questioning the patriotism of anyone so bold enough to question the constitutionality of it all.




    warrantless wire tapping of a phones of people or groups of people and turning the info over to a judge afterwards to show justification is one thing.

    Confiscating millions of random citizens conversations and fishing for things that may be used against them is a totally different animal!

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

     

     

    The same act that the wingnuts happily wrote into law while questioning the patriotism of anyone so bold enough to question the constitutionality of it all.

     

     




    warrantless wire tapping of a phones of people or groups of people and turning the info over to a judge afterwards to show justification is one thing.

     

     

    Confiscating millions of random citizens conversations and fishing for things that may be used against them is a totally different animal!

     




    Well then blame the Patriot Act, not the current administration.

     



    Um...just because then can doesn't mean they should. So blame should be put on those doing the actually gathering of data. 

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:

     

     

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

     

     

    The same act that the wingnuts happily wrote into law while questioning the patriotism of anyone so bold enough to question the constitutionality of it all.

     

     




    warrantless wire tapping of a phones of people or groups of people and turning the info over to a judge afterwards to show justification is one thing.

     

     

    Confiscating millions of random citizens conversations and fishing for things that may be used against them is a totally different animal!

     

     




    Well then blame the Patriot Act, not the current administration.

     

    Being ignorant of what the wingnut-led Congress passed in 2001 is no excuse to blindly attack whomever you don't like politically.

     



    98-1 vote in Senate

    357-66 vote in House

    Your "wingnut-led" argument doesn't hold much water. 

     
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    98-1 vote in Senate

    357-66 vote in House

    Your "wingnut-led" argument doesn't hold much water. 



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